WTF is happening in Europe

[Bible_Belt]

http://tribunist.com/news/a-17-year...a-rapist-now-shes-being-charged-with-a-crime/

A 17-year-old girl managed to escape being raped by fighting off her attacker as he ripped off her clothing. Now police say she will be charged with a crime for defending herself.

The teenager was attacked around 10p.m. by a dark-skinned man in central Sønderborg, Denmark.

She told police her attacker struck her, threw her to the ground and began forcibly removing her clothes.

Using a canister of pepper spray, the 17-year-old was able to fight him off and escape the attack.

Now that tool of self defense is going to leave her as the only person charged with a crime in the incident.

“It is illegal to possess and use pepper spray, so she will likely be charged for that,” local police spokesman Knud Kirsten said, as cited by TV Syd.

 

[AttackFormation]

http://tribunist.com/news/a-17-year...a-rapist-now-shes-being-charged-with-a-crime/

A 17-year-old girl managed to escape being raped by fighting off her attacker as he ripped off her clothing. Now police say she will be charged with a crime for defending herself.

The teenager was attacked around 10p.m. by a dark-skinned man in central Sønderborg, Denmark.

She told police her attacker struck her, threw her to the ground and began forcibly removing her clothes.

Using a canister of pepper spray, the 17-year-old was able to fight him off and escape the attack.

Now that tool of self defense is going to leave her as the only person charged with a crime in the incident.

“It is illegal to possess and use pepper spray, so she will likely be charged for that,” local police spokesman Knud Kirsten said, as cited by TV Syd.

Denmark is typically held up as "better" than Sweden in these regards, by Danes themselves. Funny then that this happens in their country.

 

[speed dawg]

KingofPuss has pretty much covered most everything regards to minimum wage that I would have posted, so I won't re-enter that one. I'll just say that people are responsible for themselves. These corporations that people say are so evil, are creating jobs, creating an economy, and creating money to be spent in that economy. For capitalism to work, there needs to be a healthy FEAR in order to motivate people to work. Fear is one of the greatest motivators there has ever been.

I'm sorry that you're stuck in the middle class. It's unfortunate that you get the brunt of the ****storm no matter what, but in my opinion, you have it worse the way it is now.

Don't start with the shaming, discussion has been too good (and without lib-tard interference) up until now. In no way am I 'sorry' or unhappy for being in the middle class. That's ludicrous and doesn't fly. Leave those retorts to Jaylan and the like.

 

[Who Dares Win]

The situation can be summed like this.

2012
southern europe: "we're invaded we cannot take all this people they are nothing but problems"
German-led european union: "shut up, dont be racist, we need them to support our economy"
northern europe: "those southern bigots, they are ignorant and fascists"

2014
southern europe: "damn we're overrun, our jails are full and our streets are no longer ours"
german-led european union: "again with that racist stuff, greece think about paying what is due to us"

2016
-german-led european union: "close the borders!!! its your fault if those illegal are raping our women, we cant stand that, how the hell did they manage to arrive here?!"
-northern europe: "enough is enough, we close all borders and load those illegals in trains and ship them back south"
-southern europe: "....."

 

[Bible_Belt]

I would love to be running a martial arts dojo in these countries right now. I bet business is great. Your government has stripped you of weapons and imported thousands of criminals...which you now have no weapons to fight. It sounds like the plot of a Bruce Lee movie. If you're in one of these countries, now is the best time of your life to get into martial arts. You're going to value that knowledge in the future.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

KingofPuss has pretty much covered most everything regards to minimum wage that I would have posted, so I won't re-enter that one. I'll just say that people are responsible for themselves. These corporations that people say are so evil, are creating jobs, creating an economy, and creating money to be spent in that economy. For capitalism to work, there needs to be a healthy FEAR in order to motivate people to work. Fear is one of the greatest motivators there has ever been.


Don't start with the shaming, discussion has been too good (and without lib-tard interference) up until now. In no way am I 'sorry' or unhappy for being in the middle class. That's ludicrous and doesn't fly. Leave those retorts to Jaylan and the like.

No shaming required, and that's not what I did. I used a word like "stuck" because you said "barely" (keeping up with inflation, that is.) Based on what you said, you don't want to pay any more than you already do because the 'have nots' didn't earn it, like I presume you did. I assume this means you feel like you already pay more than enough. That's a pretty common claim from the middle class, but it doesn't change the fact that a starvation wage is wrong. Who am I to say it's wrong, you ask? Well, the law is based on logic. We all have a subjective morality, and I think most reasonable people agree a slave wage is immoral. At least I believe that. By the way, I agree - it shouldn't be you paying more, the Walton family should.

I'm not a liberal. I can't stand the SJW wing of liberal progressivism. They are the worst of the worst (and this isn't a race/ethnicity affirmative action beef. I'm talking about the poor white guy.) But on the other side you have a virulent, extremist capitalist ideology coming from the Bill O'Reilly's and Sean Hannity's of the world who feel that any government oversight over this unchecked oligarchy is some sort of creeping communism. They react with disbelief when you propose they pay more taxes than the person making $7.25 an hour. It's not staying the same but getting worse for the employee, therefore it's illogical to do nothing and continue to turn a blind eye to the billionaires starving their employees. Certain jobs are getting to the point of soft slavery. I'm curious, will you support raising the minimum wage when milk is $10 a gallon? I mean why pay people at all???

If something is not done soon to reinforce checks & balances, you're going to see more and more people dropping out and getting on welfare. And guess what, no matter how thick a guilt trip the Baby Boomers give to the millenials (the ones getting the short end of the stick) about "hard work" and the "honor" you keep by staying off the dole, it's a perfectly logical decision to drop out of this rigged game.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Those countries were cucked long before the immigrants arrived.

 

[Who Dares Win]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...edish-far-right-migrant-attack-stockholm.html

Congrats, you manage to make sweden look like the balcans

Swedish far-Right mob attacks migrants in central Stockholm in wake of social worker murder
The first violent reaction by far-Right groups to the murder of Alexandra Mezher by a Somali refugee has been linked to Swedish football gangs

 

[AttackFormation]

The minimum wage is for high schoolers and college kids. It was never meant o support a family.

Thise people need to grow up and get skills, and the fole should not be there for a safety net for them.

The incentives are all fvcked up, which is why we are here today. Some blue piller liberal dreamed up unicorns and rainbows but never took human nature into account.

This is all true as long as you keep in mind the fvcked up raising that kids got and are still getting. Without effective parenting, you get sh!t. Even wild animals learn to hunt from the generation before them, let alone humans. Gotta go to the source to fix this, kids who know nothing and can't do anything are a symptom.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

The minimum wage is for high schoolers and college kids. It was never meant to support a family.

Those people need to grow up and get skills, and the dole should not be there for a safety net for them.

The incentives are all fvcked up, which is why we are here today. Some blue piller liberal dreamed up unicorns and rainbows but never took human nature into account.

Dude, I agree that these are generally low-skilled people, or people taking the easy road in the sense that they don't cultivate their skill into cash flow. But what about the person with an IQ of 75, who wasn't gifted with a particularly astute mind but is willing to put in a 40 hour week as a janitor anyway? What about the disabled man with no legs, who takes a customer service call center job?

There still has to be some oversight over corporations, because what happens when you don't have any is the great recession of 2008. If corporations could get away with it, they'd pay people zero. They already found a workaround for free labor with unpaid internships. And like I said before, they want to pay teens $4.65 in Arizona. Is this okay with you? How about $2? No one I've asked seems to want to answer this. People are appalled when you suggest $10..$12..well we have to pick a number and settle on it, unless you are willing to abolish the minimum wage altogether. In which case, be prepared to implore your fellow man to work for free.

I go back to the point I made before. If the law is based on logic, then the minimum wage should move as the cost of living moves. The property I rent at has gone up twice a year, every year for the last 5 years. I have a roommate, and pay $580 for my half - if I'd rented here three years ago that number was $390. A gallon of milk is up to $5 in some places. A 20 oz soda was $1.00 the last time we had a minimum wage increase in 2006. Here in Florida, it costs $2.03 at some gas stations now. You simply can't blame these people who are seeing the $7.25 they were making five years ago is now essentially $5, and realizing it isn't worth it for them.

Bernie Sanders is delusional on social issues. But he's right about the fact that if people are willing to work, they shouldn't be punished with a putrid $15,000 a year when they can make more on the dole to not work. Not raising the minimum wage is encouraging people to get on welfare.

 

[amazingswayze]

If you live with your parents and you have no bills to pay, there is no reason to complain. Pocket money is good for a 14 year old kid regardless in my opinion. As others have stated; minimum wage isn't meant to support adults. If you're 30 and the only place you can work is Walmart, where have you been for the last decade. People like that should have figured something out a while ago. Now I understand, the struggle is real for some people. A college degree doesn't guarantee a living in 2016 but you have to start somewhere. The only few reasons I can think of someone not attending college or getting some sort of hustle is;
Teen Pregnancy
Incarceration
Drug Addictions.
I'll be honest, I didn't put much thought into this post so forgive me if I offended you.

All I'm saying is that if there's a will, there's a way. I'm getting a bachelor's in nursing and living with my parent's until I can afford to live on my own. Some people have it way harder, I get it.

As I've said before. I don't give a sh*t about the poor because they don't give a sh*t about me. In fact, they will be benefitting off me (indirectly)

Here's an example. Me and my mom live in an apartment that costs $1800 a month. Pretty soon it will be up to $2000.

The neighbors that live under me are a 50 year old woman who doesn't work and is on welfare, and she lives with her 19 year old daughter that works at 7-11. She is on section 8 housing. (gov't assistance). They smoke hella cigarettes and we have to deal with secondhand smoke.

My other neighbors are a black lesbian couple who also pay next to nothing. They don't work either and I think they collect disability because she has a handicapped parking permit.

Still, they don't do sh*t and they get the SAME APARTMENT as us for a fraction of the price, if any.

The poor don't give a sh*t. All they do is sit there and WISH they had more money.

Anyways that's just one example.

 

[amazingswayze]

On another note, politics.

I don't care because my vote doesn't make a difference.

What power does an individual like you or me actually have?


Everyone has an agenda. Nobody knows enough to make a sound decision that will help most people. One decision that helps some will cause others to suffer.

I think health care is good but the new healthcare.gov commercials that have been airing lately are off-putting. Is this really what Obama wanted?

All that matters in my life is my success and my happiness and I'm going to pursue those things regardless of who's in the white house.

Is this about Europe or the U.S. anyways?

 

[Tictac]

All that matters in my life is my success and my happiness and I'm going to pursue those things regardless of who's in the white house.

Is this about Europe or the U.S. anyways?

Vote anyway for a third party candidate of your choice. Ross Perot (who was a douche) got 18% of the popular vote. The US got a deficit hawk President out of that - Bill Clinton (also otherwise a douche).

"Regardless" is the way to live your life"

 

[Bible_Belt]

In many salaried jobs like retail manager, it is a $30-40K middle class job...on paper. The reality is that the managers are forced to work 60-80 hour weeks. They end up making less than minimum wage on an hourly basis, less than the employees they supervise.

 

[Huffman]

Europe is unchecked socialism

Is that really what Americans think? Wow.
Most of our governments are actually right-wing conservative.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Americans know everything doncha know, they learn it from the idiot box and trust it word for word. The 1st world outside the USA is every American's worst nightmare:

No guns

Socialized healthcare

No military industrial complex.

God the humanity!!!

 

[BlueAlpha1]

If you live with your parents and you have no bills to pay, there is no reason to complain. Pocket money is good for a 14 year old kid regardless in my opinion. As others have stated; minimum wage isn't meant to support adults. If you're 30 and the only place you can work is Walmart, where have you been for the last decade. People like that should have figured something out a while ago. Now I understand, the struggle is real for some people. A college degree doesn't guarantee a living in 2016 but you have to start somewhere. The only few reasons I can think of someone not attending college or getting some sort of hustle is;
Teen Pregnancy
Incarceration
Drug Addictions.
I'll be honest, I didn't put much thought into this post so forgive me if I offended you.

All I'm saying is that if there's a will, there's a way. I'm getting a bachelor's in nursing and living with my parent's until I can afford to live on my own. Some people have it way harder, I get it.

As I've said before. I don't give a sh*t about the poor because they don't give a sh*t about me. In fact, they will be benefitting off me (indirectly)

Here's an example. Me and my mom live in an apartment that costs $1800 a month. Pretty soon it will be up to $2000.

The neighbors that live under me are a 50 year old woman who doesn't work and is on welfare, and she lives with her 19 year old daughter that works at 7-11. She is on section 8 housing. (gov't assistance). They smoke hella cigarettes and we have to deal with secondhand smoke.

My other neighbors are a black lesbian couple who also pay next to nothing. They don't work either and I think they collect disability because she has a handicapped parking permit.

Still, they don't do sh*t and they get the SAME APARTMENT as us for a fraction of the price, if any.

The poor don't give a sh*t. All they do is sit there and WISH they had more money.

Anyways that's just one example.

You're right about all this. I've seen it for myself, and these people are a disgrace. You're also right that they are not a small minority. Unfortunately, they force me to make my argument with a lot of caveats and hedges. Screw those people. There needs to be a much better vetting process where people who can work part time are forced to work 20 hours a week to get the other 20 in supplements, where people are forced to submit to drug testing before getting on welfare, where junk food and soda are banned, etc. We all agree on this. This is a different discussion.

My concern is for the person who is working hard, but momentum always seems to be going the way. Obviously the handicapped man or the IQ 75 man is an extreme example, but it's not just these guys. Not everyone is cut out to be a lawyer, pilot, or engineer -- wealthy jobs that require real degrees and real expertise.

You guys are not accounting for the huge chunk of people in the middle who graduated high school, got a bogus degree at the insistence of their stupid boomer parents and advisers, and who are willing to work, but whose skills are moderate at best because they got meaningless degrees in liberal arts or business administration. What can they do with that heap of rubbish? An assistant managers position at a retail chain making $15 an hour is hoping for the best.

Moderately well-paying positions in the range of $45-60,000 a year are so hard to come by now, because there are boatloads of "qualified applicants" with the same bogus degrees all vying for the same positions, which are also getting smaller in number as they go overseas.

I have news for you, wages are going down across the board. It's not just the McDonald's employee with no skills whatsoever making $8 an hour. You now have standard 9-5 office jobs where college-educated people work directly with executives and VPs in the same building making $10 an hour, and they're busting their ass for it.

Sadly because of the bad apples (whose damage can be curtailed by more oversight over who gets what, because the minimum wage and welfare are a completely different argument) you are telling average but honest people who are willing to work that they are not entitled to a dignified life.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Ultimately, the vast majority of these people are NOT the 75 iq person or the guy with no legs at a call center (who could learn to program by the way).

We are talking about people who did not try in school, did not go to college, and want the life of iphones and new cars.

The market sets a price on everything and unskilled unmotivated people get low wages because they SHOULD get low wages.

It really is that simple.

Do you want to abolish the minimum wage entirely? Should a CEO making $23 million a year be able to pay his employees $2 an hour? Will you answer that?

 

[speed dawg]

You're right about all this. I've seen it for myself, and these people are a disgrace. You're also right that they are not a small minority. Unfortunately, they force me to make my argument with a lot of caveats and hedges. Screw those people. There needs to be a much better vetting process where people who can work part time are forced to work 20 hours a week to get the other 20 in supplements, where people are forced to submit to drug testing before getting on welfare, where junk food and soda are banned, etc. We all agree on this. This is a different discussion.

My concern is for the person who is working hard, but momentum always seems to be going the way. Obviously the handicapped man or the IQ 75 man is an extreme example, but it's not just these guys. Not everyone is cut out to be a lawyer, pilot, or engineer -- wealthy jobs that require real degrees and real expertise.

You guys are not accounting for the huge chunk of people in the middle who graduated high school, got a bogus degree at the insistence of their stupid boomer parents and advisers, and who are willing to work, but whose skills are moderate at best because they got meaningless degrees in liberal arts or business administration. What can they do with that heap of rubbish? An assistant managers position at a retail chain making $15 an hour is hoping for the best.

Moderately well-paying positions in the range of $45-60,000 a year are so hard to come by now, because there are boatloads of "qualified applicants" with the same bogus degrees all vying for the same positions, which are also getting smaller in number as they go overseas.

I have news for you, wages are going down across the board. It's not just the McDonald's employee with no skills whatsoever making $8 an hour. You now have standard 9-5 office jobs where college-educated people work directly with executives and VPs in the same building making $10 an hour, and they're busting their ass for it.

Sadly because of the bad apples (whose damage can be curtailed by more oversight over who gets what, because the minimum wage and welfare are a completely different argument) you are telling average but honest people who are willing to work that they are not entitled to a dignified life.

You can't make rules based on the minority. And those people you speak of (hard-working people who can't catch a break) are a minority. In America, majority rules. Your thinking is what has sent MANY people down the mistaken road of being a liberal and voting democrat. Don't fall for it. The reason those few minority hard workers are hurting, is because the liberals have raised the base level up so far (welfare) and now there is no noticeable difference. By thinking like a democrat on these issues, you make the situation worse. You are rewarding the sh*tballs that you claim to hate, while hurting the people who you claim you want to help. It is IMPOSSIBLE to tax the rich at this much higher rate, because they can and WILL go overseas. It's not a practical solution. It just isn't, no other discussion is necessary.

I also must say that your view on Bernie is ass backwards to me. His economical issues are straight cracked out IMO.

Also - yes....I took your post the wrong way earlier, my bad on that.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

You can't make rules based on the minority. And those people you speak of (hard-working people who can't catch a break) are a minority. In America, majority rules. Your thinking is what has sent MANY people down the mistaken road of being a liberal and voting democrat. Don't fall for it. The reason those few minority hard workers are hurting, is because the liberals have raised the base level up so far (welfare) and now there is no noticeable difference. By thinking like a democrat on these issues, you make the situation worse. You are rewarding the sh*tballs that you claim to hate, while hurting the people who you claim you want to help. It is IMPOSSIBLE to tax the rich at this much higher rate, because they can and WILL go overseas. It's not a practical solution. It just isn't, no other discussion is necessary.

I also must say that your view on Bernie is ass backwards to me. His economical issues are straight cracked out IMO.

Also - yes....I took your post the wrong way earlier, my bad on that.

It's not a minority anymore. I'm a millenial that graduated in 2011. I know what my classmates and successors have been through. Our Baby Boomers grew up on this American Dream when it was a plausible reality, but never noticed companies kept moving the goalposts, all the while telling us to put our heads down & keep going. Now you've got millions - yes millions - of college educated people who are being asked to start with slightly higher than minimum wage jobs. In order to obtain a respectable salary, companies want 5 years experience. And by the time you've surpassed the 5 years, they've cut bonuses and benefits so much company-wide that a promotion means you'll end up breaking about even. This is a deliberate scam of epic proportions.

I've already pointed out that corporations are moving overseas anyway. Not raising the minimum wage from $7.25 is not stopping them from going to China where they can pay $1.30. If there's a good reason not to raise it, this isn't it.

I guess we just have to agree to disagree. But I'll be honest, this far right mentality seems to be a uniquely American thing. It is only here we can have multi-billionaires starving people with a sort of soft slavery, and people freak out.

What I think you're missing is $7.25 in 2016 does not equal $7.25 in 2006, so the minimum wage has for all intents and purposes been reduced when you adjust for inflation. But you continue to say don't change anything. The unintended consequence of this is you're giving tacit approval for corporations to continue to exploit & steal. And make no mistake, this increases the number of welfare recipients.

Bill O'Reilly of all people supports raising the minimum wage to $10 (I think it should be 12.) And on a football field where end-zone red is fascism and end-zone blue is communism, the guy is around the red 25 yard line. You're expressing a view far to the right of one of the most conservative public figures in the country.