"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Women Don't Trust Good Looking Men

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I'm 3 months out of long term relationship. For the first month or so, I was just taking it easy, not looking to date, and just went out just to grab a drink and chill.

After that, I was ready to date again. One issue I am repeatedly running into is that many women don't trust me. They expect me to be unfaithful, sleep around, etc. and I am not like that at all.

One of the main issues I encounter is when girls "lock up" when I try talking to them. Any sort of "daygame" approach has this potential, as girls sometimes freeze and can't really act normally around me.

This can sometimes happen even when I've seen the girl a second or third time, and they still can't quite relax.

I have gotten slightly discouraged by this.

One woman in particular was a) angry with me at first, b) then very nervous then c) ignored me completely the third time I spoke to her.

Any tips or pointers appreciated.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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That is very true. You have to wear normal clothes, no badboy shirts or anything. Also watch how you approach them, the moment you give the player vibe they resent you. C0cky funny comments, negs and DLVs only ruin your chance and reinforce their distrust.
 
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new_hotness said:
I'm 3 months out of long term relationship. For the first month or so, I was just taking it easy, not looking to date, and just went out just to grab a drink and chill.

After that, I was ready to date again. One issue I am repeatedly running into is that many women don't trust me. They expect me to be unfaithful, sleep around, etc. and I am not like that at all.

One of the main issues I encounter is when girls "lock up" when I try talking to them. Any sort of "daygame" approach has this potential, as girls sometimes freeze and can't really act normally around me.

This can sometimes happen even when I've seen the girl a second or third time, and they still can't quite relax.

I have gotten slightly discouraged by this.

One woman in particular was a) angry with me at first, b) then very nervous then c) ignored me completely the third time I spoke to her.

Any tips or pointers appreciated.
Some of them won't let a man "win" so if you do have a finer mug than her they may issue some confidence shrinking remarks or actions designed to stab your ego and back you up.

But I know what your talking about.
 

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new_hotness said:
One issue I am repeatedly running into is that many women don't trust me. They expect me to be unfaithful, sleep around, etc. and I am not like that at all.
This is the main issue, why do you think that?

Anyway I can relate to some of this thread. As Ive "gone up in the game" Ive noticed it is frustratingly difficult to connect with shy girls as I once did before. Once they figure out this guy is confidence and sex/relationships arent a big deal to him, more comfortable with himself and with his body than they are all of a sudden they lock up and start to disqualify themselves.

Occasionally they might ask me if I ever take myself seriously or basically to have less fun to come back down to their reality. Alot of girls definitely feel intimidated, not in a scary way, but in a "holy **** Im not ready for this kind of guy/experience" kind of way. Thankfully its obviously the uptight inexperienced girls who fall into this category that Ive accidentally alienated myself from.
 

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One girl I dated a while back, I think her problem was that she knew that my SMV was above hers. It caused a lot of insecure behavior on her part. She obviously did not trust me at all, even though I gave her no reason not to. The insecure BS really started to get on my nerves though. The guy she shacked up with after me...lets just say she didn't upgrade. He looks like Pauly Shore.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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GS750 said:
One girl I dated a while back, I think her problem was that she knew that my SMV was above hers. It caused a lot of insecure behavior on her part. She obviously did not trust me at all, even though I gave her no reason not to. The insecure BS really started to get on my nerves though. The guy she shacked up with after me...lets just say she didn't upgrade. He looks like Pauly Shore.
In contrast it did make her "feel" better. This is why they will get with someone who "looks" aren't as better, sometimes they just "feel" better.
 

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This is a bit speculative and theoretical for sure, but I will say it anyway.

I think many women these days are saturated in feminist ideology. Therefore, strong masculine energy may frighten them. I have a very deep voice and I tend to talk significantly louder than the average man.

Over the years, I have tried to "tone down" these qualities, but they are natural for me so of course I cannot change except to a modest degree.

--I just saw a couple walk by outside, and the man was wearing very tight red pants. WTF?
 

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First world problems.

Imagine if you were an ugly beta who couldn't get laid
 

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DaddyLongShanks said:
In contrast it did make her "feel" better. This is why they will get with someone who "looks" aren't as better, sometimes they just "feel" better.
Makes sense. But I'd rather be handsome than look like him :up:
 

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new_hotness said:
I'm 3 months out of long term relationship. For the first month or so, I was just taking it easy, not looking to date, and just went out just to grab a drink and chill.

After that, I was ready to date again. One issue I am repeatedly running into is that many women don't trust me. They expect me to be unfaithful, sleep around, etc. and I am not like that at all.

One of the main issues I encounter is when girls "lock up" when I try talking to them. Any sort of "daygame" approach has this potential, as girls sometimes freeze and can't really act normally around me.

This can sometimes happen even when I've seen the girl a second or third time, and they still can't quite relax.

I have gotten slightly discouraged by this.

One woman in particular was a) angry with me at first, b) then very nervous then c) ignored me completely the third time I spoke to her.

Any tips or pointers appreciated.
They may not trust you, but they certainly will fvck you...
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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As much as I'd like to believe the only problem is that I'm too good looking, something tells me otherwise.
 

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I agree. Many women, of late, have been Interrogating me practically tryin to sniff out lies. They ASSUME that I'm lying. I'm tired of having to explain myself to them. Maybe I've just got a bad batch. I'll say something was an emergency and she'll say that in her experience that I didn't have an emergency. It's like "ok, What words do you want me to use now...? I don't always use the correct word.
 

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So, I did do an approach today, with a model caliber girl.

Didn't know who she was, but turns out she is a local media celebrity. She did look vaguely familiar, so I probably did see her on tv before.

She did a proximity approach: she sat at a table several tables away, saw me, then sat at the table closest to me.

It took me a while, but I did strike up a conversation. She took out her earbuds and we talked for a good while. She was friendly and engaged but in a slightly cold way, not smiling excessively or showing any signs of nerves.

I went back to work and she left a bit after, turning to check me out and smile before she left.

So this is what it's like when you approach a hot girl who is on your level, proximity approach rather than full approach, friendly but reserved, encouraging of more interaction by staring and smiling.
 

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True. BUT its still better to be a good looking man.

Women don't trust good looking men because good looking men have abundance. Good looking men remind them that they are not that special and can be replaced. Good looking men can also get easy access to sex.. so they make women insecure. Good looking men force women to have GAME because looks alone will not cut it since he can get that easily.

Good looking men have standards.. something most women are not used to. They are used to drooling beta losers worshiping them regardless of their lack of personality and lack of game. With a good looking man.. a woman must have personality or she will be f*cked and chucked. And she knows this. So her rejection of him is really to avoid future rejection of her crappy personality that she knows will come once the good looking man gets to know her.

In short.. good looking men make women own up to the reality that they have little to offer outside of sex appeal. Good looking men make them feel "lost in the crowd" and unimportant.

This is a good problem to have OP. And my tip to you is to stop dating women below your league. If you are a good looking man then you need to date women who are better looking than you. Move to LA if you need to. You should be dating aspiring models not regular cute girls. Only extremely attractive women will act naturally around you.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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My IQ just went up by like 50 points reading Poon King's post.
 

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Poon King again.
 

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Poon King makes some great points, but remember that most men overrate their own looks, and not every woman is attracted to the same type. There is no man or woman who every person will say is good looking.

It's ok for a girl to say you are good looking, but if you ever say it you will seem feminine and she will put you in your place.

It's better to define yourself as someone with options and what Poon King says holds true.
 

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Suspens said:
You have to wear normal clothes, no badboy shirts or anything.
Describe to me what a 'bad boy shirt' is please...

You shouldn't live by titles...
 

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new_hotness said:
After that, I was ready to date again. One issue I am repeatedly running into is that many women don't trust me. They expect me to be unfaithful, sleep around, etc. and I am not like that at all.
It seems odd to me that if you go by most of the advice around here, guys don't want girls to trust them. They want to convince them that they might be seeing other girls on the side (whether they are or not), they never want them to be too sure. This is supposedly seen as some sort of ideal situation. So it's strange to see someone complain about it.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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