"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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There are certain things I don't like to do. I don't like cleaning toilets. Meanwhile, she doesn't like to take out the trash. That's just a very small example, but there are advantages.
Who really likes cleaning toilets or taking out the trash though? Bad examples, but yes there are advantages, I'm living with my girlfriend so I know.

Anyways, it was a response to point 3 of OP's post. Pointing out how everything is kept super separate as if it's 2 thieves trying to live together, so what's the point calling it a relationship?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Anyways, it was a response to point 3 of OP's post. Pointing out how everything is kept super separate as if it's 2 thieves trying to live together, so what's the point calling it a relationship?
I see what you're saying now, I wasn't taking it in context. Since we're talking about an alternative to marriage here (or more specifically divorce), the idea is just to keep your finances separate. In a divorce, usually the government comes in and freezes your assets and decides how they will be distributed.

The idea here is to avoid the third party interference and allow for a simpler, easier split - IF it should happen. From a practical standpoint, I don't really see why you would need or want a joint account anyway.

I don't mind taking out the trash though, doesn't take very long.

I didn't know you were cohabitating, Grewd. It's a pretty unpopular idea around here, although I'm enjoying it well enough.
 

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What's the point? It's doomed to fail anyway! 50% failure rate is a grade of F.

There is no hope, when people worship themselves, instead of the One who created/instituted marriage.

You're better off, with your casual sex. At least, you get some. o_O

 
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I see what you're saying now, I wasn't taking it in context. Since we're talking about an alternative to marriage here (or more specifically divorce), the idea is just to keep your finances separate. In a divorce, usually the government comes in and freezes your assets and decides how they will be distributed.

The idea here is to avoid the third party interference and allow for a simpler, easier split - IF it should happen. From a practical standpoint, I don't really see why you would need or want a joint account anyway.

I don't mind taking out the trash though, doesn't take very long.

I didn't know you were cohabitating, Grewd. It's a pretty unpopular idea around here, although I'm enjoying it well enough.
Well, actually point 3 isn't stupid. It's just the underlying "mine and yours" mentality. I don't share an account with my girlfriend, but we spend it as if both our money is shared.

Yes I am cohabitating, I never cared for what this forum considers popular or not. In my opinion it's fear that keeps others from doing it too. A rational fear, but completely staying away from potential danger is not as helpful as learning how to deal with it.

Many guys just conclude that they're not gonna have relationships at all. They fear the things we often discuss on this forum. I don't fear it, I'm just aware of it. I use all I know to predict the chance of bad outcomes and always know what to do in a worst case scenario. It's not naive and it's not pessimistic either, I get a sense that many guys on this forum is more on the pessimistic side.
 

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What's the point? It's doomed to fail anyway! 50% failure rate is a grade of F.

There is no hope, when people worship themselves, instead of the One who created/instituted marriage.

You're better off, with your casual sex. At least, you get some. o_O

Exactly!

When people say "She's too young - if you get married it's doomed to fail" I said "Thats the case with every marriage, so why not marry a hottie?"
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Anyways, it was a response to point 3 of OP's post. Pointing out how everything is kept super separate as if it's 2 thieves trying to live together, so what's the point calling it a relationship?
This is like saying "Why sign an NDA with your new company - if they trust you you shouldn't need that"!

And it's not 2 thieves - there is only her.
 

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This is like saying "Why sign an NDA with your new company - if they trust you you shouldn't need that"!

And it's not 2 thieves - there is only her.
True, if you need NDA then I would not hire them. It is 2 thieves, men are not saints.
 
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