"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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i agree with legends response Tenacity. be indifferent to the thug chasers and leave them to the ex cons that try to pick them up on pof.

it's not the thug chasing chicks fault they choose ex cons. it's the ex cons fault for committing his crimes in the first place.

legend is showing by example his personal accountability.
More personal attacks? LOL. I own your thoughts princess.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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As part of your tithe. That doesn't make you an activist.
Sir, I donate my time and money, period. That's more than just someone who speaks on the topics through anonymous forums.

Now answer this truly. Real discussion here: Are you in this "war" because you care about society or are you in this "war" because of the lack of quality which YOU can't find. Let's be honest here.
BOTH.

Where do you find most peace: Fighting an insurmountable gender war--or--accepting women as they are (knowing the rules of the game) and being the best damn player? --Albert Einstein
If we keep going the way we are going, our lives in this area will get more chaotic to where there will be no peace. I made a thread on here awhile ago that the issues we are dealing with in relation to women, are a part of a BIGGER problem. That bigger problem is in relation to MACRO changes occurring where we are moving from a Center Right country to a Center Left country.

So just like we need Conservative Groups to fight the Left, we need groups to fight this bullshyt that women are doing. I will tell you that if MORE guys would take a stand against bullshyt, that right there will begin to change a lot of these chicks' behavior.
 

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If OLD is that bad and consist of low quality women then where are the high quality women?
Church? Grocery Store? A bank? The Mall? MeetUps.com? Match.com?
I would assume there is low quality everywhere you go and have heard horror stories that Match.com is bad too it is a paid service.

It seems like fame and wealth is the only way to score a hot babe with some brains and morals.
 

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taking your own advice is a personal attack I guess.

Accountability for thee but not for me is it?
No, you got it backwards. The onus falls upon me, hence why we have documented 14 posts of personal attacks, and antagonizing words--exactly what I was warned not to do.

Don't forget to create your new username once this gets banned :D
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Sir, I donate my time and money, period. That's more than just someone who speaks on the topics through anonymous forums.



BOTH.



If we keep going the way we are going, our lives in this area will get more chaotic to where there will be no peace. I made a thread on here awhile ago that the issues we are dealing with in relation to women, are a part of a BIGGER problem. That bigger problem is in relation to MACRO changes occurring where we are moving from a Center Right country to a Center Left country.

So just like we need Conservative Groups to fight the Left, we need groups to fight this bullshyt that women are doing. I will tell you that if MORE guys would take a stand against bullshyt, that right there will begin to change a lot of these chicks' behavior.
Nothing to stand up against. I'm very happy with the market just the way it is. Like I said, learn the "rules," and be the best damn player. No chess puzzle here.
 

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No, you got it backwards. The onus falls upon me, hence why we have documented 14 posts of personal attacks, and antagonizing words--exactly what I was warned not to do.

Don't forget to create your new username once this gets banned :D
You take pof being known as bottom of the barrel a personal attack?

you take not following your own advice a personal attack?

Are you not an ex con?

Are you not using pof a bottom of the barrel website?

Are you not preaching personal responsibility?

Did you not tell Tenacity to be indifferent to thug chasing women?

If you are an ex con doesn't that mean those same thug chasing chicks on pof are all dating an ex con such as yourself?

Did you not say you've been with hundreds of women?

Don't you say it's not women's fault the way they are and we should just accept it?

Therefore if you are an ex con. it's your fault for committing the crime. And it's not the thug chasing women's fault for dating you off pof the site you use to pick up quality women while improving every aspect of your life because women are just going to do that.
 
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You take pof being known as bottom of the barrel a personal attack?

you take not following your own advice a personal attack?

Are you not an ex con?

Are you not using pof a bottom of the barrel website?

Are you not preaching personal responsibility?

Did you not tell Tenacity to be indifferent to thug chasing women?

If you are an ex con doesn't that mean those same thug chasing chicks on pof are all dating an ex con such as yourself?

Did you not say you've been with hundreds of women?

Don't you say it's not women's fault the way they are and we should just accept it?

Therefore if you are an ex con. it's your fault for committing the crime. And it's not the thug chasing women's fault for dating you off pof the site you use to pick up quality women while improving every aspect of your life.
Quit your whining. Get banned with dignity.
 

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If OLD is that bad and consist of low quality women then where are the high quality women?
Church? Grocery Store? A bank? The Mall? MeetUps.com? Match.com?
I would assume there is low quality everywhere you go and have heard horror stories that Match.com is bad too it is a paid service.

It seems like fame and wealth is the only way to score a hot babe with some brains and morals.
there's good and bad quality everywhere you go. more places than others. IE: Dive bars, pof.

you have to see where a chicks head is at. family bond. sense of self. honesty, integrity etc.

write down a list of must have positives and bad qualities. try to find a chick you not only find attractive but has a majority of good qualities you're looking for beyond just arm candy.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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So when legend loses a debate he begs for the opposing debater to be banned so he can continue to preach his accountability for thee but not for me mantra.
More antagonizing words?
 

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Quit with the strawmen guys and actually read the post. Gawd if this is the quality of your listening skills it amazes me that you ever got laid. U need to be less reactive.

I said game exists. I didn't say it worked every time with every girl. And I defined game as a set of skills and and tactics e.g. push pull, compliance ladder, breaking rapport, etc. Now these r mainly based on psychology. Ie. on empirical research. So y wouldn't it work? And at a high level it makes proceedings a bit more interesting for both parties. BTW I still do the fake palm reading schtick when I can b bothered and it just about always ends up in a makeout session minimum.
 

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Ok, so now that we have a 9 page overstatement about the fact that online women are more picky and heavy attention seekers and game players, what is the solution?

We as men still need to improve, and take f**king initiatives. This bickering needs to stop. Enough mental masturbation.

If the time arguing was spent doing something better, like messaging chicks online, there would be a better and more productive conversation i.e. where did I f**k up?

Fact is, you often don't know if it's you that f**ked up or if it's some circumstance that is blocking you. If sh*t is going nowhere, erase and replace. Block her if you need to.

Learn indifference.

I'm shutting down this decent debate turned pointless-pissing-party. Too much ad hominem flying ad nauseum.

Thread closed. Clear this god damn courtroom and have a beer.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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