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Would you consider her a "good" girl?

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STR8UP said:
So how does everyone feel about an ALLOWANCE for culture or religion?

Like I said, I usually don't get this kind of resistance. But when I found out where she was born and her religious beliefs, I think I was a little more understanding of where she was coming from.

Incidentally, any doubt I had as to her interest level is pretty much gone. Talked to her on the phone tonight and she kept asking about getting together this weekend, and even asked me on a date for Thanksgiving weekend. Gotta love it when they make it easy :up:
See this was my point, you can't just assume a woman's insufficient desire is the reason she doesn't have sex with you at a given point. Just like you can't assume she has sex with you just because of her level of desire. Like you pointed out, her ASD could be due to culture and religion causes and nothing really to do with you.

Well Str8up I'm glad to see yours and my analysis seems to be holding up so far. Just don't screw it up and make us wrong! j/k.
 

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1. Any chick that is ok with you seeing her naked, and letting you "blow your load" on her body... this is sexual intimacy, she should have just went all the way! That's like opening the door to a t!tty bar, and watching from there, but still trying to say you've never been in a t!tty bar. You saw the t!tties! You have BEEN to the damn t!tty bar.

2. Some chicks don't have sex with someone they like until they are SURE they like them. This is rare, I am starting to really believe now... But still, Some women do value sexual intimacy the same or more than emotional intimacy. If she doesn't know you well enough to trust you, she doesn't know you well enough to fvck you. This is not ASD. They truly do not DESIRE to sleep with you, until they know you better.

3. Any chick that lets you t!tty fvck her does not fit into #2.
 

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ketostix said:
Well Str8up I'm glad to see yours and my analysis seems to be holding up so far. Just don't screw it up and make us wrong! j/k.
I'm gonna try to make you proud buddy!

I'd give you a guarantee, but I'm dealing with a woman here, so.....
 

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iqqi said:
1. Any chick that is ok with you seeing her naked, and letting you "blow your load" on her body... this is sexual intimacy, she should have just went all the way! That's like opening the door to a t!tty bar, and watching from there, but still trying to say you've never been in a t!tty bar. You saw the t!tties! You have BEEN to the damn t!tty bar.

2. Some chicks don't have sex with someone they like until they are SURE they like them. This is rare, I am starting to really believe now... But still, Some women do value sexual intimacy the same or more than emotional intimacy. If she doesn't know you well enough to trust you, she doesn't know you well enough to fvck you. This is not ASD. They truly do not DESIRE to sleep with you, until they know you better.

3. Any chick that lets you t!tty fvck her does not fit into #2.
I actually agree, to a degree, with this post.
 

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STR8UP said:
So how does everyone feel about an ALLOWANCE for culture or religion?
A woman that sleeps with you and allows you to *** on her body? LOL.
 
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Would you consider her a "good" girl?
You wouldn't have posed this question IF she is a good girl! This tells me that you already know that she isn't "good"!

LOL, at your using the word "traditional" to describe a ho! :rolleyes:
 

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'Good Girl' what non-sense. What do you mean by a good girl anyway.. a traditional respectable chick you can have kids with?? just curious?
Again.....this was a rhetorical question.

I wasn't "asking". I was proving a point. I was illustrating the fact that "good" girls are an illusion. A mirage. Anything but "real".

I see posts all over this forum about finding "quality women", which is nothing more than a watered down version of finding your "soul mate". They are both like unicorns that exist only in the fantasies of the beholder.

anyway.. if she was a 'good girl' - first she wouldn be with you.. she would be married and settled in her own country (or anywhere else) in sync with its 'beliefs' and tradition.
Since there is no such thing as a "good" girl, there is no definition for a good girl. "married, settled down, and in sync with her countries beliefs and traditions" is not a definition, it's YOUR projection of an idealized person.
 

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ducaro said:
Here she tells you that she has had 5 different guys.. and is willing for you to blow your load on her puppies. and you in a question if she is a 'good girl'
In the east, if a woman had anything at all to do with another man in the past, she is always almost considered a hoe.
Which goes to further prove my point.

One man's ho is another man's princess. And that princess might very well be looked upon as a ho by her prince if he knew THE TRUTH about her past.
 

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remotecontrol said:
best thing to do is jack off and aim for her face hahahaha.
I think she WANTED it in her face. She was laying there waiting for it. I would have shot her square in the eye if I could have gotten the pump to work ;)

Another thing about this chick that I just thought about.....she was too quick to suggest alternate means for me to get off, which would lead me to believe that she has had practice at getting guys worked up and leaving them dry.

I'm probably going to be seeing her tonight. I was kind of curious to see where it would lead, but the more i think about it the more I can take it or leave it.

We're going to be with a group so it's not like a date or anything. I'm just gonna go in without a plan and let the chips fall where they may. If it happens, fine. If not, no big loss for me.
 

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Update.......

Sher didn't show up tonight to the AW's birthday party.

A few of the girls there were asking me "So you are friends with "R", right? Why don't you call her and see where she's at? I heard she was wearing your boxers the other day, hehe!"

I blew it off. Seems to me like she's got other priorities. Regardless, being around me isn't even close to her TOP priority, despite the fact that she still responds quickly to me initiating contact, and talks about getting together. Actions are the ONLY indicator with women....don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
 

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STR8UP said:
Started seeing a new girl recently. 33 yrs old, born in the middle east, grew up in rural NC, traditional type girl who still lives with her parents. She is friends with the AW, and miraculously I didn't get c0ckblocked. Known her for about a year. Got her # awhile back but never really pursued anything with her, although there was mutual attraction.

Anyway.....

This is the girl who spent the night at my place last weekend after we went out on the town. The AW wanted to go home and her friend didn't, so I was kind of put in charge of her well being. Went back to my place after and did some kissing and petting, but that's about it (not for lack of effort on my part). She kept apologizing and justifying her ASD, but I have some interest beyond sex so I was willing to go along with it. It was my birthday and we were pretty tipsy, so somehow we ended up talking about our sexual pasts, and she told me she has been with a total of 5 guys in her life. True or not....who knows, but it would be consistent with her behavior.

So this chick came over last night for a "date" and stays at my place for the second time. Once again, half of the time we are together she spends justifying her ASD. "I gotta make sure we're after the same thing, you know. I don't want to just be another "flavor" to add to your list of what you've tried". and "In my country do you know what they do to girls who do this kind of stuff?"

So I'm like "yea yea" and go right back to kissing her.

It's late and we get into bed. She goes in to brush her teeth and I'm already laying in bed. Before she closes the door she says "Don't you dare fall asleep on me!"

She gets back a few minutes later and we start making out and stuff. I already knew that there was a 99% chance that she wasn't gonna give it all the way up, so I would just kiss her and rub her a bit and roll over like I was going to go to sleep. Each time I did she would come back over for more.

So I finally start playing with her t!ts and she starts to get all worked up but she still keeps pushing my hand away from her pu$$y.

She's getting very turned on by me sucking on her t!ts and after a few minutes she tells me she's gonna cvm. She starts rubbing her pu$$y and in a minute she's done.

Then she tells me that she wants to get me off, but the clothes are staying on and "there won't be anything oral". She asks me how I want her to do that, and I'm like "According to your rules? I don't know. What do you suggest" To which she replies "well there are other ways, you know". So I'm trying to figure out what she's talking about, and I see she's still playing with her t!ts, squeezing them together. She then asks if i have any lotion, and tells me that she wants me to cvm on her t!ts.

Alright....whatever....she's got a nice set of "C's"....lets give it a shot.

Didn't work very well, even with me giving myself some "assistance". Too bad cause I would have loved to have taken aim and shot a little high, hehe

So this chick wouldn't let me stick my d!ck in her, and she wouldn't give me head, but she WOULD let me t!tty fukk her and spray my love juice her on her face.

She isn't having sex with me.....she's making me wait. Does that make her a good girl, even though I did *sexual* things with her? If I didn't see her again would she consider what we had to be "sex"? Would she count me in her "number"?

Is this what you consider to be a "good" girl? I'm very curious what you guys think.
I must say, I have to agree with LMS, there are no good girls. Only virgins count as good girls. Total ASD, and this should not bother you. You are too caught up in this whole good girl thing and it is affecting how this broad is perceiving you. If you weren't too caught up in this, she would have been more confortable to progress, but she feels like you are judging her, and you certainly are, even though you didn't tell her; she knows it and feels it. You telling us and being concerned about what she's coming accross proves this.

No, she doesn't consider that as sex. She want's you to consider her a good girl; lets face it, they don't want to be judged. She will give it up as soon as she feels you are not judging her, and your whole "good girl" thing here is not helping your cause, even if you are being totally honest.
 

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STR8UP said:
Update.......

Sher didn't show up tonight to the AW's birthday party.

A few of the girls there were asking me "So you are friends with "R", right? Why don't you call her and see where she's at? I heard she was wearing your boxers the other day, hehe!"

I blew it off. Seems to me like she's got other priorities. Regardless, being around me isn't even close to her TOP priority, despite the fact that she still responds quickly to me initiating contact, and talks about getting together. Actions are the ONLY indicator with women....don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
I'm still not totally convinced that this girl has other priorities as in another guy. Although it's looking like she does. Maybe you should've got that girl to call her..you: "You tell me where she is, why don't you call her and find out why she's not at the party :D". It's just if you're going to do a takeaway, I think it's best if you first semi exhaust your advances towards, get her all pumped on your interest, then take all the attention away totally.
 

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I must say, I have to agree with LMS, there are no good girls. Only virgins count as good girls. Total ASD, and this should not bother you. You are too caught up in this whole good girl thing and it is affecting how this broad is perceiving you. If you weren't too caught up in this, she would have been more confortable to progress, but she feels like you are judging her, and you certainly are, even though you didn't tell her; she knows it and feels it. You telling us and being concerned about what she's coming accross proves this.

No, she doesn't consider that as sex. She want's you to consider her a good girl; lets face it, they don't want to be judged. She will give it up as soon as she feels you are not judging her, and your whole "good girl" thing here is not helping your cause, even if you are being totally honest.
I guess I should have made it more clear in the initial post, but again I AM NOT JUDGING HER. I was showing the reason why you SHOULDN'T judge, and why it is useless to do so anyway.
 

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ketostix said:
I'm still not totally convinced that this girl has other priorities as in another guy. Although it's looking like she does. Maybe you should've got that girl to call her..you: "You tell me where she is, why don't you call her and find out why she's not at the party :D". It's just if you're going to do a takeaway, I think it's best if you first semi exhaust your advances towards, get her all pumped on your interest, then take all the attention away totally.
I haven't written her off. Yet.

The AW told me in the past that this girl was acting kind of strange the past few months, even before I hooked up with her.

Either way, I doubt her interest is super high, or her actions would tell me another story.

But there's a chance you could be right about the whole "third encounter" thing. That's why I'm not writing her off just yet. I'll let it go till the middle of next week and if I can't nail down something concrete for next weekend or at least get a counter offer then I'm not putting any more effort into it.
 

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A few of the girls there were asking me "So you are friends with "R", right? Why don't you call her and see where she's at? I heard she was wearing your boxers the other day, hehe!"
I am concerned with this:

Are they telling you this to manipulate you or is there something else going on.

The womens actions show her IL is not that great, so her 'actions' not her friends words, tell a different story and this is concerning me.

Regardless if i was posed with this question i would have responded like this:

'Well i asked her back out on another date and she flaked, so.....'

And i would have just stuck to that line, if the girls tried to 'play' you. asking your IL e.t.c, i would have just stuck to the 'i dont really chase flakes, but i like her has a friend'.

I.e. reverse the frame and in that if the girl was really interested, her mates would get back to her and tell her she 'fuc*ed up' and i would expect a phone call or an apology, if i did not, i would assume i was the victim of a covert AW.

Anyway her actions are not concurent with her friends words, dont let a womens words, detract you from the actions of the women.

Also i think its a no brainer she is 'experianced' with doing what she did with you, to her and her mates, your not on her score board, so that tells me she could be doing this every week with guys. Actually if she added her tit and wan*, encouters to her lay roster i would put the numbers way up in the 20/50 catagory, that is adding in all the 'holiday' flings e.t.c she has had.

But it does not count for sex in her world, unless you can correct me and confirm her 5 lays' where nothing more then tit wan*s, where she brought herself off.
 
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jonwon said:
I am concerned with this:

Are they telling you this to manipulate you or is there something else going on.
I honestly don't think the girl who asked me to call her is even that close to her.....I think they have a mutual friend (the AW) but I don't get the impression that they hang out just the two of them. So I seriously doubt there was any manipulation. You know how women are with gossip.

Regardless if i was posed with this question i would have responded like this:

'Well i asked her back out on another date and she flaked, so.....'
Although I like the premise of your response, I don't think it would have been prudent, as it wasn't EXACTLY a flake, as in we had concrete plans and she ditched out at the last minute. I think due to the nature of it i would have just come off as weak.

Anyway, I'm gonna call her tomorrow night if i get time and try to nail something down with her soon. If i don't get the response I'm looking for I'm calling it a done deal. She was showing pretty high IL up until that time, so it's only a waiting game if it is another guy. She'll be back for more eventually, but I'm not holding my breath in the meantime :)
 
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