Oh brother, now there will be male cheerleaders in the NFL!

[Spaz]

Sorry, but it doesn’t work that way. The more pussified society becomes, the less welcome masculinity will be and the harder it will be for us to embrace our true selves.

^This is what I disagree.

Masculinity will be a rare commodity and thus will be in demand by women.

It is actually in demand.

Women r just reacting to the absence of masculine men by taking up some of those traits.

Women will be at their happiest when they are feminine. The same applies to men.

As such masculinity will be most welcome by women and likely despised by metrosexuals (sensitive men, men in touch with their femininity etc).

The "society" which you speak of that would not welcome masculinity is actually men. Men who are gentled.

 

[guru1000]

I'm saying it will create a greater cognitive dissonance amongst women. It has nothing to do with age, and everything to do with social understanding. You seem to lack that...

Cognitive dissonance does not occur in biological wiring, only in the rational mind. Nothing changes as to what women are sexually attracted to.

Masculine men will be more in demand as the supply dwindles. Not good news for you toddler, that is a "man" with the social understanding of a 19-year old.

 

[Dingo]

 

[zekko]

Remember Mac, the knee-jerk disgust that we get from watching this video are incited by our previous social indoctrination and constructs.

Legislation cannot change our masculinity nor change what feminine women are biologically attracted to.

If women are biologically attracted to our masculinity, then isn't it likely that our "knee-jerk disgust" is also innate? What we see as masculine behavior has been developed over thousands of years. This social pressure to accept mixed gender behaviors has only sprung up in the last 50 years or so.

Homosexuality has been accepted by some cultures historically, but I don't know if that incorporated feminine behaviors or not. In any case, those incidences are overall the exception rather than the rule.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

^This is what I disagree.

Masculinity will be a rare commodity and thus will be in demand by women.

It is actually in demand.

Women r just reacting to the absence of masculine men by taking up some of those traits.

Women will be at their happiest when they are feminine. The same applies to men.

As such masculinity will be most welcome by women and likely despised by metrosexuals (sensitive men, men in touch with their femininity etc).

The "society" which you speak of that would not welcome masculinity is actually men. Men who are gentled.

What you did not understand is that should this continue to happen, criminality and masculinity will be considered the same. That’s why I said I don’t like it. To be masculine is to be criminal and vice versa. Sure there are crossovers, but they are still very different nonetheless. Society can’t see that as well as they used to. This is the problem.

Cognitive dissonance does not occur in biological wiring, only in the rational mind. Nothing changes as to what women are sexually attracted to.

Masculine men will be more in demand as the supply dwindles. Not good news for you toddler, that is a "man" with the social understanding of a 19-year old.

Umm, no. Attraction is not binary, especially not nowadays. Emotions and sensations can be mixed up. Excitement from fear and anxiety of a criminal will be the same as one from a guy she liked before. This isn’t anything new either. It was a huge thing before da dynamically got banned. You of all people should know better. Or perhaps you can’t, because of what happened before...

I do tend to notice that you have very selective biases based on your own mistakes. Or that you kinda ‘go back on your word’ simply because you’ve done the same thing before and seek to justify it. My social understanding is light years ahead of others, particularly because I’m young.

 

[Spaz]

What you did not understand is that should this continue to happen, criminality and masculinity will be considered the same. That’s why I said I don’t like it. To be masculine is to be criminal and vice versa. Sure there are crossovers, but they are still very different nonetheless. Society can’t see that as well as they used to. This is the problem.

Umm, no. Attraction is not binary, especially not nowadays. Emotions and sensations can be mixed up. Excitement from fear and anxiety of a criminal will be the same as one from a guy she liked before. This isn’t anything new either. It was a huge thing before da dynamically got banned. You of all people should know better. Or perhaps you can’t, because of what happened before...

I do tend to notice that you have very selective biases based on your own mistakes. Or that you kinda ‘go back on your word’ simply because you’ve done the same thing before and seek to justify it. My social understanding is light years ahead of others, particularly because I’m young.

This could be an interesting discussion. Let's explore.

The decline of masculinity is perpetuated by the urbanisation of men, being raised by single mothers, being schooled by women, being thought by women what's manly etc.

With that said, a man who is naturally masculine but lacks mentorship of another man will likely be confused growing up and thus likely to have uncontrolled aggressive behaviour.

Perhaps you meant this when society would view masculinity in the same breath as criminality?

 

[guru1000]

If women are biologically attracted to our masculinity, then isn't it likely that our "knee-jerk disgust" is also innate?

In NYC, I see stuff like that everywhere I go. I have been socially conditioned to accept it (the "former"). Despite, my biological preference is strictly women and remains unchanged (the "latter"). The former changed, the latter did not. The former is a social construct which can change. The latter is biologically wired, which cannot change (among choice). .

Excitement from fear and anxiety of a criminal will be the same as one from a guy she liked before.
.

This is your argument, which is entirely irrelevant to the subject matter of, "Masculinity will be in higher biological demand by feminine women, as more men turn gay/effeminate."

As to your argument to Spaz, masculinity will not be criminal in the U.S, considering: In 2015, facing a circuit split, the Supreme Court resolved the question of whether state bans on gay marriage violated the Equal Protection and.or Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment. In Obergefell v Hodges, a five-member Court majority concluded that the bans did indeed violate both 14 Amendment provisions. Writing for the Court, Justice Kennedy said the Framers of the Constitution "did not presume to know the extent of freedom in all of its dimensions, and so they entrusted future generations a charter protecting the right of all persons to enjoy liberty as we learn its meaning." This includes the rights of all people, heterosexual/homosexual, masculine/effeminate.

The only argument left is the potential social stigma of masculinity.

 

[QuadDeuces]

I see it as good.
The more gays, trannies and cucks there are the more women for real men.

 

[AJ84]

It may seem gayish and probably is, but when you think about it, how many guys get to dance with hot women while watching live NFL games for free?

I could see an opportunistic straight guy with some dance moves taking advantage of this potential windfall lol.

 

[MoreThanSmooth]

I think one of the saddest things about this is that having ridiculously prance-y, camp, effeminate gay guys doing this isn't just annoying to straight men, but it damages the credibility of much more normal gay people too. It's actually encouraging homophobia by presenting the most abrasive gay stereotypes as "normal" when they really aren't.

The town I'm from is very liberal and has a large number of gay people. Some of them are outrageously camp and (IMO) irritating. I was at a bar with colleagues recently and one of the group was this type of guy, and after 1 beer he was CONSTANTLY shouting, wooping, singing, talking over people and even yelling at people across the road in a stereotypical "b*tchy" voice. I absolutely 100% wanted to tell him to shut the f*ck up, it was so f*cking annoying. Basically the kind of camp-to-the-max man that was dancing in this video but dialled even more to 11.

By contrast the majority of gay guys, however, are just pretty standard men who happen to like other men instead of women.

One of my friends who is gay absolutely hates guys that camp it up. If he watched this video he would puke like everyone else...but it's even worse for him, because he is being depicted as being like that.

Imagine every straight guy was depicted in the media as a brain-dead, gruff-voiced CONSTANTLY SHOUTING horndog who could do nothing but flex and try to f*ck chicks every second of the day like some sort of ape-beast and that's the sort of mirror image of what this presents gay people as.

 

[Spaz]

It may seem gayish and probably is, but when you think about it, how many guys get to dance with hot women while watching live NFL games for free?

I could see an opportunistic straight guy with some dance moves taking advantage of this potential windfall lol.

Haha !

@AJ84 since u r a woman, I'm guessing a straight feminine woman here, does a man who behaves almost exactly like you do turn you off?

And when you do throw a temper tantrum, he reacts in a like manner, what would you feel?

Edit: Does a woman truly find a man attractive when he is in touch with his "feminine" side?

 

[AJ84]

I think one of the saddest things about this is that having ridiculously prance-y, camp, effeminate gay guys doing this isn't just annoying to straight men, but it damages the credibility of much more normal gay people too. It's actually encouraging homophobia by presenting the most abrasive gay stereotypes as "normal" when they really aren't.

The town I'm from is very liberal and has a large number of gay people. Some of them are outrageously camp and (IMO) irritating. I was at a bar with colleagues recently and one of the group was this type of guy, and after 1 beer he was CONSTANTLY shouting, wooping, singing, talking over people and even yelling at people across the road in a stereotypical "b*tchy" voice. I absolutely 100% wanted to tell him to shut the f*ck up, it was so f*cking annoying. Basically the kind of camp-to-the-max man that was dancing in this video but dialled even more to 11.

By contrast the majority of gay guys, however, are just pretty standard men who happen to like other men instead of women.

One of my friends who is gay absolutely hates guys that camp it up. If he watched this video he would puke like everyone else...but it's even worse for him, because he is being depicted as being like that.

Imagine every straight guy was depicted in the media as a brain-dead, gruff-voiced CONSTANTLY SHOUTING horndog who could do nothing but flex and try to f*ck chicks every second of the day like some sort of ape-beast and that's the sort of mirror image of what this presents gay people as.

Yeah most of the gay men I know are not camping it up.

But the camped up limp wrist stereotype is more acceptable to mainstream audiences because it's safer. It's so out there like a caricature that it's almost comical. Think about how gay men are typically portrayed on network television sitcoms for example. Network TV caters to a wide heterosexual, average Joe audience. Modern family, Will and Grace etc. It's safer for a gay character to be so obvious and unrelatable to mainstream audiences than a guy who dresses, talks, and acts like an average straight guy, but is gay.

They do this on purpose, but it makes it seem like all gay men are prancing around when you're right, they are the exception not the rule.

 

[marmel75]

If they arent gay they will likely be VERY popular among their coworkers

 

[AJ84]

Haha !

@AJ84 since u r a woman, I'm guessing a straight feminine woman here, does a man who behaves almost exactly like you do turn you off?

And when you do throw a temper tantrum, he reacts in a like manner, what would you feel?

Edit: Does a woman truly find a man attractive when he is in touch with his "feminine" side?

Of course it's a turn off, because I don't need another me lol.
I don't throw temper tantrums though, because I'm not 5 yrs old or some bimbo with a princess mentality.
A woman is attracted to man who can show feelings, and isn't afraid to be vulnerable, not to be confused with being feminine. All humans have feelings, men aren't meant to be walking Marlboro ads.

But sitting around dishing about other people while doing our nails? No I got other women for that

I'm just saying that I can see some guy auditioning to be a cheerleader to get access to hot girls and free football. There actually are straight male cheerleaders. Think about college when guys would enroll in classes that attract a lot of females, just to meet women.

Nothing wrong with it if the guy can tolerate being around some overly gay men if it means he can meet hot young and fit women AND have the best seats to watch one of the best sport in the world.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Do you remember when average men few decades ago were allowed to hit on women, invite them for dinner or make compliments without being sued?

Well now such "privilege" is just for good looking masculine men, no longer a right for the average joe, not because he "doesnt have game" but because culture consider the average man nothing more than an utility.

20 years from now women will still appreciate masculinity except that very few men will be allowed to express it without conseguences.

When society pvssifies those who get struck the most are average men not men in general, right now a chad can get much more sex and rewards than 30 yrs ago, what about the average joe?

A feminist society is a jungle society where women and a restricted number of males basically rule on everyone else wheter economically or in terms of social postion and benefits.

I find it optimistic borderline delusional to hear someone say stuff like "cool lets make a socialist society so rich men will be even more in demand if surrounded from poverty" lol sure, just wish you sit in the government or u aint gonna be rich anymore.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

This could be an interesting discussion. Let's explore.

The decline of masculinity is perpetuated by the urbanisation of men, being raised by single mothers, being schooled by women, being thought by women what's manly etc.

With that said, a man who is naturally masculine but lacks mentorship of another man will likely be confused growing up and thus likely to have uncontrolled aggressive behaviour.

Perhaps you meant this when society would view masculinity in the same breath as criminality?

That’s part of it. I don’t think that the ‘urbanization’ makes them less masculine tbh. That’s just a circumstance.

As for not being able to control aggressive behavior from a lack of a father figure, the opposite could happen too. He could become TOO passive. Be a pushover. And that’s the way people will see who is as a person. So him deviating from that pushover level to suddenly becoming ‘manly’ would be seen as an extreme for him, simply because it’s so far away from what he was. But him going from pushover to ‘normal’ guy would just mean he is angry or having a bad day. See what I mean? There’s not just that too. The more society tries to promote wimpy ****, the more people will see masculine things as criminal. Strong eye contact is just representative of masculinity, not necessarily masculine itself. People will consider that as threatening or assault and battery just like how many consider catcalling as rape with #metoo. The more common it becomes, the more the lines will be blurred between masculinity and criminality.

 

[lizardking82]

And just listen to the video "Here they are with their captain.." and their captain is a woman haahhaahhahaha the ultimate feminist dream, a woman captain LOL

Let's see how quickly they get rid of these guys when their half time show ratings start to plummet.

 

[Bible_Belt]

I could see a future with a all-gay NFL team. They would start as an exhibition and pre-season show only. But they would give them some sort of advantage, like letting them use steroids, until they could compete in a few years.