"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Won't give phone number, but will meet

ThisNThat

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I got to talking to this woman on OK Cupid, I actually knew her in real life as only an acquaintance through a party I went to last year. I started off with, "Hey,you look familiar..." (No this wasn't a line, if it actually DID happen, lol)

We get to talking and she beat me to the punch in only 2 messages, wanting to meet in person. I said, "Sure, may I get your number so I can call you up to make arrangements? It'll likely be next week."

She says, "I prefer to just meet as friends and see where it goes from there, please."

I was then taken aback by this, because she refused to give me her number.

Now, I usually have a policy about NOT getting a woman's number, I always had required that I talk and hear them on the phone first before meeting in person.

But I got a tip from a female friend that is also on OK Cupid saying that she NEVER gives her number, and just makes arrangements through the dating app messaging system. You know, date, time, and address of the restaurant.

She says the reason is that her phone number is VERY personal to her, and she doesn't want every Tom, **** and Harry from the online dating world having it in his possession. I think she mentioned how she had this guy constantly texting her throughout the day.

I think I may make an exception, because SHE initiated meeting.

Thoughts? Forget the number, and just arrange the meeting?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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wifehunter

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DJ bible...you read it.

Low interest.
 

sazc

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idk, it is entirely possible that she has had experiences with dudes who have gotten ugly via her phone, and that is why she wants to scope you out before she hands over the digits.
The good news is that there will be no way for you to over text her before you meet :)
 

wifehunter

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idk, it is entirely possible that she has had experiences with dudes who have gotten ugly via her phone, and that is why she wants to scope you out before she hands over the digits.
The good news is that there will be no way for you to over text her before you meet :)
Yeah, maybe she tired of exploded phone. :rofl:
 

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She has a boyfriend mate. But the relationship is getting dull so she's currently exploring her options. She has low interest already so the meet up might not go well. This situation lies entirely on your gaming skills, that puts all the pressure on you.

You can meet with her but you better make your intentions clear if friendship isn't what you looking otherwise she'll make you one of her orbiters

If it were me I would've stopped talking to her when she refused with her number.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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EyeBRollin

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DJ bible...you read it.

Low interest.
You should read it. Women with low interest don't waste time on dates.. unless they are professional daters (which we weed out by offering the cheap coffee / drink date instead of dinner).

You can meet with her but you better make your intentions clear if friendship isn't what you looking otherwise she'll make you one of her orbiters
Do not do this. There is no need to "make your intentions clear." Women aren't stupid, they know what asking them out means. And no, orbiters don't get to go on dates.

If it were me I would've stopped talking to her when she refused with her number.
Why? She offered to meet. The phone number is only for getting the date.
 

Roober

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You don't need the number. If she suggested the date, set a day/time/location about 2 days in advance. If she is interested, she will give you the number afterwards
 
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