"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Originally posted by insidious
Hey man, I came SO very close to getting killed a few months ago. I was in a coma.

A few more inches either way, I wouldn't be sitting here piping in on this height thread.

I'm doing good now. My perspective was knocked into reality after what I went through. I'm alive, and I'm gonna take this life by the horns.

I'm short? Boo hoo, geez whiz, what will I do :eek: Whatever the case, I've earned my stripes lately and there is no sucker in the world who's gonna bring me down cause they are several inches taller than me.
this guy has the right attitude. I'm 6 feet myself, but I happen to know that height is the one thing no surgery or anything else can change, so there really is no point in getting hungup aboutit. I have a mate whos short AND ugly but with a killer personality and he ges a lotta girls. You just gotta work with what you were given.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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actually their is a surgery to increase height, its called limb lengthening, you can gain up to 3 inches, I read about it in some health magazine, I would never try it though unless you wanna be in extreme pain and in a wheel chair for a year.
 

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It's definately all based on the individual. I know short people who do well for themselves, and one's that suck. It really depends on a number of factors.

I can't really answer for people on this board who are short as I'm 5'9 1/2 (was measured 2 weeks ago for a pre-op surgery appt) but I do have some experience knowing what it was like.

I was born with a heart problem and I was always one of the shortest kids in my class when I was younger. After my last heart surgery though, I grew about 7 inches. I remeber being self conscious and picked on a bit back then for it. Yeah, maybe it's slightly harder for people to work their way up in the world being shorter, but that's if your always worrying about it. People sense if you're an insecure bastard, and who thinks highly of an insecure person? Just enjoy who you are.

My dad for example seems to never be happy. He's 6'1, wished he was 6'3 or 4. VERY strong and ripped, but pushes harder to become a bit more so. Personally..I really don't give a ****. I'm average height and weight and would change nothing about my size, even if I were given the opprtunity to. It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things if you carry yourself well.

And the comments about good looking vs non good looking. I agree that shorter guys who are above average looking do better than slighty taller guys who aren't. So instead of whining about how you're short and find it harder to pick up women, why don't you try improving how you look. It will do wonders for your confidence. I can speak from experience here.

I used to hate how I looked. I was born wih a cleft lip and pallate so my lip is a little different. But I worked on myself a bit, lost the glasses, got a rhinoplasty, and honestly it really does do wonders for your confidence. I also worked on my grooming too, not obsessively, but make sure I'm meticulate about it. Now I get told all the time I look great, I'm no longer overly worried about it, and it shows.

Guys..What I'm really trying to say is everyone's self conscious about something. Whether it be size, looks, or whatever. Instead of complaining about it. Do something. Accomplishing something along the lines of making yourself feel better is an amazing feeling, and very rewarding in the end.

Yes, with regards to height you might be SOL, but work on improving how you look, your knowledge on something, Innergame.

I personally find that inner game controls your ******d appearance. If you're comfortable in your shoes, you'll be confident, relaxed, and just better off in general. Girls will notice your confidence and definately be more receptive as a result. Guys will repect you a lot more as you're not unpleasant and trying to be someone you're not.

Last thing. If a girl rejects you just because you're "short"..do you think she'd be worth keeping anyways???
 

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Originally posted by Le Parisien


- Being short doesn't excuse you from being fit. Personnaly I don't recommend becoming real bulk, because that would be a kind of overcompensation. I've seen girls laughing at some anaesthetically overly muscular short guys. Trust me, it's a NO NO.

this is the only place I've ever heard of people claiming that girls laugh at guys that are short and muscular

Muscular guys get respect from other guys and are desired by HOT women from what I've seen. The only girls that seem to act like they don't like muscular guys are girls that never would've stood a chance with the muscular guy. If you don't use drugs I can't imagine anybody thinking you look too big other than those suicidal goth chicks that think Marilyn Manson is hot.

as for overcompensation, the same thing could be said about any girl that wears makeup

if we used their logic every girl is trying to compensate for an ugly face by wearing makeup
:rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by Silverback82
this is the only place I've ever heard of people claiming that girls laugh at guys that are short and muscular

Muscular guys get respect from other guys and are desired by HOT women from what I've seen. The only girls that seem to act like they don't like muscular guys are girls that never would've stood a chance with the muscular guy. If you don't use drugs I can't imagine anybody thinking you look too big other than those suicidal goth chicks that think Marilyn Manson is hot.

as for overcompensation, the same thing could be said about any girl that wears makeup

if we used their logic every girl is trying to compensate for an ugly face by wearing makeup
:rolleyes:
Yeah and I don't like girls who use too much make-up.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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If you get really muscular, she will have a tough time arguing about how short guys cannot offer protection :D .

Some girls even have a fetish for short guys, and yes I do know one with it.
 

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Originally posted by TubularBells28
If you get really muscular, she will have a tough time arguing about how short guys cannot offer protection :D .

Some girls even have a fetish for short guys, and yes I do know one with it.
describe her please
 

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Originally posted by Silverback82
this is the only place I've ever heard of people claiming that girls laugh at guys that are short and muscular

Muscular guys get respect from other guys and are desired by HOT women from what I've seen. The only girls that seem to act like they don't like muscular guys are girls that never would've stood a chance with the muscular guy. If you don't use drugs I can't imagine anybody thinking you look too big other than those suicidal goth chicks that think Marilyn Manson is hot.

as for overcompensation, the same thing could be said about any girl that wears makeup

if we used their logic every girl is trying to compensate for an ugly face by wearing makeup
:rolleyes:
Sorry I didn't make myself clear, I didn't mean people laughed at short muscular guys, but rather overly, unaesthetically muscular guys in general.

I especially remember this one time (almost two years ago and I still can remember, so just imagine how much "impression" the guy made), one short guy who just walked into the club was SO muscular that it was impossible for him to "let his arms down". I don't know if you see what I mean. Kinda hard to explain.
Imagine someone 5'5 with arms like this

Everybody was looking at him.
Trust me, the look was NOT of admiration, but rather as if it was some freak show.

Again, being Marylin Manson like would be much creepier:D

Talking about girl and make-up. Personally I don't like girls who wear heavy make-up. I prefer the natural look, or the natural look make-up style.:D

And I would say yes, girls who are overdoing make-up on their face are trying to overcompensate something, either their lack of attractiveness, or their low self-esteem (attempt of attention who**ing).
 

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TWO HINTS

1. buy some stylish boots which give you a couple of inches.

2. stop wasting your time wading through 7 page threads and get out into the field.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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James Dean 172cm tall (5'7)

Tom Cruise 170cm tall (5'7)

Al Pacino 170cm tall (5'7)

Humphrey Bogart 172cm (5'7)

Mark Wahlberg 172cml (5'7)

Dustin Hoffman 168cm (5'6)


......i rest my case.
 

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Originally posted by fyrefly
James Dean 172cm tall (5'7)

Tom Cruise 170cm tall (5'7)

Al Pacino 170cm tall (5'7)

Humphrey Bogart 172cm (5'7)

Mark Wahlberg 172cml (5'7)

Dustin Hoffman 168cm (5'6)


......i rest my case.
What is your case? That there are famous short guys? Wow. Ok, let me help you with that:

Verne Troyer (mini-me) 2'8"

Case dismissed.
 

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My point was that those six are regarded as some of the most attractive men of the last 50 years and they're all under 6 feet tall, and i know you understood the point jackass, you just wanted to take a cheap swipe at me so next time don't waste mine or everybody's elses time and take your negative spite and shove it up your ass.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Originally posted by fyrefly
My point was that those six are regarded as some of the most attractive men of the last 50 years and they're all under 6 feet tall, and i know you understood the point jackass, you just wanted to take a cheap swipe at me so next time don't waste mine or everybody's elses time and take your negative spite and shove it up your ass.
Originally posted by Silverback82
mini me married a 6'0 tall model

proof that status and fame > looks
I'll admit that was a cheap swipe... but the thing is that a lot of you people are hung up on height. No reason to dwell about things you cannot change.
 

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I hate to be blunt but if you are short and not good looking then forget it because no woman anywhere will ever take a second look at you.

Just ask Neil Strauss!
 

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James Dean, Humphrey Bogart, and Tom Cruise all have one thing in common

Attitude.

Watch

The Big Sleep
Rebel Without A Cause
Top Gun


the guys are all 5'7, but they're cool with who they are, they're relaxed, they're smooth, they're comfortable. The way Humphrey Bogart always looks as if he knows what's going on, the way he talks to people, how James Dean doesn't seem phased by whatever is going on, how nothing can ruin Tom Cruise's confidence in himself. Watch the movies and you'll understand.

The shortness of these guys never stopped them getting chicks, although it is in the movie, the way they pull girls is just awesome, they're not insecure at all, they are pure confidence and calm. If you've seen the movies you'll understand, Humphrey Bogart could talk a 6 foot woman into bed i reckon.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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