Would you consider her a "good" girl?

[STR8UP]

Started seeing a new girl recently. 33 yrs old, born in the middle east, grew up in rural NC, traditional type girl who still lives with her parents. She is friends with the AW, and miraculously I didn't get c0ckblocked. Known her for about a year. Got her # awhile back but never really pursued anything with her, although there was mutual attraction.

Anyway.....

This is the girl who spent the night at my place last weekend after we went out on the town. The AW wanted to go home and her friend didn't, so I was kind of put in charge of her well being. Went back to my place after and did some kissing and petting, but that's about it (not for lack of effort on my part). She kept apologizing and justifying her ASD, but I have some interest beyond sex so I was willing to go along with it. It was my birthday and we were pretty tipsy, so somehow we ended up talking about our sexual pasts, and she told me she has been with a total of 5 guys in her life. True or not....who knows, but it would be consistent with her behavior.

So this chick came over last night for a "date" and stays at my place for the second time. Once again, half of the time we are together she spends justifying her ASD. "I gotta make sure we're after the same thing, you know. I don't want to just be another "flavor" to add to your list of what you've tried". and "In my country do you know what they do to girls who do this kind of stuff?"

So I'm like "yea yea" and go right back to kissing her.

It's late and we get into bed. She goes in to brush her teeth and I'm already laying in bed. Before she closes the door she says "Don't you dare fall asleep on me!"

She gets back a few minutes later and we start making out and stuff. I already knew that there was a 99% chance that she wasn't gonna give it all the way up, so I would just kiss her and rub her a bit and roll over like I was going to go to sleep. Each time I did she would come back over for more.

So I finally start playing with her t!ts and she starts to get all worked up but she still keeps pushing my hand away from her pu$$y.

She's getting very turned on by me sucking on her t!ts and after a few minutes she tells me she's gonna cvm. She starts rubbing her pu$$y and in a minute she's done.

Then she tells me that she wants to get me off, but the clothes are staying on and "there won't be anything oral". She asks me how I want her to do that, and I'm like "According to your rules? I don't know. What do you suggest" To which she replies "well there are other ways, you know". So I'm trying to figure out what she's talking about, and I see she's still playing with her t!ts, squeezing them together. She then asks if i have any lotion, and tells me that she wants me to cvm on her t!ts.

Alright....whatever....she's got a nice set of "C's"....lets give it a shot.

Didn't work very well, even with me giving myself some "assistance". Too bad cause I would have loved to have taken aim and shot a little high, hehe

So this chick wouldn't let me stick my d!ck in her, and she wouldn't give me head, but she WOULD let me t!tty fukk her and spray my love juice her on her face.

She isn't having sex with me.....she's making me wait. Does that make her a good girl, even though I did *sexual* things with her? If I didn't see her again would she consider what we had to be "sex"? Would she count me in her "number"?

Is this what you consider to be a "good" girl? I'm very curious what you guys think.

 

[aliasguy]

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I'm surprised to see this kind of post from you, man.

She's a woman. You are spending time with her, and you two are having SOME kind of sex. She's no different than any other. And she's different from every other. You MUST know what I mean.

Why are you asking US?

YOU know what her deal is better than any of us can guess.

Tit job vs. BJ vs. full-out f*ck ------ whatever.

She's gonna do what she wants, more later, MAYBE.


You're a smart guy. You tell US.


But don't say you didn't have any "sex" with her. Who are you? William Jefferson Clinton?

What SHE calls it doesn't matter.


(Please don't take this wrong, man, I think you are almost always spot on.)

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[penkitten]

perhaps she was ragging?
perhaps she has herpes?

 

[KontrollerX]

Yeah she definitely sounds like a good girl to me.

Sh!t man even though she wasn't willing to go all the way she was willing to get you off for helping her get off.

Thats reciprocity right there and lack of selfishness.

Good chick.

 

[STR8UP]

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I'm surprised to see this kind of post from you, man.

She's a woman. You are spending time with her, and you two are having SOME kind of sex. She's no different than any other. And she's different from every other. You MUST know what I mean.

Why are you asking US?

YOU know what her deal is better than any of us can guess.

Tit job vs. BJ vs. full-out f*ck ------ whatever.

She's gonna do what she wants, more later, MAYBE.


You're a smart guy. You tell US.


But don't say you didn't have any "sex" with her. Who are you? William Jefferson Clinton?

What SHE calls it doesn't matter.


(Please don't take this wrong, man, I think you are almost always spot on.)

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We are on the same page, as usual.

I wasn't asking the question to get an answer, I was asking to see what kinds of answers I would get.

This is sort of an "ink blot" test. No right or wrong, just a matter of opinions, and I think there will be more than one expressed before all is said and done.

 

[STR8UP]

perhaps she was ragging?
perhaps she has herpes?

No, I seriously doubt it.

All indications point to a very strong ASD. We got up and went to get coffee today and she was telling me how mothers in their culture used some VERY intimidating tactics to keep their women chaste, and how she eventually realized it was bullsh!t. But all logic aside, the residual effects of many years of brainwashing is still there.

She has no obligation to have sex with me at any given time. That said, it's been a LONG time since I have had a high interest chick put up this much resistance.

 

[ketostix]

I would classify her as a "good" girl and I would tend to believe she had only 5 "sex" partners. Now hear me out. How good a girl is, is relative to what other girls are. Most girls would've fvcked if in that similar situation. Good girl doesn't mean a girl can't be horny or have desires, that would be a prude or whatever.

Now, is she a totally a good girl to what the standard of a good girl might/should be according to some maybe even me? I would say no not totally, but she is not be as bad as most. The reason I say she's not totally a good girl is because she's doing sexual things but as long as she only goes so far it doesn't "count". I think non-intercourse stuff some what counts.

I think she is only counting sex if it's oral or intercourse, and then I'd tend to believe she's only had 5 partners.

But you basically nailed it. It's ASD basically programmed by her culture. But honestly this is the only thing that keeps most girls "good" anyway.

 

[#41]

Depends on what you classify a "good girl" as -- if its by number of partners, then yes; if its by number of different crazy, kinky things she's done...maybe not so much (considering she had another idea besides oral in mind)

 

[joekerr31]

this is a f*cking joke.

im sorry str8up, but a chic behaving like this at the age of 33 is a waste of time. at 22 fine, but at 33 this is immature on her part (you can blow your load on my face, but you can't f*ck me. i mean, come on)

she's throwing down all this crap about 'in my country we don't do this' (which basically means, tee hee im so innocent, but ill be bad with you).

then putting all these restrictions on what you two do together. and you know why she does that....its because in her culture what she is doing with you is consider being the queen of all sl*ts. also,k when she gets married one day she wants to be able to truthfully tell her husband she has only slept with say two men. slept as in full intercourse.

she'll conveniently forget to tell him about the 50 guys who bukaked her.

anyway, this chic is going to keep serving you entrees but never the main course. additionally, she is NOT a 'good' chic. she is not behaving this way because these are her beliefs, she is behaving this way because inside her own head she is messed up.

she doesn't know whether to be the wh*re that she wants to be or the good girl her culture wants her to be - so instead she tries to be both and as a result ends up feeling guilty about each side of her personality. the result long term is generally a woman that ends up bringing a ton of drama into your life.

anyway, if you have other options id cut lose of this one. if not, then enjoy the handjobs i guess.

 

[STR8UP]

Yeah she definitely sounds like a good girl to me.

Sh!t man even though she wasn't willing to go all the way she was willing to get you off for helping her get off.

Thats reciprocity right there and lack of selfishness.

Good chick.

I wanted to get some more opinions before I gave my own, but you are correct.....she seems like a giver.

Although I don't believe in the whole "quality woman" mentality, I do believe that there are many shades of grey.

Some guys would look at this (LMS) and automatically see a tainted hor. Most guys will have a somewhat less judgmental opinion, although some might say that her actions would still preclude her from being labeled as "good".

My whole point is that I personally would put her on the "good" end of the spectrum if there is one, but even "good" girls have the same needs and desires as the rest of them.

If she has truly only been with 5 guys in 33 years, that's not many. But how many guys have t!tty fukked her? I know better than to even contemplate that, but some guys would choose not to even acknowledge the fact that she might not have had SEX with many men, but likely she has been SEXUAL with more than just the five.

I just have this strong feeling that too many men still hold an idealized, unrealistic image of women in general, and that's counterproductive to finding and maintaining a good relationship with a decent woman.

 

[lookyoung]

It all depends what your definition of good is. For an american girl she sounds like she is good. She has some traditional values which is good.

It sounds to me like this girl has a high interest level in you and will fvck you as soon as she sees that you truly like her. Hey why not give this girl a shot and see how things go. I would say she is better than most american woman.

 

[STR8UP]

this is a f*cking joke.

im sorry str8up, but a chic behaving like this at the age of 33 is a waste of time. at 22 fine, but at 33 this is immature on her part (you can blow your load on my face, but you can't f*ck me. i mean, come on)

she's throwing down all this crap about 'in my country we don't do this' (which basically means, tee hee im so innocent, but ill be bad with you).

then putting all these restrictions on what you two do together. and you know why she does that....its because in her culture what she is doing with you is consider being the queen of all sl*ts. also,k when she gets married one day she wants to be able to truthfully tell her husband she has only slept with say two men. slept as in full intercourse.

she'll conveniently forget to tell him about the 50 guys who bukaked her.

anyway, this chic is going to keep serving you entrees but never the main course. additionally, she is NOT a 'good' chic. she is not behaving this way because these are her beliefs, she is behaving this way because inside her own head she is messed up.

she doesn't know whether to be the wh*re that she wants to be or the good girl her culture wants her to be - so instead she tries to be both and as a result ends up feeling guilty about each side of her personality. the result long term is generally a woman that ends up bringing a ton of drama into your life.

anyway, if you have other options id cut lose of this one. if not, then enjoy the handjobs i guess.

Interesting take.

I don't think she's playing games at all. But at the same time I don't see her as being a whole lot different from most other women I have ever known.

I've only really been "with her" twice. And every time it has been a progression, so I'm not willing to throw it away at this point. I think it just goes to illustrate how much influence society has on people that CAUSES women to act in such a way. "Did you fukk 50 ppl?" She answers "No" and most guys are happy. She doesn't count non-intercourse activity as "sex" (as do pretty much ALL women) so she's happy enough to be able to look at herself in the mirror the next day, and all the guys who ask her how much sex she has had are happy that she hasn't accepted "too many" c0cks.

Like I said.....I haven't seen this much ASD probably EVER.....but even this morning it was a progression, as I was able to get down into her panties and she did try her best to get me off "manually" lol.

Of course if this goes on for a month there's a problem, but at this point I'm still moving forward so we will see.....

 

[ketostix]

Well I personally count only intercourse or penetration of some kind (oral, vaginal, and anal being the worst) by some guy's penis in the girl as sex. I wouldn't count a girl jerking a guy off and getting cvm on her skin (basically safe "sex")the same level has guys fvcking and cvm inside her. Sure it's all sexual if you define things like kissing and groping as sex.

I think what we got here is, women are sexual beings, most with a higher sexual desire or libido than most guys assume. The difference between how one girl and the next acts on her libido is mostly a measure of her "ASD". ASD is stongly societally influenced/programmed social by parents and acquantences.

 

[STR8UP]

It sounds to me like this girl has a high interest level in you and will fvck you as soon as she sees that you truly like her. Hey why not give this girl a shot and see how things go. I would say she is better than most american woman.

I'm sure she will give it up in due time.

I know words don't mean sh!t with women, but she basically told me that sex wasn't out of the question, that she was making sure I wasn't using her for just that.

 

[STR8UP]

Well I personally count only intercourse or penetration of some kind (oral, vaginal, and anal being the worst) by some guy's penis in the girl as sex. I wouldn't count a girl jerking a guy off and getting cvm on her skin (basically safe "sex")the same level has guys fvcking and cvm inside her. Sure it's all sexual if you define things like kissing and groping as sex.

That's the big question. Where do you draw the line? WHat is "sex"?

But you're gonna tell me that if she only has "sex" (according to your definition) with one guy, that makes it acceptable for her to jerk off a different guy every weekend? There's the grey area......

I think what we got here is, women are sexual beings, most with a higher sexual desire or libido than most guys assume. The difference between how one girl and the next acts on her libido is mostly a measure of her "ASD". ASD is stongly societally influenced/programmed social by parents and acquantences.

Well said.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

She kept apologizing and justifying her ASD, but I have some interest beyond sex so I was willing to go along with it. It was my birthday and we were pretty tipsy, so somehow we ended up talking about our sexual pasts, and she told me she has been with a total of 5 guys in her life. True or not....who knows, but it would be consistent with her behavior.

Strike one.

Iron Rule of Tomassi # 2
NEVER, under pain of death, honestly or dishonsetly reveal the number of women you've slept with or explain any detail of your sexual experiences with them to a current lover.

The single most disastrous AFC move a man can make is to OVERTLY describe past sexual experiences and/or give a number (accurate or not) to how many women he's been with prior to the one he's with. This simple act ALWAYS comes off as pretensiousness and is often the catalyst for an avalanche of emotional resentment, if not outright emotional blackmail from an insecure woman. This is a rookie mistake that should only take you once to learn.

So this chick came over last night for a "date" and stays at my place for the second time. Once again, half of the time we are together she spends justifying her ASD. "I gotta make sure we're after the same thing, you know. I don't want to just be another "flavor" to add to your list of what you've tried". and "In my country do you know what they do to girls who do this kind of stuff?"

Strike two.

Iron Rule of Tomassi #3

Any woman who makes you wait for sex, or by her actions implies she is making you wait for sex; the sex is NEVER worth the wait.

When women make you wait for sex you are not their highest priority. Sexuality is spontaneous chemical reaction between two parties, not a process of negotiation. It's sex first, then relationship, not the other way around. A woman who wants to fukk you will fly across the country, crawl under barbwire, climb in through your second story bedroom window, ƒuck the sh!t out of you and wait patiently inside your closet if your wife comes home early from work - women who want to ƒuck will find a way to ƒuck. The girl who tells you she wants a relationship first is the same girl who fukked the hot guy in the foam cannon party in Cancun on spring break half an hour after meeting him.

If a girl is that into you she'll ƒuck regardless of ASD or having her friends in the room videotaping it at a frat party. All women can be sluts, you just have to be the right guy to bring it out in them, and this happens before you go back to her place. If you have to plead your case cuddling and spooning on the bed or getting the occasional peck on the cheek, you need to go back to square one and start fresh.

It's late and we get into bed. She goes in to brush her teeth and I'm already laying in bed. Before she closes the door she says "Don't you dare fall asleep on me!"

Then she tells me that she wants to get me off, but the clothes are staying on and "there won't be anything oral".

Strike three, NEXT!

Sweet Mother Mary STR8! I only ssay this because I love you, but, What. The. ƒuck? You realize that these slumber party, sleep-overs are officially a habit for you now, right? This follows the exact same pattern as the AW you mentioned 2 weeks ago. And, interestingly enough, this is the friend of the AW.

So this chick wouldn't let me stick my d!ck in her, and she wouldn't give me head, but she WOULD let me t!tty fukk her and spray my love juice her on her face.

She isn't having sex with me.....she's making me wait. Does that make her a good girl, even though I did *sexual* things with her? If I didn't see her again would she consider what we had to be "sex"? Would she count me in her "number"?

Is this what you consider to be a "good" girl? I'm very curious what you guys think.

No, I'd consider her a 33 y.o. woman with an agenda and all of the conditions that make an aging woman considerate of her long term provisioning and declining sexual marketability. You aren't her first priority, but you might do if others don't pan out for her, thus she keeps the cart moving with a "free sample" carrot. Ask yourself why you're even concerned with whether or not she considers blowing your load on her sex. Does it matter? Stop thinking in feminine conventions; there are no "good girls" and there are no "bad girls." There are women who want to ƒuck and others who don't, this one doesn't. Look at the behavior of the last two women you've started threads about STR8. Look at the similarities in behvior, age, where they're at in life, etc. You need to reassess brother.

 

[squirrels]

Yeah, she wants to f*ck but has moral hang-ups about it. Just like high school kids who promise to be "celibate" before God and resort to anal as a result.

Oh....damn...you should've tried for anal!

It's just a dumb hang-up she has. I'd say if you don't have another date for the ngiht, let her jack you off and f*ck her t!ts until she either gives it up properly or she gets on your nerves and you have to cut her loose. Even a girl jacking you off is better than you jacking yourself off.

I wish I had angled for the t!tty-f*ck with the last girl I was with...she had some nice big fakies.

 

[jonwon]

Strike one.

Iron Rule of Tomassi # 2
NEVER, under pain of death, honestly or dishonsetly reveal the number of women you've slept with or explain any detail of your sexual experiences with them to a current lover.

The single most disastrous AFC move a man can make is to OVERTLY describe past sexual experiences and/or give a number (accurate or not) to how many women he's been with prior to the one he's with. This simple act ALWAYS comes off as pretensiousness and is often the catalyst for an avalanche of emotional resentment, if not outright emotional blackmail from an insecure woman. This is a rookie mistake that should only take you once to learn.




Strike two.

Iron Rule of Tomassi #3

Any woman who makes you wait for sex, or by her actions implies she is making you wait for sex; the sex is NEVER worth the wait.

When women make you wait for sex you are not their highest priority. Sexuality is spontaneous chemical reaction between two parties, not a process of negotiation. It's sex first, then relationship, not the other way around. A woman who wants to fukk you will fly across the country, crawl under barbwire, climb in through your second story bedroom window, ƒuck the sh!t out of you and wait patiently inside your closet if your wife comes home early from work - women who want to ƒuck will find a way to ƒuck. The girl who tells you she wants a relationship first is the same girl who fukked the hot guy in the foam cannon party in Cancun on spring break half an hour after meeting him.

If a girl is that into you she'll ƒuck regardless of ASD or having her friends in the room videotaping it at a frat party. All women can be sluts, you just have to be the right guy to bring it out in them, and this happens before you go back to her place. If you have to plead your case cuddling and spooning on the bed or getting the occasional peck on the cheek, you need to go back to square one and start fresh.



Strike three, NEXT!

Sweet Mother Mary STR8! I only ssay this because I love you, but, What. The. ƒuck? You realize that these slumber party, sleep-overs are officially a habit for you now, right? This follows the exact same pattern as the AW you mentioned 2 weeks ago. And, interestingly enough, this is the friend of the AW.




No, I'd consider her a 33 y.o. woman with an agenda and all of the conditions that make an aging woman considerate of her long term provisioning and declining sexual marketability. You aren't her first priority, but you might do if others don't pan out for her, thus she keeps the cart moving with a "free sample" carrot. Ask yourself why you're even concerned with whether or not she considers blowing your load on her sex. Does it matter? Stop thinking in feminine conventions; there are no "good girls" and there are no "bad girls." There are women who want to ƒuck and others who don't, this one doesn't. Look at the behavior of the last two women you've started threads about STR8. Look at the similarities in behvior, age, where they're at in life, etc. You need to reassess brother.

Got to go with this also.

It seems in this situation, could it be possible your IL is high so you cant see a possible AW in your midst?

This girl seem like validation, too much validation to me, she even has the nerve to call the shots of what goes and what does not whilst being semi naked in your bed, too much like blue balls for me man.

I prefer a girl to say no before she jumps into my bed, gets aroused with me stroking her tits 'then' the 'biggie' brings herself 'off'. I would be a tiny bit insulted right there, then to me she simply drags it on further and says 'she wants to get you off', by you wanking over her tits, this girl is definatly sure of herself. Me i would have probably said 'naa dont worry i'll put some porn on instead and kick you the fuc* out'!

A good girl? not in the conventional sense.

This girl seems to have a good idea on how to play men, i would tread careful with this one, so far she seems to be alot about Attention and validation, but done in such a-way you still dont know if your conclusions are valid.

I would keep her on, but i would definatly start to shift the frame, after all sex is a reward for you both, lets not get into a situation where by you feel your almost begging for sex and getting blue ball syndrome and all she offers is a breast to console you, yep i have been here with a similier girl before, each time i thought i could get past first and second base, it never actually got there, until eventually i had enough and refused to give her to attention. (this thread reminds me of a girl i once dated for about 6days, dam did she **** tease to the max).

Now a-days if i think there playing me like a fiddle, maybe if i have high IL, i may wait it out and see if it is a product of ***** shield, but if i find on the next time around she is clearly pushing for validation, you may as well flick one over the wrist over porn then keep feeding there Attention and Validation.

On an end note.

What better way to get validation then making a stud beg for sex?

Anyway, things of this nature, one always wonders if what your initial ideas are spot on and she is infact concurent with her words, she really does think penetration = sex and all others simply is not.

May she is simply keeping you interested, but on the contrary, getting into your bed and putting herself in that position is doing nothing for you then giving you blue balls in the long run, if she is operating on 'keeping you interested or not'.

It seems she has an agenda, what that agenda is at this stage is hard to fully say.

Possibilities.

She has options and your one of em.

She is an AW and loves the validation from dangling ***** to you, in the most **** tease fashion possible (she goes and relieves her frustrations on bob down the road afterwards).

She has serious sexual hang-ups and feels penetrative sex is taboo but has no problems doing all other things.

And a few others i cant think off right now.

I think her actions towards you, out of the bedroom will be noticable to what catagory she falls into.

But one thing that bothers me, is her AW mate, i usually find when mates come in; like attracts like and if there best mates, i would suspect they have alot in commen. The one your with just hides it better, not found an AW yet who does not have a mate who is similier, unless the mate is fat or ugly, AW usually have a ugly/fat mate so they get all the male attention, if she is hot, it is more often then not a partner in crime.

 

[STR8UP]

Strike one.

Iron Rule of Tomassi # 2
NEVER, under pain of death, honestly or dishonsetly reveal the number of women you've slept with or explain any detail of your sexual experiences with them to a current lover.

The single most disastrous AFC move a man can make is to OVERTLY describe past sexual experiences and/or give a number (accurate or not) to how many women he's been with prior to the one he's with. This simple act ALWAYS comes off as pretensiousness and is often the catalyst for an avalanche of emotional resentment, if not outright emotional blackmail from an insecure woman. This is a rookie mistake that should only take you once to learn.

I completely agree. I follow this rule religiously, but she caught me on the night of my birthday after I was pumped full of truth serum

Strike two.

Iron Rule of Tomassi #3

Any woman who makes you wait for sex, or by her actions implies she is making you wait for sex; the sex is NEVER worth the wait.

Again, I agree, but up to a point.

I'm not used to an ASD like this. Most of the time if it happens I get it in short order. But there's a difference between playing kissy face six different nights without giving it up (I am guilty of that with another chick, but I realized it and cut it off) and one who puts up a few walls to maintain her perceived dignity.

By making this an "Iron Rule" you would imply that only a woman who sleeps with you on the first date/ hangout is worth your time.

The impression I get from this girl is that this is her standard M.O. If you want to get in her pants, you gotta "prove" yourself through whatever ridiculous criteria she has that qualifies you (most of the time it's a stupid as the three date rule).

Now don't for a second think that I am implying that it would be impossible to seduce this woman into having sex immediately, even with a "stranger"- they are ALL capable of that. But at the same time there is a difference between a woman who might not have THAT high of an interest in you in the beginning and as such will put up some token resistance, and one who you get NOWHERE with and WILL NOT have sex with you no matter what you do.

This chick is just going through the motions to "ensure that I'm not using her" It's bullsh!t, I know. But at least there has been progression. The next morning I gave her another t!tty orgasm, got down her pants for the first time, and gave me a hand job.

Since I do have interest in this chick I'm willing to go through the motions, so long as they aren't excessive. If I hadn't progressed to this point by now I might look at things differently. And if she doesn't give it up the next time or two I see her (which I think she will) then there's a serious problem that could be solved with a "next".

Incidentally, we had an interesting conversation about this stuff. I know you can't put much stock in a woman's words, but she was saying how all of her friends give her sh!t for not hooking up, and she was telling me how where she grew up mothers "teach" their daughters about the consequences of having sex by scaring them into thinking that really bad things will happen if they do it before marriage.

Strike three, NEXT!

Sweet Mother Mary STR8! I only ssay this because I love you, but, What. The. ƒuck? You realize that these slumber party, sleep-overs are officially a habit for you now, right? This follows the exact same pattern as the AW you mentioned 2 weeks ago. And, interestingly enough, this is the friend of the AW.

I know it might seem that way, but this isn't a platonic or semi platonic thing....we both have interest, which is evident through her (non sexual)
actions.

The AW....as hard as it might be to believe, I have zero interest in her as far as a relationship goes. We hang out and have a good time and we might tease each other a little, but that's about it.

With her friend it's a completely different story. I am actually interested in getting to know her on more than a friendly level. The AW throws out sexual gestures and innuendo to keep the spotlight on her. The friend shows genuine interest. LOTS of questions, IOI's etc.

You aren't her first priority, but you might do if others don't pan out for her, thus she keeps the cart moving with a "free sample" carrot.

I can usually sense if a woman is playing the field, and several things lead me to believe that I'm likely the only one she's interested in at the moment.

First off, I asked the AW about her a couple of times in the past, and the idea i got was that she was pretty much keeping to herself. A homebody.

Second, her actions. High interest toward me, her phone doesn't ring off the hook like some chicks, just the overall vibe I get from her that she hasn't really been that involved in the dating scene lately. She had a couple of accidents recently where she was injured and I think that might play into this as well.

Maybe this is a bad thing since she's obviously focusing herself on me (talking about future stuff for "us") and honestly it makes me a little apprehensive (which is probably a good thing).

Ask yourself why you're even concerned with whether or not she considers blowing your load on her sex. Does it matter? Stop thinking in feminine conventions; there are no "good girls" and there are no "bad girls." There are women who want to ƒuck and others who don't, this one doesn't. Look at the behavior of the last two women you've started threads about STR8. Look at the similarities in behvior, age, where they're at in life, etc. You need to reassess brother.

Rollo....I know you're busy, but you I can tell you didn't read the whole thread.

I'm not at all concerned about what she considers "sex".

The point of this thread wasn't to analyze this particualar woman's actions. It was to support the idea that there's no such thing as good girls and bad girls....you know I agree with you 100% on that one. I started this thread to show that one man's devil is another man's angel, and that even women who hold out on sex when they are feeling you out for a relationship will do sexual "things".

It's all a big illusion. Two worlds. One that other people want us to see (the thin veneer of social pretenses) and the REAL world that exists behind closed doors that some people aren't willing to acknowledge.

 

[STR8UP]

heheh that would be my thread.

I'm just curious STR8UP but why are you going after a 33 yearold woman anyway? I thought the cut off point for most guys here was like 28.

That's a good question.

Yes, I prefer younger women, I make no bones about that.

But at this point in my life I'm not "going after" ANY women. If one comes along that catches my eye and she can deal with my chaotic life and a relationship (of whatever type) on MY terms, I'm willing to play. If not, oh well.