"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Work fling...all sex, no kissing.

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Hopefully somebody can bring some light into my situation. I’m a 32 year old woman, stable, and single. One of my co-workers is a 34 year old good looking man, who happens to be married, and has a child. A few weeks ago we finally acted on our months-long flirting, and hooked up. This first time, we agreed that we got caught up in the moment, and that it wouldn’t happen again. It did…5 times in a month, basically when we got the chance. As the weeks passed after that first time, it seems like he’s into me, judging by things he does. However, NONE of the times we hooked up (all at work, except one), he has not kissed me. Why is he doing this? (or actually not doing). We shared other bodily fluids, so why not kiss?? Someone give me an insight into the male brain, please.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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He thinks yr just a good fu**. Doubt there'll be much more out of this, persist if you want but I guarantee this will most likely end in misery.
 

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Hahaha…thanks for the honesty. I don’t think this will go anywhere either, nor do I want it to, I am more curious as this has never happened to me before. I’m especially curious, because he seems to actually like me – like me, things he began doing as the weeks passed (I’m not gonna get into the boring details), which is what makes it weird, cause usually you’d think if you like someone, you’d want that closeness. I personally don’t like him for anything more than what it is. Not looking for anything, it’s too much baggage, and I don’t wanna give karma more reasons to slap me in the vagina.

cervantesscthree said:
He thinks yr just a good fu**. Doubt there'll be much more out of this, persist if you want but I guarantee this will most likely end in misery.
 

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Because it's only about sex to him. No kissing is sort of a way to avoid emotional attachment/involvement.

The best advice I can give you is to quit while you are ahead. Affairs are addictive and can EASILY go on for months, if not years. Those are the people that are most likely to get caught.
 

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Yeah, I know that’s what we should do, and it’s definitely the smart way to go, but like you say, affairs are highly addictive, and although we keep saying “it’s the last time”, it always happens again. It’s gotten to a point that everything turns into sexual innuendo, and we work together, so it’s not like we can avoid seeing eachother. So no kissing = no attachment. Would make perfect sense, except for the fact that I think he’s gotten attached.

Mike32ct said:
Because it's only about sex to him. No kissing is sort of a way to avoid emotional attachment/involvement.

The best advice I can give you is to quit while you are ahead. Affairs are addictive and can EASILY go on for months, if not years. Those are the people that are most likely to get caught.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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OvertimeWork said:
Yeah, I know that’s what we should do, and it’s definitely the smart way to go, but like you say, affairs are highly addictive, and although we keep saying “it’s the last time”, it always happens again. It’s gotten to a point that everything turns into sexual innuendo, and we work together, so it’s not like we can avoid seeing eachother. So no kissing = no attachment. Would make perfect sense, except for the fact that I think he’s gotten attached.
You mean you HOPE he's become attached.

Otherwise, you wouldn't be here asking about him.
 

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except for the fact that I think he’s gotten attached.
And what are you gonna do about that?
Continue with him, because deep down you don't want it to end?

The CORRECT/SMART thing to do is to cut him off, and don't look back.
But come on, you couldn't do that, right?

You don't want to hear what you should do, because you already know.
What you really want is for someone to tell you what you want to hear.

You feel like he's using you because he isn't kissing you, and what you really want is to know how to get him to do that.
You want MORE from him, not less and I doubt you'll cut him off and do the smart thing because of that.

And if you think i'm just being sexist, or whatever, why don't you prove me wrong by doing the smart thing.
 

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OvertimeWork said:
cause usually you’d think if you like someone, you’d want that closeness.
Men can separate sex and closeness very easily. I don't like to admit it because I've made countless posts here how much I detest lardassery but I have 1 fat chick in my rotation. For that weird fat fvck fhenomenon where sometimes you just get a weird urge to slay a porker. I know it's shameful.

I digress, what I'm trying to say is this chick is always trying to kiss me. She's mixing sex with closeness, where as I'm just wanting to watch the big ole diddies slap around, do my bolt,put my pants back on and forget about the shameful act until the fff sneaks up on me again.

You see what I'm saying? btw kissing is much ado about nothing for some men in general. I don't really see what all the fuss is about myself, even with chicks who I'm proud to show off at friends BBQ's.
 

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OvertimeWork said:
Yeah, I know that’s what we should do, and it’s definitely the smart way to go, but like you say, affairs are highly addictive, and although we keep saying “it’s the last time”, it always happens again. It’s gotten to a point that everything turns into sexual innuendo, and we work together, so it’s not like we can avoid seeing eachother. So no kissing = no attachment. Would make perfect sense, except for the fact that I think he’s gotten attached.
No kissing is his way of TRYING to avoid attachment. But a continued affair will lead to some sort of attachment on his part (and yours) eventually, no matter what he does.

I should have put, "...ATTEMPT to avoid..." in my earlier post. That's what I meant :).

I hope that helps.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Judge nismo sees that he doesn't want to get attached emotionally. Just sexually. And he wants to go out and f**k more and more women! It's natural. Guys, this is a situation where the guy can use the relationship card, as he has been chosen.

The OP enjoys the dik, but wants a relationship as well. The guy here just wants the sex. And the OP is putting out willingly. Voila! Magic!

Women are the gatekeepers to sex. Men are the gatekeepers to relationships. But, the sex gotta come first, then relationship. If this is done the other way around, it's the friendzone.

Case closed.
 

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I heard an inveterate cvm junkie at my footy club exclaim one night after another of the football players pumped and dumped her: "You all wanna fvck me but none of you wanna kiss me!"
She was right.
 

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OvertimeWork said:
Hopefully somebody can bring some light into my situation. I’m a 32 year old woman, stable, and single. One of my co-workers is a 34 year old good looking man, who happens to be married, and has a child. A few weeks ago we finally acted on our months-long flirting, and hooked up. This first time, we agreed that we got caught up in the moment, and that it wouldn’t happen again. It did…5 times in a month, basically when we got the chance. As the weeks passed after that first time, it seems like he’s into me, judging by things he does. However, NONE of the times we hooked up (all at work, except one), he has not kissed me. Why is he doing this? (or actually not doing). We shared other bodily fluids, so why not kiss?? Someone give me an insight into the male brain, please.
Just out of curiosity, what kind of company do you work at?
 

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Ever thought of using a breath mint?
 

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Maybe he just doesn't like kissing. I don't like kissing or muff-diving. Any time something warm and damp covers my mouth I get a little panicky. Nothing personal of course.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Maybe he fancies himself as Julia Roberts from Pretty Woman. Take him on a shopping spree and see how he responds. Spoil him and I'll bet you'll get a kiss.
 

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PairPlusRoyalFlush said:
I've never really felt obligated to give objective advice to male adulterers here but I sure as hell don't feel the need to give "support" to some dirty cheating wh0re. You make me fvking sick you worthless cvnt.
she's not cheating, she's morally in the wrong but only because she knows he's married and does this anyway

but shes single so shes not cheating

most of the blame goes on the guy because he isn't single and knows hes in a relationship
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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