Youtube short that sums up todays' dating market

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This short popped up into my youtube feed the other day and it filled me up with laughter lol. While it's impossible to specifically quantify, the point that the guy made was that in previous generations the average man had to put in substantially less work in order to acquire a woman that was substantially better quality than what would be realistically obtainable today. The term "Hoflation", which I love, sums it up perfectly.

Also, just lol at her face, dumb stupid hoe. When 2/3 of young men are single this just shows how out of touch many women are.

You could have a good job, be fit and respectable and you'd be lucky to get a date with a woman who is not a single mom or obese.

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This is stupid AF. My grandad worked his ass off through manual labor to support my grandma. My great grandad and going further worked similar jobs and fought in horrible wars to support their spouses. Meanwhile, your average dude today can easily get laid without being gainfully employed and contributing jack shvt to society. You can complain all you want about Modern Women, but there are guys out their fvcking them right now. I would much rather adapt to modern women than live in pre 1980s America or some third world country.
 

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This is stupid AF. My grandad worked his ass off through manual labor to support my grandma. My great grandad and going further worked similar jobs and fought in horrible wars to support their spouses. Meanwhile, your average dude today can easily get laid without being gainfully employed and contributing jack shvt to society. You can complain all you want about Modern Women, but there are guys out their fvcking them right now. I would much rather adapt to modern women than live in pre 1980s America or some third world country.
Dude, you are seriously missing the point. The point is that the average man in the past didn't have to put in so much effort in order to land a quality woman. A significant number of men from previous generations that ended up getting married and having children would literally be complete incels, or very close to it, if they were young men in the current dating market.
 
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This is stupid AF. My grandad worked his ass off through manual labor to support my grandma. My great grandad and going further worked similar jobs and fought in horrible wars to support their spouses. Meanwhile, your average dude today can easily get laid without being gainfully employed and contributing jack shvt to society. You can complain all you want about Modern Women, but there are guys out their fvcking them right now. I would much rather adapt to modern women than live in pre 1980s America or some third world country.
2/3 of young men today are single and struggling in the dating market, this is uncharted territory. Are some of these men severely out of shape, have very poor social skills, terrible hygiene, complete losers, etc.? There definitely are some in this category, but are you going to tell me that the majority of young men fall into this range? If you believe that is the case you are incredibly delusional.

A man could be fit/athletic, maybe he goes to the gym or plays pickup games, goes hiking, etc. Chances are he could go on tinder or any other dating site or app and legitimately struggle to get matches or replies, let alone actual dates. It's very likely he'll only be swiped right on by trannies and incredibly unattractive or overweight women. This is the experience for the vast majority of men on dating apps.

I swear, it's like some of the posters on here legitimately don't understand any of these issues being discussed. There is a huge crisis in the modern dating market and it is incredibly short sighted to down play what we are seeing.
 

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Yawn.

2/3 of young men today are single and struggling in the dating market, this is uncharted territory. Are some of these men severely out of shape, have very poor social skills, terrible hygiene, complete losers, etc.? There definitely are some in this category, but are you going to tell me that the majority of young men fall into this range? If you believe that is the case you are incredibly delusional.

A man could be fit/athletic, maybe he goes to the gym or plays pickup games, goes hiking, etc. Chances are he could go on tinder or any other dating site or app and legitimately struggle to get matches or replies, let alone actual dates. It's very likely he'll only be swiped right on by trannies and incredibly unattractive or overweight women. This is the experience for the vast majority of men on dating apps.

I swear, it's like some of the posters on here legitimately don't understand any of these issues being discussed. There is a huge crisis in the modern dating market and it is incredibly short sighted to down play what we are seeing.
2/3 of young men today are single and struggling in the dating market, this is uncharted territory. Are some of these men severely out of shape, have very poor social skills, terrible hygiene, complete losers, etc.? There definitely are some in this category, but are you going to tell me that the majority of young men fall into this range? If you believe that is the case you are incredibly delusional.

A man could be fit/athletic, maybe he goes to the gym or plays pickup games, goes hiking, etc. Chances are he could go on tinder or any other dating site or app and legitimately struggle to get matches or replies, let alone actual dates. It's very likely he'll only be swiped right on by trannies and incredibly unattractive or overweight women. This is the experience for the vast majority of men on dating apps.

I swear, it's like some of the posters on here legitimately don't understand any of these issues being discussed. There is a huge crisis in the modern dating market and it is incredibly short sighted to down play what we are seeing.
Maybe people het tired of hearing about problems without a solution being offered.

Maybe you should watch out as it seems you are slowly slipping into the blackpill more and more

May i ask you? Whats the solution ?

(Now lets watch how OP will ingore this post)
 
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Maybe people het tired of hearing about problems without a solution being offered.

Maybe you should watch out as it seems you are slowly slipping into the blackpill more and more

May i ask you? Whats the solution ?

(Now lets watch how OP will ingore this post)
This.

Although it seems arguments like this will keep everyone here going in circles.
 

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I thought this was a well done video even though the content creator is someone who I don't think is an original thinker but someone who simply re-packages from creators like Rollo and Rich Cooper. The above video would essentially be an expanded version of the YouTube short in the first post. I have re-posted the short below.


The point is that the average man in the past didn't have to put in so much effort in order to land a quality woman. A significant number of men from previous generations that ended up getting married and having children would literally be complete incels, or very close to it, if they were young men in the current dating market.
I agree with this post 100%. Women have been sending a larger percentage of men to the rejection pile.

There are plenty of 60-75 year old Boomer males who were ordinary men and had reasonably stable dating lives. These are men who were able to have long term marriages (40+ years in certain cases) with children or get divorced and re-married a 2nd or even 3rd time. Either way, these 60-75 year old Boomer males weren't lacking partners. These 60-75 year old Boomer men were not invisible in the sexual marketplace when they were actively seeking partners. They kept someone around despite being ordinary. These relationships might not be higher quality relationships, but at least they are completely invisible.

The Millennial/early Gen Z sons (typically 25-40 years old right now) of these 60-75 year old Boomer males are often invisible men who are incel/borderline incel despite being ordinary looking and having at least adequate social skills. There are plenty of Boomer males out there that would have been incels/borderline incels had they been born during the Millennial generation or early Gen Z.

When 2/3 of young men are single this just shows how out of touch many women are.

You could have a good job, be fit and respectable and you'd be lucky to get a date with a woman who is not a single mom or obese.
2/3 of young men today are single and struggling in the dating market, this is uncharted territory. Are some of these men severely out of shape, have very poor social skills, terrible hygiene, complete losers, etc.? There definitely are some in this category, but are you going to tell me that the majority of young men fall into this range? If you believe that is the case you are incredibly delusional.

A man could be fit/athletic, maybe he goes to the gym or plays pickup games, goes hiking, etc. Chances are he could go on tinder or any other dating site or app and legitimately struggle to get matches or replies, let alone actual dates. It's very likely he'll only be swiped right on by trannies and incredibly unattractive or overweight women. This is the experience for the vast majority of men on dating apps.

I swear, it's like some of the posters on here legitimately don't understand any of these issues being discussed. There is a huge crisis in the modern dating market and it is incredibly short sighted to down play what we are seeing.
The typical reaction to younger men (Gen Z and Millennials) not having sex is to say that these men are basement dwelling losers who are socially awkward. These are obese, acne ridden neckbeards. While there are some men who are acne ridden neckbeards living in a parent's basement and fapping to streaming porn websites, that's not even close to the typical male.

When nearly 2/3rds of younger men (late Millennials and early Gen Z) are single and struggling, it's a broader problem than obese neckbeards in a parent's basement. Even the first half of the Millennial generation (1981-1988 births) who are now 35-42 are often having significant issues dating in this marketplace. Older Millennials often struggled with the dating market. Right now, and during the next 5 years, you're going to see more Millennials turning 40 while being childless. That's a sign of more young women sending more men to the rejection pile. More and more men are getting rejected and more women are choosing lifestyles where they "Never Settle!" and lean into their careers or have kids with men in unstable situations leading to single motherhood.

There have also been cultural influences in the West that ruined the family unit and the current sexual marketplace is a symptom of that.

just lol at her face, dumb stupid hoe.
Look at her face at :29 and :43 in that video. She's astonished. You have a legitimate point here.

However, you didn't deliver this point well. Calling her "a dumb, stupid hoe" doesn't make you look good, even if your point is valid. Yes, your point is valid.

She used the typical out of touch, feminist tripe that men are socially awkward. Yes, there are socially awkward men but the market has changed so much that even ordinary men who aren't socially awkward are experiences challenges in this market. A lot of the men experiencing these problems are dumbfounded by what's going on.

your average dude today can easily get laid without being gainfully employed and contributing jack shvt to society. You can complain all you want about Modern Women, but there are guys out their fvcking them right now. I would much rather adapt to modern women than live in pre 1980s America or some third world country.
Yes, there are broke, tattooed deadbeat men who get laid. It happens. The broke, tattooed deadbeat guy who might get laid isn't indicative of men at large.

The women who the broke, tattooed deadbeat guys are fuccking are often cashiers at Walmart, Dollar General, McDonald's, and Burger King. These aren't great women either. Careerist women aren't typically fuccking the broke, deadbeat guy working at a scrap yard, cooking meals at Denny's, or working construction.

The more typical guy is some invisible white collar or blue collar/McJob type guy. Since I exist more in white collar spaces, I have seen many more invisible white collar type guys than invisible blue collar/McJob guys. Both men exist. There are men working some office job while swiping away on Tinder/Bumble/Hinge, getting matches on less than 1% of swipes, and getting few actual dates from the apps. The few dates they have are often "one date, no sex, no second date". That's a common experience on the swipe apps. It's a harsh, very negative cycle.

Part of the solution is engaging in behaviors that will adapt to women's changing tastes.

Whats the solution ?
There's not a full solution to this but there are partial solutions that men can enact at an individual level that can help. Men who do these things will experience varied results.

Part of the solution is Game study and behaving in a way that women find attractive.

Men must prioritize physical fitness. That's a part of a healthy lifestyle.

Men must avoid pornography, masturbation, and OnlyFans simping at a minimum.

I would recommend most men avoid the swipe apps, but a small percentage of men can succeed on swipe apps. Most men will have a better experience in dating by using social circle means or in-person approaching means in order to arrange their dates. They'll be prepared for this through Game study and an exercise centered lifestyle.

Minimizing use of the main leisure social media platforms (Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter) is a good idea. White collar men will often need to use LinkedIn. LinkedIn has become more a toxic soup in the last 5 years. Many toxic, feminist, careerist women post on LinkedIn while displaying their 'She/Her' pronouns. 'She/Her' pronouns are virtue signaling for the typical woman on LinkedIn.

In describing my solution thus far, I have emphasized looks above all. The looks factor is the most important factor today in attracting-seducing women. However, men can succeed without optimized looks. It will take a lot of money to do so in most cases. Some men have enough money to impress women. Using money to impress women is a more difficult spot in Game so I recommend men emphasize looks and personality over money and status.
 

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Dude, you are seriously missing the point. The point is that the average man in the past didn't have to put in so much effort in order to land a quality woman. A significant number of men from previous generations that ended up getting married and having children would literally be complete incels, or very close to it, if they were young men in the current dating market.
How do you know these were good relationships? Let's look at the facts. Most men worked from dusk til dawn supporting a family of plus 3 from a woman that was more than likely his neighbor. Bonus points if he met his wife abroad while fighting another stupid war. The biggest kicker is that the world you are complaining about today is backlash/negative reaction from failures of the parents of the Boomers. I really do not see how you can romanticize any of this because this sounds like hell.

2/3 of young men today are single and struggling in the dating market, this is uncharted territory. Are some of these men severely out of shape, have very poor social skills, terrible hygiene, complete losers, etc.? There definitely are some in this category, but are you going to tell me that the majority of young men fall into this range? If you believe that is the case you are incredibly delusional.
Why do you care? They are losers and losers for a reason hence why we have feminism today. You should be more concerned and observant over the winners. Do you care about the losers when looking for a job? Do you care about the losers when talking about making money? Do you care about the losers in the gym while working out?

A man could be fit/athletic, maybe he goes to the gym or plays pickup games, goes hiking, etc. Chances are he could go on tinder or any other dating site or app and legitimately struggle to get matches or replies, let alone actual dates. It's very likely he'll only be swiped right on by trannies and incredibly unattractive or overweight women. This is the experience for the vast majority of men on dating apps.

I swear, it's like some of the posters on here legitimately don't understand any of these issues being discussed. There is a huge crisis in the modern dating market and it is incredibly short sighted to down play what we are seeing.
Bingo, here's the real issue here. You are too fixated on looks because I can literally go outside and see unfit guys walking around with women. Hyper fixating on looks and the Pill ideology might get you a few one night stands, but you will always be lonely with nothing to show for other than bragging on sosuave or your friends. There’s many reasons why a good looking dude can fail on the dating apps. 1). Bad location, 2). Bad pictures, 3). Sucks at talking to women on the apps, and etc. Good looking guys are a dime a dozen for women, what is not commonly found is a guy that can emotionally connect with her other than sex.
 

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The same can be said the other way around. Back then we had real masculine men. Men that used their hands for work, came home sweaty, and bloody. Men earned respect and their place in the household. Nowadays most (not all men) don't even have to get out of their house to work. And worse when their remote job is done, they rather spend another 5-8 hours playing video games and another 1-2 hrs watching porn sitting on the same chair trying to escape reality.

I honestly think that while I can agree with the idea that the quality of women today compared to the 1950s is obviously noticeable, men do not work nearly as much as back then. And for the "average" guy, their lifestyles barely demand and transpire respect of any woman or fellow brother. Let's be real about comparing our grandfathers to us.

Moral of the story: Stop being black pilled, and pointing fingers at the opposite sex when we, as men, have a lot to focus and work on internally.

My two cents.
 

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The same can be said the other way around. Back then we had real masculine men. Men that used their hands for work, came home sweaty, and bloody. Men earned respect and their place in the household. Nowadays most (not all men) don't even have to get out of their house to work. And worse when their remote job is done, they rather spend another 5-8 hours playing video games and another 1-2 hrs watching porn sitting on the same chair trying to escape reality.

I honestly think that while I can agree with the idea that the quality of women today compared to the 1950s is obviously noticeable, men do not work nearly as much as back then. And for the "average" guy, their lifestyles barely demand and transpire respect of any woman or fellow brother. Let's be real about comparing our grandfathers to us.

Moral of the story: Stop being black pilled, and pointing fingers at the opposite sex when we, as men, have a lot to focus and work on internally.

My two cents.
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Lolz let's not forget about these guys working 20 hours a day grinding in the factories. Such respectable men, they sacrificed so much for the future.
Do you really think that picture represents the standard work for men back then? Even if he was lucky, they still had to deal with getting sent overseas to WW2, Korea, Vietnam and fighting in some hell scape.

Strong men make feminine women. Hell, feminine behavior is promoted by some members on this site. One poster hates me because I disagreed with him on being silent and passive aggressive in response to toxic women behavior.
 
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I'll like to clarify that the men in that picture likely were chasing fashion that women of their time deem nice. The big issue with the bottom right soyboy is that he went all in on the feminist agenda created by the parallel culture above him. I would say the men are worse off than the women when we take feminized men into account.

To give a counter example, masculine women are equally cringe.
 

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on a greater societal level, yes there is a major difference socially engineered to masculinize women and feminize men. In attitude and behavior, and now in physicality as well.

there has been an undeniable upswing in jacked females. all of these chicks are taking anabolics and want to be as big and strong and ripped as possible. nowadays there are more soyboys and feminine male sex but different gender then ever before.

at the end of the day, water always finds a level and you will match with the energy you put out there. it can certainly be a needle in a haystack though. remember you are going to get with what you are. be that quality man and you will find that quality girl. most good things take time and effort. seek and ye shall find.
 

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Men must avoid pornography, masturbation, and OnlyFans simping at a minimum.

In describing my solution thus far, I have emphasized looks above all. The looks factor is the most important factor today in attracting-seducing women.
It does not sound like your minimal emphasis is looks.
 

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@CornbreadFed

Man, you really don't understand what is being discussed here.

If you think 2/3 young men are losers you are completely out of touch with the reality of the modern dating world. Again, are some of the men in this category legitimately losers, sure, but the majority of them are going to just be ordinary and normal men. Also, do you ever consider that 1/3 of the men that are NOT in that category could also be losers? There are plenty of men in relationships that have nothing going for them, they just got lucky and had things line up for them.

You also are really out of touch with the lives men had in previous generations. Post WW2 America an average man would have been able to support a family on his own income. Many factory jobs had incredible benefits, such as pensions, etc. and overall paid quite well. They weren't working 20 hours a day for sure. This started to change in the 1970s, which is when we started seeing a shift away from this lifestyle and more to what we recognize in recent decades. The average man in the U.S during the post WW2 boom of the late 40s through the 60s did not have to put in as much work in order to find a woman who he could potentially marry and have children with. I'm going to completely disregard your comment about the Korean and Vietnam wars because they have no real relevance to the broader dating market.

The average baby boomer male, born in the late 40s through early 60s, did not struggle in the dating market. It was UNUSUAL to be a man in this bracket and not get married and later have children. The men in this category did not work 20 hours per day and would have had something akin to the 9-5 grind that is still a thing in our society. The average man in this category was also able to become a home owner, which is something that is not the case for the current younger generations. The boomer generation though were the first to see divorce as a quite common phenomenon, though this is due to a change in cultural attitudes related to marriage and family.

The Millennials and early Gen Zers are in a very different set of circumstances than what their parents and grandparents would have had. This generation has been incredibly unlucky in many ways, which I'll elaborate on. First, in my areas of the country many in this age bracket were socially pressured into going to college, which during the 90s and on had become a huge money making scam. Many were saddled with quite impressive amounts of debt, well into the 5 figures and even more was incredibly common. They also became young adults in a time period of stagnation but with incredible increases in the cost of living, particularly housing. Then you have the 2008 financial crisis, which the U.S. never really recovered from, and later the COVID lockdowns. Overall, during their prime years Millennials lived in a time of incredible economic uncertainty and distress.

I'll also add that the U.S had been involved in sort of bull**** war or occupation from 2001 and until the withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2021.

I'm going to tie this together in case I lost you. The average Millennial has had to put in far more work in order to have the same lifestyle as that of their parents, this goes for both men and women. They had to take on much more student debt to get a degree than what their parents may have had to. Becoming a home owner is substantially harder, perhaps even impossible for many living in certain areas, something that was a given for their parents. Is all of this stuff impossible, no, it's just that you have to be much tighter on your game than what was required of previous generations. This means making really good financial decisions, very careful decisions with college, career choices, etc.

One huge difference between recent times and what the previous generations experienced is the competition you will face due to social media and dating apps. Before the advent of these technologies, women dated men they had some sort of proximity or contact with. They didn't have access to literally dozens or even hundreds of men at a given time at their fingertips. This technology provides women with an incredible abundance of choices, so naturally the response is to be increasingly more selective. This can eventually get to the point where an otherwise normal man could go months without a date, in fact he'd be lucky to get one at all. I think you and many of the other posters on this site severely underestimate how bad the dating market is for the majority of the men. Like with what I mentioned previously about needing to be really tight on your financial/economic game to get by, this also applies to the dating world as well. A man needs to be much tighter with his "game" than what would have been required of men of his father's and grandfather's generations.
 
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The same can be said the other way around. Back then we had real masculine men. Men that used their hands for work, came home sweaty, and bloody. Men earned respect and their place in the household. Nowadays most (not all men) don't even have to get out of their house to work. And worse when their remote job is done, they rather spend another 5-8 hours playing video games and another 1-2 hrs watching porn sitting on the same chair trying to escape reality.

I honestly think that while I can agree with the idea that the quality of women today compared to the 1950s is obviously noticeable, men do not work nearly as much as back then. And for the "average" guy, their lifestyles barely demand and transpire respect of any woman or fellow brother. Let's be real about comparing our grandfathers to us.

Moral of the story: Stop being black pilled, and pointing fingers at the opposite sex when we, as men, have a lot to focus and work on internally.

My two cents.
That's not true, look read the post I made above and I broke down the economic factors quite well.
 

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I thought this was a well done video even though the content creator is someone who I don't think is an original thinker but someone who simply re-packages from creators like Rollo and Rich Cooper. The above video would essentially be an expanded version of the YouTube short in the first post. I have re-posted the short below.




I agree with this post 100%. Women have been sending a larger percentage of men to the rejection pile.

There are plenty of 60-75 year old Boomer males who were ordinary men and had reasonably stable dating lives. These are men who were able to have long term marriages (40+ years in certain cases) with children or get divorced and re-married a 2nd or even 3rd time. Either way, these 60-75 year old Boomer males weren't lacking partners. These 60-75 year old Boomer men were not invisible in the sexual marketplace when they were actively seeking partners. They kept someone around despite being ordinary. These relationships might not be higher quality relationships, but at least they are completely invisible.

The Millennial/early Gen Z sons (typically 25-40 years old right now) of these 60-75 year old Boomer males are often invisible men who are incel/borderline incel despite being ordinary looking and having at least adequate social skills. There are plenty of Boomer males out there that would have been incels/borderline incels had they been born during the Millennial generation or early Gen Z.





The typical reaction to younger men (Gen Z and Millennials) not having sex is to say that these men are basement dwelling losers who are socially awkward. These are obese, acne ridden neckbeards. While there are some men who are acne ridden neckbeards living in a parent's basement and fapping to streaming porn websites, that's not even close to the typical male.

When nearly 2/3rds of younger men (late Millennials and early Gen Z) are single and struggling, it's a broader problem than obese neckbeards in a parent's basement. Even the first half of the Millennial generation (1981-1988 births) who are now 35-42 are often having significant issues dating in this marketplace. Older Millennials often struggled with the dating market. Right now, and during the next 5 years, you're going to see more Millennials turning 40 while being childless. That's a sign of more young women sending more men to the rejection pile. More and more men are getting rejected and more women are choosing lifestyles where they "Never Settle!" and lean into their careers or have kids with men in unstable situations leading to single motherhood.

There have also been cultural influences in the West that ruined the family unit and the current sexual marketplace is a symptom of that.



Look at her face at :29 and :43 in that video. She's astonished. You have a legitimate point here.

However, you didn't deliver this point well. Calling her "a dumb, stupid hoe" doesn't make you look good, even if your point is valid. Yes, your point is valid.

She used the typical out of touch, feminist tripe that men are socially awkward. Yes, there are socially awkward men but the market has changed so much that even ordinary men who aren't socially awkward are experiences challenges in this market. A lot of the men experiencing these problems are dumbfounded by what's going on.



Yes, there are broke, tattooed deadbeat men who get laid. It happens. The broke, tattooed deadbeat guy who might get laid isn't indicative of men at large.

The women who the broke, tattooed deadbeat guys are fuccking are often cashiers at Walmart, Dollar General, McDonald's, and Burger King. These aren't great women either. Careerist women aren't typically fuccking the broke, deadbeat guy working at a scrap yard, cooking meals at Denny's, or working construction.

The more typical guy is some invisible white collar or blue collar/McJob type guy. Since I exist more in white collar spaces, I have seen many more invisible white collar type guys than invisible blue collar/McJob guys. Both men exist. There are men working some office job while swiping away on Tinder/Bumble/Hinge, getting matches on less than 1% of swipes, and getting few actual dates from the apps. The few dates they have are often "one date, no sex, no second date". That's a common experience on the swipe apps. It's a harsh, very negative cycle.

Part of the solution is engaging in behaviors that will adapt to women's changing tastes.



There's not a full solution to this but there are partial solutions that men can enact at an individual level that can help. Men who do these things will experience varied results.

Part of the solution is Game study and behaving in a way that women find attractive.

Men must prioritize physical fitness. That's a part of a healthy lifestyle.

Men must avoid pornography, masturbation, and OnlyFans simping at a minimum.

I would recommend most men avoid the swipe apps, but a small percentage of men can succeed on swipe apps. Most men will have a better experience in dating by using social circle means or in-person approaching means in order to arrange their dates. They'll be prepared for this through Game study and an exercise centered lifestyle.

Minimizing use of the main leisure social media platforms (Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter) is a good idea. White collar men will often need to use LinkedIn. LinkedIn has become more a toxic soup in the last 5 years. Many toxic, feminist, careerist women post on LinkedIn while displaying their 'She/Her' pronouns. 'She/Her' pronouns are virtue signaling for the typical woman on LinkedIn.

In describing my solution thus far, I have emphasized looks above all. The looks factor is the most important factor today in attracting-seducing women. However, men can succeed without optimized looks. It will take a lot of money to do so in most cases. Some men have enough money to impress women. Using money to impress women is a more difficult spot in Game so I recommend men emphasize looks and personality over money and status.
We've discussed this before many times. The point is that the average man in today's world has to put in substantially more work than his male equivalent in previous generations to have the same experience in the dating market. I also tied this in with economic factors as well. It's substantially harder to become a home owner living a middle class lifestyle than it was for previous generations.

I agree with your comment about money and status though, I feel it's a very dangerous game for a man to try to play. The reality is that the vast majority of men are going to be nowhere near the earning potential to ever truly be able to pull something like that off. You'd literally have to have celebrity or pro athlete status in order to impress women with something like this. From what I've seen, many men try to emulate this style of game but by doing so they can risk their financial future for sure. It's like a "keeping up with the Jones'" mentality or needing to always have the newest car, clothes, etc. High amounts of credit card debt and spending money that'd be better off invested can put severely put you back. I also think a huge issue with this style of "game" is that you are attracting women into your life that you really shouldn't want around. Again, in order to keep these women around you'd have to keep spending and spending, it would basically create a never ending cycle. Worst case scenario is marrying a woman like this and you are stuck with that for life lol.
 

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I am not black pilled. But I think Ops thesis holds. In general, A man does have to put in more work than before only to get a less attractive woman.
I don't consider myself black pill or any of that either. That youtube short I linked was honestly more for fun lol, her reaction to what he was saying was hilarious. With that said, the premise of what was being discussed on there and on this thread holds a lot of truth to it.
 
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