Women marrying men with less income

[Warrior74]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/05/17/professional.women.date.blue.collar/index.html

Look at the ages and the justifications.

 

[5string]

Warrior...interesting. Wish I could walk my dogs for a living. Looks like the high end females are settling for less as there is less quality to choose from. Although I am the breadwinner in my marriage, my wife does well as an RN. Heck, I wish she did make a bunch more than me. Wouldnt hurt my feelings.

 

[ChumpNoMore]

Confirms the theories we debate here.

College enrolment and completion by males is down. Feminist, misogynist, nanny state, affirmative action causality anyone?

Also the first chick is black; the odds of her marrying up with black man are enormously stacked against her. The others are old and expired; any alpha male her age with cred will be looking for much younger/hotter.

So they take a BETA, and they and the social "scientists" rationalize it after by whatever demographic or subjective straw they can grasp at.

 

[Drum&Bass]

I strongly believe this has nothing to do with social dynamic and MORE to do with faulty education and people not having alternative ways to educate themselves.

To many people believe going to school is the sure way to land a good job and becoming successful.

People need to learn how to LEARN as an individual and then utilize that knowledge into power.

School is the same thing as a book, a website, learning through experience or a conversation with someone. Knowledge reaches your brain through your senses...not having a formal education is a poor excuse to NOT be successful.

 

[Warrior74]

I strongly believe this has nothing to do with social dynamic and MORE to do with faulty education and people not having alternative ways to educate themselves.

To many people believe going to school is the sure way to land a good job and becoming successful.

People need to learn how to LEARN as an individual and then utilize that knowledge into power.

School is the same thing as a book, a website, learning through experience or a conversation with someone. Knowledge reaches your brain through your senses...not having a formal education is a poor excuse to NOT be successful.

Look at who the recession has hit the most. Men. And the worst? Black men. This is another side effect of the recession. There are many men who have had to change career fields and find new lines of work which means lower pay.

 

[Tazman]

Not to take anything away fom their accomplishments, but if they aren't hot, we don't care.

Their competencies don't impress either. I love these project managers/directors who simply instruct people to do things they themselves are clueless about, that's got to be the sweetest job out there. Gone are the days when you actually had to rise through the ranks, meaning you actually performed the work, in order to supervise people who perform said work.

I'd love to know how some of these people get these jobs. Networking? Affirmative action?

I won't say all women are like this of course, but out of all the experiences I and some of my friends have had, I haven't seen any different.

College degrees are a huge racket these days (although they will help you get a government job...).

 

[Jitterbug]

Article: classic backward rationalization!

Looks like the high end females are settling for less as there is less quality to choose from.

High end? Ugly old chicks with expired eggs aren't high end, they're the opposite!

 

[RMM]

Look at the ages and the justifications.

That's probably the key. While I shouldn't generalize from this, here's a a recent anecdote:

Girl from work, 23-ish. Her husband (same age) got a grant for a Ph.D. and decided to pursue it, which meant less income for both and that they'd have to live more modestly for a while, living on the grant money and her salary. She was fine with that...

For about 8 months. After that she had to find herself and somehow found herself in the arms of another guy, with a good job and income. Of course they're divorced now.

 

[nismo-4]

I strongly believe this has nothing to do with social dynamic and MORE to do with faulty education and people not having alternative ways to educate themselves.

To many people believe going to school is the sure way to land a good job and becoming successful.

People need to learn how to LEARN as an individual and then utilize that knowledge into power.

School is the same thing as a book, a website, learning through experience or a conversation with someone. Knowledge reaches your brain through your senses...not having a formal education is a poor excuse to NOT be successful.

Fellow Atlantan, you probably know that most women here love guys with that young gay look.

But back on topic. I'd rather marry an older woman who makes a lot of money. Especially if I was making mad money. That woman was cute to me! I'm a black man and it's a lot harder to find love IMO.

 

[CardFan]

Not to take anything away fom their accomplishments, but if they aren't hot, we don't care.

Their competencies don't impress either. I love these project managers/directors who simply instruct people to do things they themselves are clueless about, that's got to be the sweetest job out there. Gone are the days when you actually had to rise through the ranks, meaning you actually performed the work, in order to supervise people who perform said work.

I'd love to know how some of these people get these jobs. Networking? Affirmative action?

I won't say all women are like this of course, but out of all the experiences I and some of my friends have had, I haven't seen any different.

College degrees are a huge racket these days (although they will help you get a government job...).

True. In my large company Systems department there are numerous female managers who know squat about technology. Never wrote a line of code, never set up a server, never designed a database nor know how to query one. But women were "underrepresented" (never mind few of them have IT degrees) so they were promoted. Now at least half our Systems managers are women. And project managers of either gender are absolutely clueless.

Related to the main point there are quite a few college-educated women I know who married men without degrees. That doesn't necessarily mean they earn more, but it's representative of the low proportion of men at college (if only I were in college today...). There's little outrage about it, of course.

 

[bluenorther]

This was my main worry when I began dating a client of mine a while back... she's a (former) executive trophy wife/yuppie suburban cheerleader mom, with a "professional" architect career.
I shoe horses for a living, including hers.
Her friends went gaga when they outed us, thought it was the best deal for us both.
I realized pretty soon, the relative disparity in earning potential didn't mean squat: Her ex was fleecing their joint retirement account, her career was in the toilet, and her expenses were out the roof.
Just when things couldn't get worse for her, she had a bad accident on a borrowed horse, and nearly ended up like Christopher Reeve. She'd already pulled the plug on us by then-- and her friends called her a crazy idiot for it.
She must have told them about our awesome sex.

 

[CardFan]

Part of the "women dating down" phenomenon is due to the confused state of the modern Western male. Men in offices are very careful about expressing their masculinity as they are fearful of women being offended and lashing out. As a result many white collar males end up repressed and thus unattractive.

Contrast this with men who work with their hands. They are in predominantly male-controlled environments where expressions of masculinity are condoned and encouraged. Women find that outward masculinity refreshing when compared to many henpecked white collar men.

 

[Nutz]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/05/17/professional.women.date.blue.collar/index.html

Look at the ages and the justifications.

<Nelson> Ha ha! </Nelson>

This is what happens when feminism and hypergamy collides. The eventual divorces and subsequent women paying alimony will be delicious irony.

Not to take anything away fom their accomplishments, but if they aren't hot, we don't care.

So true. Looks first, everything else second. That's the elephant in the room most feminsts care to ignore. And if you try to bring it up then you're a sexist pig or misogynist in their eyes. Truth is that it's just nature doing it's thing. Also, many women who are projecting how great their job and/or education is often come off as annoying and self-important.

 

[DanelMadr]

I've read the article and it is so unscientific it makes me smile. The comments under the article are much more interesting.

My view on this theme is:

Women are better students - they are more submissive, have better non-analytical memory and conform - they however study meaningless subjects and often work in meaningless jobs with immeasurable product. High five to female physicians, dentists and (more often not very good however) science girls. Although these are not very common occupations compared to human resources, marketing, gender pseudo scientist, bureaucratic etc.

Career women do marry down when they fall in love. However it is harder for them to respect a man who earns less. And it is much easier to drop their meaningless job, letting the man bring the bacon, discard the responsibility and find a work where they can socialize well but not work that much.

What absolutely shocks me is argument of some femi-nazi that "WOMEN BEING BETTER WITH CHILDREN" = SOCIAL BIAS. WTF????
I once got into debate about this, and guess what, they discard any argument even that they give birth and have to breast-feed, therefore they should stay at home at least for that.
If a woman prefers money/socializing to staying at home with her child I say she is useless as a woman. She shouldn't have kids. I tell that to femi-nazis and it shut them up...for a moment:"Not every woman feels maternal instincts and that is OK. She just shouldn't have any children and should stop telling people what is social bias and what is not, because clearly having no mother instincts is not a normal thing. Get over it."


I'd love to stay at home with kids, I am good with kids but I know I am not a mother...you can't beat that.

Fact: Any child needs very strong emotional support for first 4 years. Any trauma in this period and it can lead to serious psychological issues later.

Any parents who prefer luxury of both incomes instead of well-being of their offspring are selfish bastards. You can't go starving in western world on one income...you just need to prioritize.

The most stupid/weird always shout the most. That's why gay people, femi-nazis and other socialistic weasels with suicide tendencies produce so many BS in media. That's why I discarded my TV. It is like magnet - you have a sexual / political problem...have a job in TV station or newspaper and try to influence / spoil everyone, so you won't be alone and abnormal.

 

[Warrior74]

The most stupid/weird always shout the most. That's why gay people, femi-nazis and other socialistic weasels with suicide tendencies produce so many BS in media. That's why I discarded my TV. It is like magnet - you have a sexual / political problem...have a job in TV station or newspaper and try to influence / spoil everyone, so you won't be alone and abnormal.

Haha My 10 years in television has born this out. We had a gay producer who would always try to get his extreme liberal views in every show and even went so far as to do a whole special on a Child molester who was "presumed guilty". He tried to make the guy a sympathetic character and got us sued by the parents of the children for not showing the other side. Later it turns out the guy moved to another state is was arrested on new charges of touching boys while working at a freaking day care. That didn't help our lawsuit at all.

I've seen raging feminist and lesbians pushing their agenda, and I've seen hardcore nutjob rightwingers pushing theirs. The persons who rarely do that, are those who seem to be somewhat in the middle. They aren't trying to convert people, they are trying to live a decent life. They are the people who should be in charge, not the fringes.

 

[backbreaker]

here is something to think about, and i'm just throwing this out there.

martha custis's husband died in 1757 leaving her the richest widow in virginia nad quite possibly the richest widow in america at the time.


George Washington had been courting his neighboors wife behind his neighboors back for a while, didn't work out and they (the neighrboor) went and moved to england leaving him heartbtroken.

he meats martha custis and courts her, and marries her. at the time George washington was just the son of a widow himself, and a solider in the army. when he marries her he becomes the richest man in Virginia and becuase of his wealth now, he is allowed to do new things now, like become a statesman and become political.

Yes, if GW did not marry up america as we know it might not very well exist and i'm very serious. there was no one else to lead the army at the time and he would not have been in a position to be in the contential congress if he were working trying to earn a living.

 

[Inquisitus]

here is something to think about, and i'm just throwing this out there.

martha custis's husband died in 1757 leaving her the richest widow in virginia nad quite possibly the richest widow in america at the time.


George Washington had been courting his neighboors wife behind his neighboors back for a while, didn't work out and they (the neighrboor) went and moved to england leaving him heartbtroken.

he meats martha custis and courts her, and marries her. at the time George washington was just the son of a widow himself, and a solider in the army. when he marries her he becomes the richest man in Virginia and becuase of his wealth now, he is allowed to do new things now, like become a statesman and become political.

Yes, if GW did not marry up america as we know it might not very well exist and i'm very serious. there was no one else to lead the army at the time and he would not have been in a position to be in the contential congress if he were working trying to earn a living.

It's a bit different back then in that GW had the potential to become the leader of a colony/nation. He was an officer which meant that he was in a good position to move up and become influential in the future.

If he had been a ranker, Custis would probably not have considered him. In a way, it was win win for both. They gave each other access to the highest rung of colonial politics.

EDIT - Reading up a bit more on GW's career, he was not just a poor soldier, he was already a "war hero" and a senior soldier by the time he married Martha.

 

[backbreaker]

that is not the point, in that whole scheme of things i think you missed the point.

the point was that regardless if he was poor or middle class, he was not rich, and he still had to earn a living, until he met her. he went from working to spending all his time decorating mount vernon overnight because he could afford to.

he went from working to not having to work becuase of her wealth. and because he did not have to work, he had time to do things like go to the contentinal congress meeting, and the rest as they say is history.

more than anything it's just an interesting tid bit. not trying to prove anything either way.