Wtf? Local chick, comments on my social media photos, hits on me. She's hot, cool. I hit her up like 2 days after (today) said she'd be down to meet up..I ask for her number, she says "contact me on Facebook messenger, I don't really give my number out unless it's for business inquiries" I just said hm ok and didn't say anything after.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Weird signals
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
devilkingx2
Master Don Juan
she sounds like a hooker tbh
Roober
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I have realized you don't need to get the number to get a date. I have even stopped asked for the number. If she is interested, she will provide it afterwards.
Talk to her a bit, build rapport, then set a date. Anything other than a yes or a suggestion for an alternative.... is a NO!
Talk to her a bit, build rapport, then set a date. Anything other than a yes or a suggestion for an alternative.... is a NO!
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
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That whole contact me on FB Messenger was a big red flag. As in she put up another barrier. Now she just wants to focus on her business, get you as an orbiter, and only see her boyfriend while getting attention from you that said boyfriend doesn't provide.
Just delete her. Sounds like an escort. She's not that attractive anyway.
Just delete her. Sounds like an escort. She's not that attractive anyway.
Atom Smasher
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I would probably hit her up on FB as she requested, with the view that she might be protecting herself out of fear.
This would be made up for later when you let her know that to continue, you will require her phone number. If she likes you, she will gladly give it to you. If she hedges, she's out.
This would be made up for later when you let her know that to continue, you will require her phone number. If she likes you, she will gladly give it to you. If she hedges, she's out.
TheCuckSlayer
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Woah...2/8 replies saying she's a hooker bc she won't give out her number over social media? LOL WTF SOSUAVE. 
OP, you got emotionally butthurt and put your mind into rejection mode when she declined giving you her number. Remember, a phone number is just a tool. You got so hung up on that meaningless rejection for complying with your request, that you forgot she told you she's down to meet up.
Forget the number. The meetup is the goal. Message her again, make plans to see each other. You'll quickly know after the first date if she's interested.
OP, you got emotionally butthurt and put your mind into rejection mode when she declined giving you her number. Remember, a phone number is just a tool. You got so hung up on that meaningless rejection for complying with your request, that you forgot she told you she's down to meet up.
Forget the number. The meetup is the goal. Message her again, make plans to see each other. You'll quickly know after the first date if she's interested.
devilkingx2
Master Don Juan
no it's that she only gives out her private personal phone number for "business inquiries"
what kind of business does she run where she doesn't feel the need to have a business phone and takes her calls personally? does she not talk to her friends or not have them?
unless she's just lying with a horrible choice of words (in which case that's an instant next because lying to you is zero interest) then she's probably a hooker with low interest lol
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.