"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Women in music - then and now

Yo'Mama

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I'll freely admit I'm quite nostalgic for the 1980's.

Recently I've been watching some videos of female groups/singers from that decade on YouTube. I'm talking about artists like:

- The Go Go's

- The Bangles

- Bananarama

- Kim Wilde

- Annie Lennox

The above were all mainstream 80/s singers/groups. But when watching these videos I was struck by how innocent they were . Even if they were singing about love or sex the girls would remain pretty much fully clothed. The girls are sexy but in a very wholesome way. And a lot of the music was edgy and meaningful, albeit in an upbeat way. The music videos themselves were also really humble affairs - often very plain and just showing the girls singing, not trying to be 'mini movies'.

Contrast that to mainstream female singers now.

- Lady GaGa

- Rhianna

- Christina Aguilera

- Shakira.

The videos featuring the above and others almost always seem to contain very overt, in your face, sex. There's nothing innocent or sweetly alluring about it anymore. It's totally brazen and the videos often feature near nudity. Also, in my opinion, the music itself sucks and none of these b*tches have anything of interest to say. It all feels manufactured and over produces.

I'm no prude, of course I like looking at hot, near naked females. But even though they are less hot I find the girls from the '80s actually sexier than the sluts in today's music vids.

Anyway as a wider question I wondered if anybody else would agree that this has had a wider influence and actually girl's today are more likely to display the *****y, girl power, vulgar traits or a Lady GaGa than the sweet but beguiling sexuality of a Go-Go's era Belinda Carlisle for example. Thoughts?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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The Bangles. Oh how many socks were ruined thinking about Susanna Hoffs. Teenage Warrior had no shame. Although Rhianna would have taken her place in my teenage mind. Seriously teenage boys give zero fvcks. The sexier the better. The 80s were about figuring out how to make music videos, the 90s were about pushing boundaries and after that it's been a free for all.
 

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There used to be some decent female-fronted bands, especially ones in the 90s. That dog, Frente, Garbage, and even Hole made some damn decent music. I'm trying to think of a non-manufactured female-fronted group of today, and I can't think of one.

The 90s may have been about pushing limits, but they were still making REAL music until the Spice Girls showed up. It was all downhill from there.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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disgustipated

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Desdinova said:
There used to be some decent female-fronted bands, especially ones in the 90s. That dog, Frente, Garbage, and even the band Kurt Cobain wrote half or their **** for made some damn decent music. I'm trying to think of a non-manufactured female-fronted group of today, and I can't think of one.

The 90s may have been about pushing limits, but they were still making REAL music until the Spice Girls showed up. It was all downhill from there.
Fixed. Guano Apes I liked too.
 

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There's an old saying: if there are more dancers onstage than musicians, it sucks.
 

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I don't know if you like country music, but Taylor Swift is pretty popular. Little Big Town (two female vocalists) has a nice sound too.
 

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Dear All,
Well I am hooked on the Afro Americans of the Thirties....Try Bessie Smith or Ethel Waters....The misery,sheer dejection in their voices....For Males I just love Paul Robeson....What a Man...In 1961 I saw him singing in the foundations of the Sydney Opera House....No Roof but he sang to the Workers and filled what was essentially an empty paddock with his incredible voice...he was on his way to East Germany for an operation,first time ha had a passport for umpteen years...What a rough time he had!...you can hear it in his voice.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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