"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Konada

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When I read this exchange it immediately reminded me of this scene from Tommy Boy:


You come off as over-eager, desperate and like you have nothing else going on in your life.

And that's just through text...how are you coming off in person?
I don't know. I'm just terrible with texting, I posted this exchange because I was very attracted to her (don't know why).

My usual exchange goes something like this:
On OLD:

Me: Hi
HB: Hi
Me: Hey how's your weekend coming along
HB: Blahblah
Me: I see. You seem like a pretty cool girl, how's tinder treating you so far?
HB: Blahblah
Me: <reply>. Anyway, let's grab a drink/coffee sometime this week. Drop me your number and I'll text you soon.

When I get the number, I text it a day later
Me: Hi its xxx from tinder
HB: Heyy
Me: What are you up to?
HB: Blahblahblah
Me: Cool, what nights are you free for a drink this week?

Even then, my closing ratio for dates from numbers is about 20%. I've been told that I needed to incorporate more flirtation and excite the girl, but now looks like I'm back at square 1. I fvcking hate this.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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The good news here is that you are addressing the issues, opening yourself to criticism, and getting a ton of great feedback to incorporate into your future interactions, and you are just 22 years old. You are doing it right.
 

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I don't know. I'm just terrible with texting, I posted this exchange because I was very attracted to her (don't know why).

My usual exchange goes something like this:
On OLD:

Me: Hi
HB: Hi
Me: Hey how's your weekend coming along
HB: Blahblah
Me: I see. You seem like a pretty cool girl, how's tinder treating you so far?
HB: Blahblah
Me: <reply>. Anyway, let's grab a drink/coffee sometime this week. Drop me your number and I'll text you soon.

When I get the number, I text it a day later
Me: Hi its xxx from tinder
HB: Heyy
Me: What are you up to?
HB: Blahblahblah
Me: Cool, what nights are you free for a drink this week?

Even then, my closing ratio for dates from numbers is about 20%. I've been told that I needed to incorporate more flirtation and excite the girl, but now looks like I'm back at square 1. I fvcking hate this.
I think you need something more confident and assertive in the opening.

"Hi" seems very dry and skittish. Try to gauge an opener based off something in her pics, and light sarcasm isn't a bad thing to make her qualify herself from the beginning so you aren't qualifying yourself 3 messages into it like you were originally
 

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When I read this exchange it immediately reminded me of this scene from Tommy Boy:


You come off as over-eager, desperate and like you have nothing else going on in your life.

And that's just through text...how are you coming off in person?
That tommy boy scene just had me dying bro. Rip to that guy man.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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1) I have never used any emoji (except the ;) which I need to use as people never know I'm joking)
2) I have never used a (Laugh Out Loud)
3) I have never published a selfie (even ones taken by her).
I'm on par with all of that as well. I'm not a selfie type guy, I like The winky because by that point, you're about to rail her anyway and lol is gay. Remove it. Agreed.
 

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Your texts are ok, concise and to the point

The problem is like 90% of the women on tinder she’s just browsing , she doesn’t actually want to date, she’s probably already got 3 or 4 real life “go to guys” which she will rotate for sex / dates / treats whatever

Tinder is somewhat fools gold , men think that a woman that’s on tinder MUST want to date or have sex

The reality is a lot of them don’t actually “want” anything they are merely on there to see how seductive they actually are and how far they can string men along ,

Don’t underestimate how much of a ego boost it is to have 50+ messages a day off guys telling you how sexy you are

I use tinder now literally just to test new openers or routines on maybe try a couple of booty calls once in blue moon but that’s it
 

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The problem is like 90% of the women on tinder she’s just browsing
Precisely. This is the ultimate flaw in online dating in general; men see it as a way to meet women; women see it as a way to meet one man.

Don’t underestimate how much of a ego boost it is to have 50+ messages a day off guys telling you how sexy you are
This will never cease to baffle me. When a girl I don't find attractive show interest in me, any ego boost is ultimately extinguished by cringe. Why would any one get a boost from someone they don't even find attractive. I guess I'm looking at it too logically.
 

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READ THIS:

Jeffst1980 said: ↑
The main thing to remember with texting is that you get FAR BETTER results by being "rude" i.e. ignoring her questions, stopping midway through conversations, taking forever to respond, or sending vague non sequitur messages. Asking her how her midterm went, etc. before she's invested in you will not make you stand out. Having absolutely piss poor texting "manners" will, however. Incorporate a little...flakiness into your game and you'll see better results.
Ha ha! That's how I found this site! because a dude was behaving like this with me and I was like "is this normal texting behavior?" so I googled it and found links to SS.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Is this salvageable or should I chalk it up to a loss?

Plan A: Wait for her to reach out
Plan B: Send a text 'Hey' in 2 weeks time when I get back from overseas
 

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Is this salvageable or should I chalk it up to a loss?

Plan A: Wait for her to reach out
Plan B: Send a text 'Hey' in 2 weeks time when I get back from overseas
Going no contact is not some move to save face IMO ... if your gut tells you that you might be able to shake this one loose ... go no contact for a bit then reach out again .. another request for a date (based on her response) will tell you EVERYTHING you need to know about the girl's interest level.
 
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