Double Standard

[cola]

If she sleeps with you on the first date, she's unworthy of ltr?

If she takes too long to sleep with you she is a prude, gameplayer, has a low IL?

 

[bigneil]

0) My last girlfriend (then age 20) had sex with me on the first date (we had known each other for 9 months) and the last date. Looking back to that first date, it was pure magic. Her nipples were erect during dinner and we walked straight back to the hotel. The elevator doors closed and she moved in for the first kiss. We had sex within 10 minutes of being alone together, and she had her first orgasm. We both fell in love that night and stayed together for nearly a year. She texted a thank you after each and every date. We dated 9 months (knowing each other for 18 months). It ended suddenly, after we didn't see each other for a few weeks.

Since then, I've noticed extreme behavior with women.

1) 19 year old teacher threw herself at me. We had unprotected sex. She said I could come inside her (I didn't). She didn't text thank you. Then went back to her FB boyfriend.
2) 26 year old model spent the night with me. We almost had sex. I have avoided her since. She DID text thank you. She still reaches out 6 months later.
3) 25 year old bartender. We made out. She texted thank you but went back to her boyfriend.
4) 24 year old waitress. Love at first sight (on first two meetings). Date. Starry eyed comfortable silence. She had me take her home. We made out. She didn't text thank you. Never saw her again.
5) 20 year old stripper. Had three dates. She came back to my place. We made out. She DID text thank you after dates 1 and 2, but didn't text thank you after third date. Decent good night kiss. Never got a reply to my text.
6) 22 year old stripper. Ran into her after 9 months. She texted to confirm date in first text. Showed up on time. Starry eyed comfortable silence. Great goodnight kiss. She didn't text thank you. Never got a reply to my text.
7) 22 year old waitress. Threw herself at me first 3 times I saw her. Agreed to date. Started acting cold. I cancelled date.

So the pattern is extreme easy come, extreme easy go, with love at first sight the new norm, but with no thank you from the girl meaning the kiss of death.

Is it just me, or did women not usually be so easy to seduce and so easy to flee? Something is not right. WTF?

Like I said over a year ago - nowadays texting means more than kissing.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

No it isn't that cut and dry. It's just that the TYPE of women who will sleep with you on the first date tends to not be worthy of an LTR and the type of woman who will lead you on tends to be prudish and/or not interested. But there are some good women who will sleep with you on the first date. With that being said, there are some sluts who will lead you on and be sure not to sleep with you ever. Most of the time though, there's little crossover.

 

[guru1000]

The girl who sleeps with you fast because you are attractive is more susceptible to be the girl who sleeps with the "hot guy" on a GNO.

The girl who makes you wait too long has likely slept with previous guys too fast, got pumped and dumped, and learned to slow her role.

Look for balance.

 

[beforeimgone]

If she sleeps with you on the first date, she's unworthy of ltr?

If she takes too long to sleep with you she is a prude, gameplayer, has a low IL?

Any female with control over her attraction is a slvt. If she's clearly attracted but having an inner conflict about sex on the first hang out, that's a good sign. If she puts out and is confident in her nakedness she's most likely been there many times before.

I sleep with women asap. My limit is four hang outs unless I see progress each time.

I find that the women who are clearly attracted and loving what I'm doing but also appear to be having a huge inner conflict (this can be faked if you don't have a tuned eye) are the ones with less mileage on their pvssy. You just happen to be very very attractive to them

 

[Trump]

If she sleeps with you on the first date, she's unworthy of ltr?

No. Who said that? She could completely 100% worthy of an LTR if she sleeps with the man on the 1st date.

If she takes too long to sleep with you she is a prude, gameplayer, has a low IL?

This is more likely. In 2017 where good looking girls sleep with high school and college guys very fast, if she takes her time with you because her situation, circumstances, and age has changed, you would have to think a girl who waits is trying to extract resources and make a fool out of the guy.

 

[Urbanyst]

If she sleeps with you on the first date, she's unworthy of ltr?

If she takes too long to sleep with you she is a prude, gameplayer, has a low IL?

Are you saying women are victims of double standards? We are too hard on them?

I'm more concerned about how the market looks for guys. This post seems like a woman's problem.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

If she sleeps with you on the first date, she's unworthy of ltr?

If she takes too long to sleep with you she is a prude, gameplayer, has a low IL?

If you are screening for character, you want to find a women who is... modest and moderate. She is a challenge, you have to do some work to seduce her, and she has to be seduceable.

 

[bigneil]

If she sleeps with you on the first date, she's unworthy of ltr?

It depends on how long you knew her before the first date, and how much of a romance there is.

Guys, romance is still king. If you can get a romantic dialog going in her text messages, it really makes the difference. If you can't get it going, you are dead in the water. It's also the key to maintaining her long term. If she feels romantic, sex will "just happen", often on the first date. And if she stops feeling romantic, the relationship might end. Often, resistance is a request for more romance.

 

[beforeimgone]

It depends on how long you knew her before the first date, and how much of a romance there is.

Guys, romance is still king. If you can get a romantic dialog going in her text messages, it really makes the difference. If you can't get it going, you are dead in the water. It's also the key to maintaining her long term. If she feels romantic, sex will "just happen", often on the first date. And if she stops feeling romantic, the relationship might end. Often, resistance is a request for more romance.

Idk about this, brah. I only hit females up first on three situations: after I get their number to schedule a meet up, the day of the meet up to make sure it's still a plan, and the next day after I fvck to schedule another fvck.

I'm a terrible texter on purpose. I let her hmu first and when she does I try to schedule a meet up or try to get her to do something.

Hot bvtches have guys trying to be witty all the time with them. I just want them to get out the house and do stuff for me with minimal effort on my part.

 

[bigneil]

To clarify, if she resists a romantic dialog you are dead in the water. You might get by without one.

If a girl isn't romantic and a good writer, I will lose interest in a hurry.

 

[sazc]

My vote is that if you really dont know her (first date is truly first real meet) and she sleeps with you on the first date be mindful that this is more than likely how she operates when it comes to men and dating. It's not a completely reliable litmus test, but seems like it could be a good indicator.

Waiting too long, especially when you, mister man, deliver reliability, the appearance of investment, and consistency, is an indicator that something is amiss with her. Is she a prude? Is she looking for gifts? Is she just stringing you along for dinners, etc.

The question is how does one define "waiting too long"?

 

[marmel75]

If she sleeps with you on the first date, she's unworthy of ltr?

If she takes too long to sleep with you she is a prude, gameplayer, has a low IL?

I don't buy into generalizations, each case is judged on it's own merits not "groupthink"

 

[darksprezzatura]

If she sleeps with you on the first date, she's unworthy of ltr?

If she takes too long to sleep with you she is a prude, gameplayer, has a low IL?

Do you agree all men biologically operate the same? To spread our genes as far as possible, to satisfy polygamy.

In a similar way, all women operate the same way, to satisfy their hypergamy.

If a girl comes in the proximity of a highly valuable man who might walk away any moment, she'll feel rushed to fvck him before he goes - to satisfy their hypergamy.

As a corollary, the same girl would lead on a guy and act like a prude in the company of a man who hasn't been able to convey his value.

I say escalate as quickly as possible, forget if she's a slut or a prude, it doesn't matter.

Keep screening her for unwanted behaviours towards you which don't make you happy.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Do you agree all men biologically operate the same? To spread our genes as far as possible, to satisfy polygamy.

In a similar way, all women operate the same way, to satisfy their hypergamy.
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Stop to consider that this ideological determinism may be a form of 'bad faith'.

You are free to rationally choose your own beliefs.

 

[RangerMIke]

If she sleeps with you on the first date, she's unworthy of ltr?

If she takes too long to sleep with you she is a prude, gameplayer, has a low IL?

Gender roles: We grade men on their ability to approach and create love. We grade women on her ability to filter out and select men that are good for her.

So a man that sleeps with lots of chicks is a guy that knows how to approach and create love. A Chick that sleeps with a lot of dudes clearly does not have the ability to selectively pick quality men. This is how most people think.

Me... I really don't care because I am focused on what I want. A women sleeps with me right away... great, a chick that makes me wait... no problem as long as she is still fun on dates it doesn't matter, I'll get sex from another women. I think if you come at this with the mindset that all women are the same, and from a place of abundance you don't care what women do or don't do. Is the chick entertaining that really all that matters.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Gender roles: We grade men on their ability to approach and create love. We grade women on her ability to filter out and select men that are good for her.

So a man that sleeps with lots of chicks is a guy that knows how to approach and create love. A Chick that sleeps with a lot of dudes clearly does not have the ability to selectively pick quality men. This is how most people think.
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This is the double standard.

BUT, men lead.

And so feminism has followed men's lead here and the 'double standard' [a derogative term] is increasingly rejected.

Now, ideologically driven under the banner of liberty and equality, women also want to sleep with as many guys as they want.


The solution is what it once was - it is for men to lead by freely creating a culture/ order, and NOT abdicating their responsibility by some deterministic hocus pocus about biological programming. That will only lead to increasing chaos.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

(Excessive) sex doesn't always treat a woman's body well. I think most experienced men can identify a woman who has is also err 'experienced', from one who is less so, purely from her physicality.

The best way to describe it is, an 'experienced' woman has a similar constitution of someone who spent the last couple of years drinking heavily (though not excessively). And, unfortunately for her, drinking and promiscuity invariably go hand in hand.

In particular, for example, you can tell many things from the quality and feel of a woman's skin.

Though of course there are exceptions to every rule, nowadays I find women who don't put out immediately more attractive; they value their bodies (as I say, it shows) and their investment and they know how to screen for quality.

Though anything longer than the third date is prudish or low interest. Either that, or your dating game is diabolical.

 

[The Duke]

If she sleeps with you on the first date, she's unworthy of ltr?

If she takes too long to sleep with you she is a prude, gameplayer, has a low IL?

I understand where you are coming from, but neither one is balanced. The healthiest people are balanced people. Do you want a girl that is mentally healthy or not? A good rule of thumb is to stick to one that puts out on the 3rd-5th date.

 

[cola]

(Excessive) sex doesn't always treat a woman's body well. I think most experienced men can identify a woman who has is also err 'experienced', from one who is less so, purely from her physicality.

The best way to describe it is, an 'experienced' woman has a similar constitution of someone who spent the last couple of years drinking heavily (though not excessively). And, unfortunately for her, drinking and promiscuity invariably go hand in hand.

In particular, for example, you can tell many things from the quality and feel of a woman's skin.

Though of course there are exceptions to every rule, nowadays I find women who don't put out immediately more attractive; they value their bodies (as I say, it shows) and their investment and they know how to screen for quality.

Though anything longer than the third date is prudish or low interest. Either that, or your dating game is diabolical.

Really bruh? ****ng a lot makes their skin rough?
Plenty porn stars who get pounded on for hours a week by big horse dongs look perfectly regular..