"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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would you pay the bill on a first date or not?

pyros

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Hi.

I've been thinking about this question lately and in my experience, all first dates in which I did not offer to pay, they all end up in something good; however all the other dates in which I wanted to be 'nicer' by paying the bill, I got nothing or very little from the girl.

It is not because the bill is expensive, lets say you both grabbed a beer, I think if I do not pay the bill, I send a message that says Im not trying to impress her, win her, or any thing like this, plus they get shocked and think Im kind of an ******* because I just paid for my drink, while on the other hand I seem friendly and they had a great time with me, so mixed signals are good I guess.

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"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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SamTheHobit

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Don't be a faggot and what you want.. I get the feeling if she's interested she won't mind if you do or do not pay.
 

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SamTheHobit said:
Don't be a faggot and what you want.. I get the feeling if she's interested she won't mind if you do or do not pay.
i agree if she is interested it doesnt matter....thats also why you should try and do a "cheap first date" For example I usually do coffee and ice skating (im play hockey so i get to show off and teach them). so if date sucks atleast im ice skating which i enjoy and ispent 25 bucks total.
 

LMFAO

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I typically offer to pay at first date, you did invite her didn't you? But that's for a coffee or something small. If she's not a b**** she'll either say that she can pay it herself which gives her a lot of value or say thank you. I went out with an American a few weeks ago who didn't even acknowledge it, as if she deserves everything from free for guys, women like that can just f*** off.

If it's expensive don't pay for it and bring up equal rights, but that said it's a first date. Taking a woman to a restaurant let's say and spending 100 dollars on her will never work, "he doesn't even know me".

Unless she's a prostitute.
 

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If you're trying to get a fwb you shouldn't be doing dinner dates anyway (or anything romantic for that matter)
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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VladPatton

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yes I would pay the bill. A nice, cheap coffee bill that is! Why would you take her to an expensive place? Screen her and let the dates progress to bigger and better as time moves on. Both of you need to feel like it is naturally progressing and you have good vibes together. Otherwise you next her. Unfortunately, she can next you as well, so until further affections arise, keep the dates simple and it won't break your wallet.
 

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Yes but 99% of the time "first date" is a drink or coffee so it's pretty cheap.

I do appreciate when they offer. I remember once a girl looked away from the check when the bartender gave it to me as if to say "not my problem". I got a BJ that night and never called her. So I basically paid $15 for a BJ...
 

pyros

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but even if you asked her out, what is the point in paying the bill?
if she's agreed to go on a date with you, its 50-50, you wanted her to come, she wanted to come, so why should you pay for her?
if its a first date you barely know each other so, why should you reward her? just for coming?
its like if you were trying to sell her something, just because she listened to you, you give her a tip.

It makes more sense if you just paid for your drink, same for her.
However, if it was a girl you do know, you reaaally like her, etc etc and you feel like paying for her drink, I find it ok then, just in this case, but not when you barely know her because if you do, the dynamic that is set is something like:
you: hey I wanted to meet you to see if I like you and can bang you
her: hey, I came because I was curious, but I do not feel chemistry here.
you: hey, thanks for your time, here take 3 bucks just for giving me the gift of your presence, you dont like me though...
her: thank you!
 

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I've paid for all the dates bad or good, expensive or not. I have money so I pay that's it. I sorta feel emasculated when a chick pays for me. I have paid cuz I can and also the waiter always brings a single bill whenever I've been on a date with no exception. I don't even tell me one bill or separate.

But I think if it comes to it I'll be a ***** sitting there paying only for my bill while she paying for her own. Is that wrong ???
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Convince her to pay for both of you. Remember, you are the prize to be won. :up:
 

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Psssh I remember having this debate with an ex-girlfriend. Needless to say, I won. I just told her this, I do not know this girl so why the hell would I spend my money on her when I have no idea what shes like. Yeah she might be hot but that does cut it. My ex went down the if you've asked her out route...and i said, she had the option to say no, if she likes me enough to go out on a date, im sure she can cover her side of things.

...the final nail in the coffin was, me likening a guy paying for a first day to prostitution. I mean you're paying for her time and possibly for sex if the lobsters big enough.

When we were in a relationship, I paid for most things because she was worth spending my money on, I knew her, I appreciated her.
 

SgtSplacker

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If I ask a girl on a date i'm basically inviting her somewhere so I do pay usually. But if were just meeting up for lunch, drinks or something casual, i'll usually split the bill or take turns paying or something.

I pay when I invite, not as a general rule.

If i'm not in the paying mood, it'll be more of a "i'm bored, wanna do something?" type thing...
 
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