"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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"We probably won't meet again"

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Good evening fellas,

I have been trying to figure out the psychology of the statement "we probably won't see each other again // we will probably forget about each other" I've heard on the past 3 consecutive hookups.

This is a statement I've received from 3 different women in very different situations (first date early into coffee despite clear attraction signs and later hooking up and also twice and on the first night meet before/after sex).

In these 3 situations I have been in the Alpha position, I have never heard it if I've been in more of a beta role when hooking up. I'm still learning proper use of terminology.. Recently redpilled, I've swallowed the redpill and it's causing a lot of indigestion but I know it will soon reach my blood stream and assimilate into my being.

Anyway due to my bluepill conditioning thinking "oh this girl will surely want some happy forever after **** now that we have hooked up" and reluctantly admiting even having some of those feelings myself this statement has caught me off guard and I usually spurt out some "we'll keep in touch" (me thinking she wants reassurance and simply being agreeable/weak) nonsense.

Is this simply a **** test or what? Is there any logic behind it on their end? I'm assuming an appropriate pass would be something like "hopefully not" or "I think you're right".

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“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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This is something you are wasting your time with, I can tell you.

Maybe they didn't like the sex, maybe they have feelings for an ex and regret having sex with you, maybe they saw a dinosaur in their dreams that told them they should not hook up with you anymore. Who cares?

"Maybe we won't meet again after this" you answer with "Yeah, that's OK. As you please."
 

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Who cares what it is? do you want to see them again or not? if not, just say "yea who knows" and move on. If yes, say you'll keep in touch.
 

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Do you ever ask why they would say that? I've been told that before and turns out the girl said that because she could see herself falling for me. That lead into another conversation.
 

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I would say I don't care that much, but that's not very convincing considering I made an account to ask about it. I'm genuinly curious in the mindset behind it for one, I found it especially curious that it's something I had never heard until I started hooking up from an Alpha position.

But you're all right I'm making it more complicated than it needs to be, I do forget I can drop the facade and just ask. Next time; "yeah probably not, but what makes you say that?"
 
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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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I would say I don't care that much, but that's not very convincing considering I made an account to ask about it. I'm genuinly curious in the mindset behind it for one, I found it especially curious that it's something I had never heard until I started hooking up from an Alpha position.

But you're all right I'm making it more complicated than it needs to be, I do forget I can drop the facade and just ask. Next time; "yeah probably not, but what makes you say that?"
"What makes you say that?" is asking for her validation. It hurts you.

"That's fine, I don't want to see someone who doesn't want to see me anyway"
 

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There are a thousand reasons why a chick would say to you "we probably won't meet again". Literally a thousand.

It's a phrase designed to passively, hopefully, elicit a deeper conversation where she might express how she is feeling. When tossed casually like that, its designed to keep her from being vulnerable by starting that conversation herself, and possibly having her feelings/herself rejected.
 

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"That's fine, I don't want to see someone who doesn't want to see me anyway"
Hmm I can't picture myself saying that, it seems defensive.

Everytime it's been said to me it's been as a mid-conversation footnote "ohh that's funny, ohwell not like we'll be seeing each other again anyway hahaha" rather than an out right statement "we're not going to be seeing each other again mate".
 

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There are a thousand reasons why a chick would say to you "we probably won't meet again". Literally a thousand.

It's a phrase designed to passively, hopefully, elicit a deeper conversation where she might express how she is feeling. When tossed casually like that, its designed to keep her from being vulnerable by starting that conversation herself, and possibly having her feelings/herself rejected.
When I read that it feels like it maps the situation properly..
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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"Everyone has a game. Everyone thinks they're alpha in their own way. Even the worst doormat nice guy, hammered flat by women for a lifetime, thinks his supplications or 'Cap'n save a ho' mindset is the best way to win a woman's intimacy. He's invested in thinking he's unique in his understanding of how best to arrive at sex with a woman".-Rollo

Simple solution. Don't worry about it when they do say that. IF they do end up not seeing you again, their loss.
 

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Hmm I can't picture myself saying that, it seems defensive.

Everytime it's been said to me it's been as a mid-conversation footnote "ohh that's funny, ohwell not like we'll be seeing each other again anyway hahaha" rather than an out right statement "we're not going to be seeing each other again mate".
It's not defensive. She said you all won't be seeing each other. You said "cool, if that's what you want to do."
 

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topic title = awesome line for a ONS (travel/hotel lounge/etc)

Alpha as fvck
 

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HB: We probably won’t see each other again.
LL: I was thinking that same thing. Take care.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Just after my initial post I picked up The Rational Male, I finished it yesterday. I can't believe how much my perspective has shifted in 2 weeks, it's really one of the most dramatic shifts in mindset I've ever experienced. Now I see how useless and counterproductive it is to sweat the small stuff like this, even if it is for the purpose of genuine understanding; I'm on board with you on that one Espi - even if my actions and subconscious hasn't caught up.

I can't believe the difference in responses I've been getting from small interactions with women in public just this past week, the only thing that's changed is I'm forcing myself to not be hyper-agreeable. Here I was thinking you have to be a woman's counselor all these years lmao.
 

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Just after my initial post I picked up The Rational Male, I finished it yesterday. I can't believe how much my perspective has shifted in 2 weeks, it's really one of the most dramatic shifts in mindset I've ever experienced. Now I see how useless and counterproductive it is to sweat the small stuff like this, even if it is for the purpose of genuine understanding; I'm on board with you on that one Espi - even if my actions and subconscious hasn't caught up.

I can't believe the difference in responses I've been getting from small interactions with women in public just this past week, the only thing that's changed is I'm forcing myself to not be hyper-agreeable. Here I was thinking you have to be a woman's counselor all these years lmao.
Dude I did best when I didn't pay much attention and only processed 30-50% of what they were saying. I was focused on my desires and my lady wanted to please me. Those where the days a husband could fvck his wife nightly.
 
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