"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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You don't need God-tier looks to succeed at online dating

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I designed the profile to eliminate (offend) the types I didn't want and to attract the ones I wanted. It worked.

Elaborate.
Common interests are overrated. I like me a lady who hates the same things that I hate.

Not even joking! That kind of schtick can establish a connection very quickly.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Wilko love this analysis I've said it for years for guys who live in small towns OLD is rough, I went to Chicago and did OLD and it was like shooting fish in a barrel so many women
 
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I've always said if some dude is doing something that works it works. Try it for yourselves.

Though in regards to OLD the vast majority of the chicks are complete trash. Heard more than enough directly from them to ever bother with it again.
 

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Just applied that text about the 50 bucks on my online apps and just got matched with a transsexual, looking onwards and upwards so far :)
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I killed it on OLD and I don't think I'm great looking...I had a kick ass body tho...
 

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I'm great looking and I have great success on OLD. ;)

On a more helpful note: Pics do not portray your actual attractiveness. Among two-dimensions, distance, angles, lighting, shadows, et al., one could be great looking in person and photogenically horrible--or contrariwise.

That's why I advocate taking hundreds of pics at different angles and lighting and get your pics objectively rated on sites like photofeeler.com before placing them on OLD.
 
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Yup & yup. Gonna use that as a jumping off point:

I think it works so well because it's just the right amount of of qualification. The standards aren't extreme enough to make me look like a delusional douchebag who's out of touch with his own SMV (I'm looking at you basic b*tches). But they're exclusive enough to make the girls who do meet the criteria, feel like they've won something, i.e. they're made to feel that they're better than other women.

I'll pick up on scarcity again. I've noticed that the best performing profiles have always been short, like really short. Long, meandering profiles reek of desperation and over-investment (says the guy posting about OLD on a seduction forum, bwahaha). Brevity is a rare skill. Protip: don't write about yourself, write about stuff.

Edit: Third reason, and maybe the most important. She doesn't have to think of an opener, I've made it incredibly easy for her to initiate. Man, you guys think there's some spergy behaviour on this forum, you should see most women trying to initiate a conversation on Bumble.
Totally agree.

I think another factor is specialization. Most guys try to be "general" as to not offend any woman. The logic behind that is you will have more chances with more women if you offend none of them. The downside to that approach is you don't create emotion or grab unique attention either. A more risky profile will offend some women, BUT the ones you attract will have HIGHER INTEREST in you.. making your job much easier.
 

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Totally agree.

I think another factor is specialization. Most guys try to be "general" as to not offend any woman. The logic behind that is you will have more chances with more women if you offend none of them. The downside to that approach is you don't create emotion or grab unique attention either. A more risky profile will offend some women, BUT the ones you attract will have HIGHER INTEREST in you.. making your job much easier.
Wrap it up, we're done here! Very well put.
 

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A more risky profile will offend some women, BUT the ones you attract will have HIGHER INTEREST in you.. making your job much easier.
I like the non-generalization. Who you are offline should match who are online. You should be 100% authentic you. Lying your way about money, height, etc. will all be put to the test in the real life meeting.

In the end, they will see through all guises.

Remaining authentic is another way to filter/screen out potential low IL.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Nip. Not on first or second meeting. You can be vegan feral, Captain America, Sherlock Holmes WTF your best fake persona is. I proved this when I was in my late 30s with half a dozen fake dating profiles. The chicks eventually ejected 6 to 8 weeks down the track. But by then I'd had the pleasure of their company and pink bits many times. So much for the supernatural intuition of woman.
 
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Nip. Not on first or second meeting. You can be vegan feral, Captain America, Sherlock Holmes WTF your best fake persona is. I proved this when I was in my late 30s with half a dozen fake dating profiles. The chicks eventually ejected 6 to 8 weeks down the track. But by then I'd had the pleasure of their company and pink bits many times. So much for the supernatural intuition of woman.
That's SO MUCH better than paying them!

Just lie!
 

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Well I guess it would b lying if I didn't have all those facets to my personality. In my case it was just exaggeration. There is no fairness in the dating market froggy. Those same girls have plenty of orbiterswho believe they will get the puss one day
 
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So is that a slightly overweight girl from the back and can't tell what her face looks like?

Is she a drug addict?

Plus, what kind of girl just goes around ****ing random guys unless she's a wh0re, which is actually a good percentage of the population.

She didn't want anything more from you? No relationship? No nothing? If she wanted more from you and you gave it to her, then you would be giving her more than just $150.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Wow kid u really need to get back on your meds. Actually that s my current g/f hence nothing identifiable. You are right about one thing she was slightly roly poly at the time. She's probably lost about 15 Pounds since and has a very enjoyable yoga butt.

So what's serious work are you doing kid to fix your personality issues? You don't exactly seem Mr happy or stable
 

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> Ugghh. Be the OP.
> Get five new "pay up sucka!" messages every day.
> Start to despair at thot's lack of imagination.
> Write brilliantly ironic new profile:


Cue "Goodbye Horses".

Would you date me?

I'd date me.

I'd date me hard.

I'd date me so hard.


> Not a peep - subtle satire is wasted on basics.
> Go back to "fifty bucks".
> Thots love it.
> The abyss stares back.
 

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Totally agree.

I think another factor is specialization. Most guys try to be "general" as to not offend any woman. The logic behind that is you will have more chances with more women if you offend none of them. The downside to that approach is you don't create emotion or grab unique attention either. A more risky profile will offend some women, BUT the ones you attract will have HIGHER INTEREST in you.. making your job much easier.
I used to use a profile that talked about the various types of women on OLD in a comical manner and told them only contact me if they were a number 5 or a number 7(one was "normal" and the other was something else, I can't remember what I put)...they freaking LOVED that and I used to get tons of messages telling me they literally were almost crying laughing and it was one of the funniest profiles they have ever seen even though it was mostly true at the same time...
Made my work so much easier, got them to come to me.
 
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