Phoenix_of_the_ashes
Master Don Juan
Dont you people think that its a sign of huge dysfunctionality when somebody needs seminars, books and videos in order to normally interact with members of the opposite sex?
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
Your opinion on the "seduction community"
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Skydiver43127
Senior Don Juan
Yup, that's correct. Regretably, most people with that dysfunctionality are too afraid to come here and will never be cured. 
Its not disfunctional to recognize that you have a problem and are taking steps to correct it
Some people are naturally good with women and some aren't The real disfunctinality is not taking steps to correct the problem. If it takes this site and some books, then so bo it.
Some people are naturally good with women and some aren't The real disfunctinality is not taking steps to correct the problem. If it takes this site and some books, then so bo it.
Tomatoes
Master Don Juan
A fear of rejection is just like a fear of hights.......I dont see how you can critise one and not the other.....Its a fear all the same and can be cured all the same
Maybe it is. However its also dysfunctional when guys use the nice guy routine to manipulate women into having sex with them. Not only does the community teach you to interact with members of the opposite sex but how to deal with people in general.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
When you are not attracting and dating any hot babes at all, you are already dysfunctional and it is better to do something about it, rather than do nothing and never get to have any success with hot babes at all.
I am prepared to give anything a go in order to see if it works for me or not, many things that I have read in these dating books have worked and others have not, but I am much better off now for the tips that have worked for me.
I love to study the psychology of the hot babes mind, plus I love to work on my own psychological powers.
These days I can always date a hot babe whenever I desire to because of the things that I have learnt through dating and self help books and tapes.
Good looks are important to have but they are not everything when it comes to attracting the hot babes, it does get you in the door a lot quicker than if you are an ugly guy, but then your personality has to take you through to the attaining of the hot babes.
I was a loser with the hot babes before I began to learn the psychology that I required to win them over.
I learnt to project positive affirmations about myself into my mind, I began to feel a lot more confident around the hot babes, I became successful in all other areas of my life, and I learnt all of this through my reading.
I changed my voice to speak deeper, I began to approach hot babes with confidence, I began to look them in the eyes when I spoke to them, I began to accept the fact that not every hot babe in the world was going to desire me, and if one rejected my proposal for a date I just forgot about her and I moved on to another hot babe.
It is important to learn and I am very happy that I did, had I not read these books I would have continued to be a good guy without any success with the hot babes.
I have learnt to transform myself into the prize, walk into a room full of hot babes as if I was the King, and display the confidence I required to impress them and win them over.
There is nothing wrong with trying to change yourself if things are not going the way that you desire them to be going.
I am prepared to give anything a go in order to see if it works for me or not, many things that I have read in these dating books have worked and others have not, but I am much better off now for the tips that have worked for me.
I love to study the psychology of the hot babes mind, plus I love to work on my own psychological powers.
These days I can always date a hot babe whenever I desire to because of the things that I have learnt through dating and self help books and tapes.
Good looks are important to have but they are not everything when it comes to attracting the hot babes, it does get you in the door a lot quicker than if you are an ugly guy, but then your personality has to take you through to the attaining of the hot babes.
I was a loser with the hot babes before I began to learn the psychology that I required to win them over.
I learnt to project positive affirmations about myself into my mind, I began to feel a lot more confident around the hot babes, I became successful in all other areas of my life, and I learnt all of this through my reading.
I changed my voice to speak deeper, I began to approach hot babes with confidence, I began to look them in the eyes when I spoke to them, I began to accept the fact that not every hot babe in the world was going to desire me, and if one rejected my proposal for a date I just forgot about her and I moved on to another hot babe.
It is important to learn and I am very happy that I did, had I not read these books I would have continued to be a good guy without any success with the hot babes.
I have learnt to transform myself into the prize, walk into a room full of hot babes as if I was the King, and display the confidence I required to impress them and win them over.
There is nothing wrong with trying to change yourself if things are not going the way that you desire them to be going.
The seduction community preys on dysfunctional and insecure guys and the gurus sell HOPE not SOLUTIONS.
Thank god for sites like this that are free and have a wealth of experience along side the sh*tload of theory you would find in seminars and books.
Thank god for sites like this that are free and have a wealth of experience along side the sh*tload of theory you would find in seminars and books.
Albanian_Alpha
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40 years ago we wouldn't need this, PERIOD!:cuss: (because of today's wussyfication of course)Phoenix_of_the_ashes said:
Big Eee Zee
Master Don Juan
what do I think of the seduction community?
well, im always badmouthing it, saying that i dont like surfing from chick to chick, and im always extolling the virtues of not cheating, and finding one girl and putting all your attention into her etc...
but I know, for a fact, that as soon as she leaves me, im gonna come crawling back, like always, and i'll re-learn what i forgot and re-read the DJ bible.
You can try to fight it all you want, but in your time of need its always there, helping you along. I think that its definately good.
and no, reading on how to be good at something isnt dysfunctional. i think the saddest thing is that this kind of stuff works on 90% of females. i think thats why we have so little respect for them sometimes, cause there doesnt seem to be much below the surface there...
well, im always badmouthing it, saying that i dont like surfing from chick to chick, and im always extolling the virtues of not cheating, and finding one girl and putting all your attention into her etc...
but I know, for a fact, that as soon as she leaves me, im gonna come crawling back, like always, and i'll re-learn what i forgot and re-read the DJ bible.
You can try to fight it all you want, but in your time of need its always there, helping you along. I think that its definately good.
and no, reading on how to be good at something isnt dysfunctional. i think the saddest thing is that this kind of stuff works on 90% of females. i think thats why we have so little respect for them sometimes, cause there doesnt seem to be much below the surface there...
You need to appreciate that cold pickups and same night lays aren't normal. 90% of the male population has *never* done a cold pickup and never fcuked a girl the same night he met her.
The seduction community isn;t teaching guys how to be 'normal' it;s teaching guys how to do stuff way byond what most people can do.
The seduction community isn;t teaching guys how to be 'normal' it;s teaching guys how to do stuff way byond what most people can do.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Chosen1
Master Don Juan
the turth is i want to take a seduction workshop notnot to get better with women but to get out and meet new people if they get me to approach and teach me new things that's just a bonus but i guess i must be stupid if i pay thousands of dollars to meet people
One a guy actually starts getting good with girls he suddenly leaves the seduction community. This is because it's a bunch of bull****.
A bunch of geeks theorizing how to effect women's emotions and warp their minds are not only very creepy but extremley bad at it as well.
Once they gain the confidence through the experience they leave with actual charisma and a life. It's best to skip the whole thing and just get a life. The whole "gaming" girls will happen naturally though humor and confidence.
A bunch of geeks theorizing how to effect women's emotions and warp their minds are not only very creepy but extremley bad at it as well.
Once they gain the confidence through the experience they leave with actual charisma and a life. It's best to skip the whole thing and just get a life. The whole "gaming" girls will happen naturally though humor and confidence.
People come here with a problem with getting women. They find a way to solve it and some stay and just turn off their emotions and leave with bigger problems. I bet the AFC was way happier madly in love than the cold playa who repress those feelings.
The seduction community is a joke, pathetic losers who gang up, sharing some lines and secret techniques, badmouthing women and waste their lives trying to prove who is the best "playa" to supplicate to a woman.
The seduction community is a joke, pathetic losers who gang up, sharing some lines and secret techniques, badmouthing women and waste their lives trying to prove who is the best "playa" to supplicate to a woman.
diplomatic_lies
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People who laugh at you for trying to improve your social skills, are losers themselves. Their insecurity at their own loser-ness is what causes them to make fun of you.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Well said! I agree with every word!Bvbidd said:
Drop all the manipulation crap, go get a life and gain experience and it will all come together naturally!
More wise words!!Lifeforce said:
This stuff can really fvck up your head and make you bitter, cynical and also quite delusional!
In Lifeforce's defence, he posts mostly in the health and fitness forum on his lifting log and is one of the guys here who has made incredible transformations!Slevin said:
Also, a lot of posters here (myself being a prime example) go through all the material from the seduction community we can find before realising that it did more harm than good and finally wisening up.
Chosen1
Master Don Juan
i have a question? is there anything wrong to going to a guru who is known as a good guy like i want to take a juggler course and also badboy and maybe mystery workshop i figure hey if they can pass on some of their skills to me then so much the better and i probably won't improve on my own because i don't know what to do to improve
Something is wrong, but I don't know what. Even the word "dysfunctional" didn't even freaking exist in its modern usage until just recently. I think the seduction community is just one of the thousands of offshoots of the self-help community.
I think we have some mixed messages/goals here which, personally I don't think either is all that bad:
1) How to improve your relationships with women (albeit, redefining how you interact withe them). Some of this is can appear as pure manipulation, but like any tool, it can be misused. I think some of the guru's have done a pretty good job in cautioning against manipulation and underscore the fun side of "playing the game".
2) Improving yourself and you will naturally be better with not only women, but everyone. I think that "re-masculinizing" yourself falls here as my opinion is we have lost touch with or ALLOWED ourselves to lose touch with our masculinity amid the overwhelming flood of a feminized society.
Hell, I think this site is helping to redefine the very meaning of what it is to be masculine. The previous definition was written by WOMEN! (you know, people like Phil Donahue and Dr. Phil). LOL
Of course, it being the Christian sabbath get out your bible and turn to the book of Pook: its (mostly) all in there!
I think we have some mixed messages/goals here which, personally I don't think either is all that bad:
1) How to improve your relationships with women (albeit, redefining how you interact withe them). Some of this is can appear as pure manipulation, but like any tool, it can be misused. I think some of the guru's have done a pretty good job in cautioning against manipulation and underscore the fun side of "playing the game".
2) Improving yourself and you will naturally be better with not only women, but everyone. I think that "re-masculinizing" yourself falls here as my opinion is we have lost touch with or ALLOWED ourselves to lose touch with our masculinity amid the overwhelming flood of a feminized society.
Hell, I think this site is helping to redefine the very meaning of what it is to be masculine. The previous definition was written by WOMEN! (you know, people like Phil Donahue and Dr. Phil). LOL
Of course, it being the Christian sabbath get out your bible and turn to the book of Pook: its (mostly) all in there!
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.