"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Yep, I still got it. LOL

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OK, so I was at Gap shopping for some casual clothing & I saw this HB8.5 that was in her late 30's or so who was trying on two coats. I watched her for a bit from a safe distance as she checked herself in a mirror & tried on a white coat & then a purple coat. I thought it would be fun to see if my game was still good, so I approach her & the converstaion went something like this:

Me: "You should get the white one." She turns around, smiles & looks me up and down.
Her: "You really think so?"
Me: I threw out a little bit of a neg and said "Yeah, the purple just isn't too flattering on you."
Her: "Oh, I was maybe thinking the same thing too, but I just can't decide."
Me: "The white one really compliments your complexion."
Her: Smiles "Thanks."
Me: I hand her the white coat "Here, try the white one on again." I help her put the coat on and put my hands on her shoulders (a little kino).
Her: "So you think this is the one huh?"
Me: "Definitely, you look very classy in it."
Her: Kinos me back by touching my arm "Think I'll get it, thanks for helping me decide, you're very nice & you have a sense of style, I like that."
Me: "Your welcome, glad I could help, take care." I smile at her & walk away.

She seemed disappointed that I bailed, but I'm married of course. A # close would have been a sure thing in this situation. It was nice knowing that my game hasn't become rusty, it helps me wing with my friends.

This is a good example for some of you here, if you see a HB in the store trying things on in a mirror, go up and giver her your opinion. :up:
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Thats actually very sweet, and probably put a bounce in her step for the rest of the day.
 

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lol i wonder what your wife would think about you posting this thread... Furthermore i wonder what she would think about you being on a forum that was designed to help guys pick up chicks
 

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Don't flatter yourself. Yes, you made her day, but that's just because you were non threatening and it didn't appear that you were hitting on her. If you had went for the number she would have said "I appreciate your help, but I kind of have a boyfriend/married."
 

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Prodigy746 said:
lol i wonder what your wife would think about you posting this thread... Furthermore i wonder what she would think about you being on a forum that was designed to help guys pick up chicks
Haha, she'd be proud of me for not trying to hook up.

She knows I go out w/friends & try to help them when it comes to picking up women.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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nilescrane said:
Don't flatter yourself. Yes, you made her day, but that's just because you were non threatening and it didn't appear that you were hitting on her. If you had went for the number she would have said "I appreciate your help, but I kind of have a boyfriend/married."
Hahaha Laughing my ass off..........This is an awesome statement. This is what happens in "real life" once the guy goes from "opinion" to "hittin on" a woman. I love your response dude, some people will say you are negative, I say you are a realist. You are a smart cat. Hahaha I am seriously on the ground laughing..................So true to life.....This guy doesn't realize what happens in real life.......Although what he did is cool and all and it's a good pick up line.... hahaha usually the girl responds EXACTLY as Niles put it............Right on brother...
 

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nilescrane said:
Don't flatter yourself. Yes, you made her day, but that's just because you were non threatening and it didn't appear that you were hitting on her. If you had went for the number she would have said "I appreciate your help, but I kind of have a boyfriend/married."
How would you know? Were you there? :rolleyes:

I could have had her # quite easily.
 

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I do quite a few cold approaches and get many numbers from them. nilescrane and trent are right. That's a typical Nice Guy opinion opener that will lead nowhere. Zero sexual tension, non-threatening, full of compliments, pedestalising the woman all the way through to the end "You're welcome, glad I could help, take care". Sorry old dude, your game is seriously rusty. Next time, if you're testing game, at least go for the number close and arrange a date (bail if you want). Just merely talking to women means sweet fvck all.

Opinion openers work just fine but for cold approaches, it is the non-verbal part (eye contact, smile, body language, the walk up etc) just prior to your opening your mouth that matters. It signifies that you have sexual / romantic intention and are not apologising for it nor pretending to hide it. Then the verbal part has to match that with the right amount of playfulness (some call it C&F) and sexiness (aka charm).
 

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Wow the haters are out in full force today.

FYI, I've never had an opinion opener backfire on me. If played right, they can be quite successful. Keep in mind, this lady was maybe in her late 30's. By this time most women have seen EVERY type of "come on" and they're keen to the game so to say, so it's safer to be a littlebit non-threatening with them. That's better than coming off as being really creepy.
 

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Nobody's hating - just pointing out the obvious. You gave a late 30s woman (way past it) a few compliments and she said some nice things back. Big whoop. And you got no number.

Save the "creepy" BS for the likes of Loveshack.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Jitterbug said:
Nobody's hating - just pointing out the obvious. You gave a late 30s woman (way past it) a few compliments and she said some nice things back. Big whoop. And you got no number.

Save the "creepy" BS for the likes of Loveshack.
Well I didn't need the #, so no big deal.

As far as "creepy" goes, I've read some posts talking about interactions with women that would make a lot of women either want to slap them or run for the nearest exit. It's easier than most realize to come off as creepy, I've interacted with a few women that were in my time.

One I can remember quite well was years ago this girl told me about how she was fascinated with vampires. I was like "Uhh OK, whatever." Then later she asks if she could drink my blood & she was dead serious. I got up & left her room & she was like "Hey where u goin?" I told her "To go find my wooden stake." :crackup:
 

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Haha wouw amazing, but too bad for her that you bailed out on her although good you is loyal to your wife.
 

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Haha wouw amazing, but too bad for her that you bailed out on her although good you is loyal to your wife.
Haha yeah, she's pretty lucky.

Wonder what would have happened if things went different?

Her: Hey honey, what did you end up getting at The Gap?
Me: Oh, a sweater or two, few pairs of pants, and this hot chick's #.
Her: :trouble:
 

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She was late 30s, likely married with children. The OP is right, any other approach would have been creepy. I've seen it happen first-hand. But a "player" approach would have been even worse. She just would have left the store and went home and told her husband "some creepy guy like on that show on vh1 tried to hit on me" then they laugh about it and have sex.
 

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I didn't notice a rock on her hand & I didn't have my ring on b/c I had been working on an electrical panel earlier that day, so she may have been single.

Who knows, doubt I'll run across her again.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

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Jitterbug said:
Nobody's hating - just pointing out the obvious.
AGREED.


Niles and the others weren't hating on you,they were just being realistic like Trent said.


You didn't really do anything. In fact,in the beginning,it almost seemed like a woman giving her friend advice on what to wear.



The reaction you got from her would be the same that any guy would get by complimenting a woman. Her reaction of telling you that you were "very nice" should have been a clue to that.




It's easy to tell there was nothing here. You know why?




Because there was no chance of rejection. Dating is two people getting involved in each other's lives. You didn't do or say anything that would imply that you wanted the interaction to go any farther than just that one moment.



You didn't do anything. All you did was give her a compliment.

Women don't reject compliments,even from guys they have absolutely no interest in.




If you don't believe us guys,then check out Cinamon's reply in reply #3.



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Cinamon said:
That's actually very sweet,and probably put a bounce in her step for the rest of the day.




This lady told you that you were very nice,and Cinamon said that what you did was very sweet.





Now look,wherever the adverb "very" is thrown around with the words "sweet" or "nice",you're headed for friendzone city.





I don't know about you,but when I approach a girl,my goal isn't to "put a bounce in her step". What good to me does her having a bounce in her step do if I don't get a date out of the situation?





You got "ego" and "attraction" mixed up. You pumped up her ego,not generated any attraction in her towards you.
 

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Alright maybe I shouldn't have called u guys haters, I'm just cranky this AM.

If I stroked her ego then that's cool, everyone needs a little of that every now and then. She stroked mine a bit too by telling me I had a good sense of style.

The way she looked at me & the way she touched my arm was pretty flirty I must say tho.

I should have told her that I normally shop at nicer places tho haha.
 

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You did nothing wrong. But just realize that us single guys go through stuff like this everyday. We do exactly what you did and 99 percent of the time she says "oh, you're so sweet, but I have a boyfriend". It's extremely difficult to pull off unless you are very handsome. It's a tough world out there......Especially for single guys.....
 

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Nice. Good idea.
 

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Igetit! said:
AGREED.







This lady told you that you were very nice,and Cinamon said that what you did was very sweet.





Now look,wherever the adverb "very" is thrown around with the words "sweet" or "nice",you're headed for friendzone city.



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I dont think the word very friendzones people. The guy i was on a date with last night, who i would say is very nice and very sweet, got more action than someone who had been friendzoned would. Some people just use words such as very alot.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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