"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Told a friend she still likes me but..

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Was dating a girl for about a month, had feelings for, first in 3 years. She ended up ghosting on me mostly, we chat now and then but she rarely responds to a text message or it's 1 day or 2 later. I can see her trying to avoid/ignore my FB posts, but I see her at the bar often and she is chatty and never breaks eye contact. She is also going through a ton of personal **** and just lost a childhood friend. But the other day she told one of her good gay friends who is also one of my good friends now that she still likes me. I just don't get it. She also made a weird comment the other day when I asked if she had gum while I was at the club, she said "Why, going to make out with someone?" Almost like she would be jealous. She is also much younger than me, 22 and im 34. But she had a life that forced her to be more adult than most and hell I still feel in my 20s.

I am still out meeting new girls, not tons but a few.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Then stop playing grab ass with her and invite her out.

The answer 99% of the time to these situations is stop BSing with all this other stuff and invite her out.

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Then stop playing grab ass with her and invite her out.

The answer 99% of the time to these situations is stop BSing with all this other stuff and invite her out.

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I have but she gets stuck having to take care of her brother/sister because her mom doesn't.
 

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I have but she gets stuck having to take care of her brother/sister because her mom doesn't.
Sure, sure...good rationalisation...that's called "It's no, but I don't want to hurt your feelings because you'd make a good beta orbiter that I can use for things in the future."

See, she knew your good friend would tell you this, thereby giving you hope so she could have you fully in orbit.
 

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Sure, sure...good rationalisation...that's called "It's no, but I don't want to hurt your feelings because you'd make a good beta orbiter that I can use for things in the future."

See, she knew your good friend would tell you this, thereby giving you hope so she could have you fully in orbit.

That might make sense if I ever orbited her.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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That might make sense if I ever orbited her.
If she isn't going out with you, and you aren't fvcking her, what do you call it? Sounds like orbiting to me.
 

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I have but she gets stuck having to take care of her brother/sister because her mom doesn't.

Why do you care about her personal life? Her value and interest in you is determined by how well she meets your demands. If you are timid in your approach you will yield minimal results. If she has an excuse every time you try to make plans then that is low interest in you. If she has low interest in you then her value in your eyes should be low as well.


It's not you and her vs the world. It's you vs her and it always will be. If you win in a dominating fashion the you get the girl and all the love she can give. If you lose then you get excuses and flaking. If you win by a small margin then you are basically equal to her which is contemptuous in her eyes/the same as losing.


It's not a competition though.
 
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