"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Women like this are why I dont pay for First Dates

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Aaron B said:
As the man, I'm expected to risk rejection and approach her, get her number, and invite her on a date.

As the initiator, I choose the date activity. She either chooses to comply or she doesn't.

Since I'm not dependent on this one woman for dates, I don't allow her to dictate to me. I lead, and if she wants to spend time with me, she follows.
My sentiments exactly Aaron.

Going out to dinner don't happen unless we've f**ked. If she wants dinner that bad, guess what? We cook! And if she don't wanna do that, she gets the boot.

This is where I will pound the gavel!

Case closed. Guys need to show a backbone for women like these!
 

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You should never offer to buy her a drink when you first meet her, and you don't have to buy a lavish meal on the first date (don't supplicate) . That said, you don't have to avoid paying for the first date and buying an appetizer at the bar either (don't be cheap).

Ok, so she is using him for money, and he is using her for beauty (sex with one). We're not the same. We have different incentives. What is the problem? Want to see where the limits end? Go to a strip club where there are lots of hot (broke) women competing. It's a function of how good looking you are minus how good looking they are (degree days).

An Alpha male is generous.
 

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jafyk said:
W I did skim through the article and saw a place the lady said she would pay if the guy asked.
Well that's why you read the whole article before commenting. A few paragraphs later she completely contradicts herself as I showed.

Next time you make a post I'll be sure to only skim and argue based on what I read.
 

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It is really good social practise for WBAFC guys to pay for dinner dates with women and have some social practise at the same time. After all, her company being there is free. If you look at the overall market dynamics, people pay escorts to go on dinner dates with them - sometimes for practise, or to make an impression on their friends of seeing him with a hot girl that is pretending to enjoy herself with him (social proof).

If you don't like a particular arrangement, then don't go for it. It doesn't mean there are men out there who would not benefit from what arrangement if you won't.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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ArcBound said:
Well that's why you read the whole article before commenting. A few paragraphs later she completely contradicts herself as I showed.

Next time you make a post I'll be sure to only skim and argue based on what I read.
Ha ha my man. I'm guilty as charged but remember 2 wrongs don't make a right.
 
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I hope she uses her fifteen minutes of fame to fix her nose.

I don't blame women like her, she's just doing what she can to have a good life, enjoy the good life, it's these stupid men that take women out to expensive restaurants and throw their money about the place that are to blame.

You should never invest your hard earned money into a woman that hasn't earned that priviledge. My dates are relatively inexpensive because I don't believe you need to spend extravagant amounts of money on a date to have a good date.

My best date was taking a girl out to a bar and getting hammered with her, dancing with each other and going back to hers and getting it on. We actually brought each other drinks in and the drinks were relatively cheap, so we ended up spending about 30 each which isn't much in all fairness.
 

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Holy ****, who would pay anything for her? She is looking at camera #1 and her nose is looking at camera #5.

I think it's pretty bad that the article was trying to make her out to be traditional. A traditional ***** maybe.
 
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