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I'm in no way saying women are angels or make any sense or anything. I'm just saying that focusing on one group of women is counter-productive and will just lead to bitterness, even if you have the girl of your dreams or are getting laid on a regular basis or whatever it is that you want.

Yes, it's good to have your guard up, even when you've found a "good woman"...but the generalizations and stereotypes don't lead to a healthy mind.

I think part of it also is that the guys on here go for the "really hot" women...and it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Most really hot women are aware of how hot they are and how much guys want them (I'm talking AWs and 9s/10s or women that think they're 9s/10s) and will just ignore or manipulate any guy that doesn't fit their standards.

I tried to add a friend of the family on facebook...HB9/10...her dad was my little league coach, her brother was my friend and on the team, and my mom and her mom are still friends. That didn't stop her from denying my friend request.

The way I see it...ignore the AWs and b**ches. They're fairly easy to spot, and they aren't going to change, even if you call them on it.

Why not focus on the cute girl that is more fun to be around?

Yes, I know some of those women have bad attitudes too (in fact I've met plenty of ugly women who are b**ches too) but some 9/10 at a bar or club, what are you expecting, a Sandra Bullock type of personality?
 

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DoItAgain said:
I tried to add a friend of the family on facebook...HB9/10...her dad was my little league coach, her brother was my friend and on the team, and my mom and her mom are still friends. That didn't stop her from denying my friend request.
Many times it's not you that's the problem, you could be a cool guy but whatever, maybe the girl doesn't see you that way anyway. Sometimes it's not that you did something wrong, it's her not you... People look at stuff in a different way. Maybe if it happened to another girl she would accept the request, who knows what's on this girls mind anyway?

I was just writing this to no particular situation, specificlly in your case I don't really know exactly what was the deal, so I can't speculate why she didn't accept it... Did you guys ever talk, does she even know who you are? Maybe she still thinks that it's innapropriate to give a friend request to someone who you never even talked to, could be something like that, which in that case I disagree... (It's like that time some girls said hi to me and my friend in the beach one day while we were passing by and we didn't say anything. Then I told him: Dude they said hi to us! and he said: Are you crazy? I said: No, it's true. Then I went to talk to them (he didn't want to come with me after I asked him and insisted at least 3 times) and he was all like: You don't even know them, and they don't know you from anywhere! I was not going there I'm not crazy. I don't think there's anything wrong with doing stuff like that at all.)


But I don't think this stuff is worth thinking about too much. If I saw her on the street and if I had a chance I'd ask her why didn't she take the friend request? But what are the odds that she would give a honest response? I don't know, but maybe they're slim lol.

Sorry for missing the point of this thread completley, I just wanted to write that first paragraph even if it doesn't have much to do with the topic. I had to write that somewhere, maybe it's gonna ring some bells to someone anyway.
 

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In my 34 yrs on this earth, I have never seen women as classless, disloyal, whorish, and selfish as I do now. It has gotten so bad that I cannot even consider marrying an American woman. Times have changed.
 

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Falcon25 said:
In my 34 yrs on this earth, I have never seen women as classless, disloyal, whorish, and selfish as I do now. It has gotten so bad that I cannot even consider marrying an American woman. Times have changed.

Maybe some truth to this. I have several years on you Falcon and years back they sure did not seem this way to me. Even decent looking women can act a fool. I am not saying ALL act this way, but I have seen my share.

For me, I am very picky these days!!! I mean very picky and just because she has a GOLden TaCo does not mean she can be disrespectful or act anyway she wants. I love the saying, "treat me good and I will treat you better. treat me bad and I will treat your worse." By all means I will be respectful to women, but will not tolerate disrespect in any shape form or fashion.

The older I get the less I will put up with.
 

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Yes but that has everything to do with social norms and nothing to do with women's individual capacity for good and bad behaviour.

I'd like to see Mike Judge, instead of relaunching Beavis and Butthead (let's face it the VH1 demographic has changed), do an 2010 update with their female equivalent. Because Falcon I agree with you. For too long mocking women has been taboo and equivalent to misogyny but if we're going to let them run wild we should damn well be able to call a spade a spade.

The supporting cast of the show would be the endless parade of misguided boys too dazzled by their beauty and projecting good qualities on them to see how vapid, shallow, and irredeemable Beavisina and Butt-Butt are in reality. Women would never forgive VH1 for showing it.

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"Madonna is soooo OLD AND BORING. Why doesn't she copy someone who's actually good and original, like Miley Cyrus? Or like, just die?"
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"Mmmkay, girls... I'd like to talk to you about this "sexting". Understand, I don't want to discourage you from exploring your burgeoning sexuality, which is a beautiful thing for a developing young girl to explore and discover as she flowers into a woman --"

"Ewwww! Creepy!"

"But you were supposed to be completing the assignment I gave you, not performing suggestive acts with produce we reserved for the home ec class, mmkay? I'm afraid I have no choice but to keep you after class young ladies."

"This sucks!" "Van Driessen is being totally unfair!" "We should call dad."
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"Edward is so hot!"
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Oh man I'd just love it.
 

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DoItAgain said:
I'm in no way saying women are angels or make any sense or anything. I'm just saying that focusing on one group of women is counter-productive and will just lead to bitterness, even if you have the girl of your dreams or are getting laid on a regular basis or whatever it is that you want.

Yes, it's good to have your guard up, even when you've found a "good woman"...but the generalizations and stereotypes don't lead to a healthy mind.
The problem is that some people confuse discussing women's behaviors for bashing. If women shout out all men are pigs, and rapist, that's bashing. If we discuss how and (more importantly WHY) a woman behaves in a certain way and what we can learn from it, that's not bashing. If we say they all are disgusting *****s and sluts who should be stoned to death...that's bashing. If we point out something stupid a woman has done, that's not bashing..thats pointing out stupidity. She did it, we know its stupid, facts are facts. Calling all women dumb cvnts and saying they all are evil...again, bashing. Know the difference people!

DoItAgain said:
I think part of it also is that the guys on here go for the "really hot" women...and it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Most really hot women are aware of how hot they are and how much guys want them (I'm talking AWs and 9s/10s or women that think they're 9s/10s) and will just ignore or manipulate any guy that doesn't fit their standards.
I agree with you on this partially. Not that you shouldn't try to pull the hottest ass you can pull. Go for it, but understand what you are getting into. I'm not the best looking guy, I'm not rich, I am pretty social, but I know that I don't have a lot of the things vapid 10s go for, except game. On a few occasions that has made all of the difference. It's allowed me to score but not keep a vapid 9/10 in the past.


DoItAgain said:
I tried to add a friend of the family on facebook...HB9/10...her dad was my little league coach, her brother was my friend and on the team, and my mom and her mom are still friends. That didn't stop her from denying my friend request.

The way I see it...ignore the AWs and b**ches. They're fairly easy to spot, and they aren't going to change, even if you call them on it.

Why not focus on the cute girl that is more fun to be around?

Yes, I know some of those women have bad attitudes too (in fact I've met plenty of ugly women who are b**ches too) but some 9/10 at a bar or club, what are you expecting, a Sandra Bullock type of personality?
It could be a ton of reasons the chic didn't add you. I won't add my mom to my facebook because, why should I? Or some of my family. They don't need to be on there.

Yah. The Girl next door can be just as vapid and shallow as the Super Hot Chic. But I know some hot chics who have the best personalities, they just get tired of getting approached by fvckwits everyday. That's why they have the ***** sheild, but if you know them already they aren't like that to everyone else. Just you. Because your lame in your approach. That's why game is the best thing for men to learn when it comes to dealing with women.
 

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Falcon25 said:
In my 34 yrs on this earth, I have never seen women as classless, disloyal, whorish, and selfish as I do now. It has gotten so bad that I cannot even consider marrying an American woman. Times have changed.
On the money.

There are a few guys on this forum who are throwing around the label "misogynist" whenever discussion of the general behavior of women comes up.

The fact is that in the evolution of this forum, the time has come to discuss what we are clearly perceiving on a societal level, not because we aimlessly want to bash women, but because we need to identify what we are dealing with and develop a methodolgy to deal with the issues. It is MOST IMPORTANT that we discuss these issues because the worst thing we can do is to throw up our hands and say, "What can I do? That's just the way it is."

If I hear that label "misogynist" one more time....

Interestingly, it's almost always the younger crowd who bellows out this label (except for one guy in his 30's who is on a crusade about this subject). In my view this clearly illustrates the effect that femminine and femminist education has had on these younger lads. Throwing out those simplistic labels is a decidely weak and femminine trait, and it is becoming the status quo in many young men.

We need to discuss every aspect of male/female relations, the good, the bad, and the ugly, in order to figure out a way to deal with the current state of affairs. Most of the younger guys here are completely, utterly blind to the following fact: Women have not in fact "always been this way". You are under a delusion if you think that, because you've been told that. Us older guys, however, have lived it, not just read about it. When I was in my teens, twenties, and even into my 30's women in general had much more decency and showed more respect to men, although a steady erosion was visible. Interestingly, it was insanely easy to get laid back then. There was none of this "picky-ness" that the women of today are now showing. Now the dense guys here will rail against me and say "times were different then. I'm tired of hearing about the "good old days". We're in a different era."

Precisely my point! We older guys are not talking about "how it used to be" in order to pointlessly bemoan some kind of "golden age". Rather, we are trying to point out something that the younger guys simply have no way of knowing because of the revisionist history they've been exposed to: Namely, that women have "always been the way they are". Absolutely not true.

Have they always had the same tendancies? Yes, absolutely. But today in this sick society those tendancies have become accepted and even encouraged, to the detriment and almost complete obliteration of male/female relationships. The very existence of this forum illustrates how sick our society has become. People have been meeting and mating since the dawn of time, and today we find ourselves examining our nevels in order to figure out how to "attract" a woman. Nature has been disrupted by our societal experimants and contrivances (femminism mostly, and the fault lies with men, not women.

Men, because of fear of rejection, have allowed their world to be turned upside-down. A few femminist loud-mouths were the spark that spawned the flame, and the toxic shame that many if not most men were taught has caused them to lose all backbone and coincidentally lose the respect of women in the process.

Nature will have her way. Society can play with social contrivances for a little while, but nature will always win out. Today our society is steeped in a bizarre sickness, a reversal of genders in many ways, and this will only last for so long until the implosion occurs. I see it on the horizon now. I like to think that we are on the forefront of change. By discussing these issues, we are preparing society for the normaqlization of gender roles and social understanding.

Throwing around the label of "misogynist" only serves to thwart our efforts and hold us back from being proactive.

NEVER accept "how it is". Be prepared to SACRIFICE in order to effect change for our sons and grandsons. We need to discuss this stuff now in order to prepare for the work we have ahead of us. The simple-minded, female-educated youngsters will yell, "misogynist" and shake their heads at what they perceive as old-timers wishing for yesteryear. But the more intelligent, aware youngsters, and most of the oldsters will recognize that this is not aimless, pointless bashing. Rather, it is necessary discourse in order to formulate the game plan. Some can see it, some are simply unable to. There's more to defining the parameters of today's society than meets the eye. When you have lived through the changes instead of just reading about them, you have a different perspective. You cannot tell a fish that it is wet. It never knew anything but living in water, so it can't imagine what it is to be out of the water. Similarly, if you were born in recent decades, you can't know what male/female relations were like 30 or 40 years ago, except by the revisionist history that is out there. The battle cry is always, "Women have always been this way!" WRONG! Open up your minds to the possibility that you were born into a bizarre carnival of sick, twisted gender issues that have NEVER been the norm.

I suspect there are lots of typos in this, but I've got to get out of here.
 

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I know that I don't have a lot of the things vapid 10s go for
Just curious to get your perspective on this:
What are the things vapid 10s go for?
 

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On the money.

There are a few guys on this forum who are throwing around the label "misogynist" whenever discussion of the general behavior of women comes up.

The fact is that in the evolution of this forum, the time has come to discuss what we are clearly perceiving on a societal level, not because we aimlessly want to bash women, but because we need to identify what we are dealing with and develop a methodolgy to deal with the issues. It is MOST IMPORTANT that we discuss these issues because the worst thing we can do is to throw up our hands and say, "What can I do? That's just the way it is."

If I hear that label "misogynist" one more time....

Interestingly, it's almost always the younger crowd who bellows out this label (except for one guy in his 30's who is on a crusade about this subject). In my view this clearly illustrates the effect that femminine and femminist education has had on these younger lads. Throwing out those simplistic labels is a decidely weak and femminine trait, and it is becoming the status quo in many young men.

We need to discuss every aspect of male/female relations, the good, the bad, and the ugly, in order to figure out a way to deal with the current state of affairs. Most of the younger guys here are completely, utterly blind to the following fact: Women have not in fact "always been this way". You are under a delusion if you think that, because you've been told that. Us older guys, however, have lived it, not just read about it. When I was in my teens, twenties, and even into my 30's women in general had much more decency and showed more respect to men, although a steady erosion was visible. Interestingly, it was insanely easy to get laid back then. There was none of this "picky-ness" that the women of today are now showing. Now the dense guys here will rail against me and say "times were different then. I'm tired of hearing about the "good old days". We're in a different era."

Precisely my point! We older guys are not talking about "how it used to be" in order to pointlessly bemoan some kind of "golden age". Rather, we are trying to point out something that the younger guys simply have no way of knowing because of the revisionist history they've been exposed to: Namely, that women have "always been the way they are". Absolutely not true.

Have they always had the same tendancies? Yes, absolutely. But today in this sick society those tendancies have become accepted and even encouraged, to the detriment and almost complete obliteration of male/female relationships. The very existence of this forum illustrates how sick our society has become. People have been meeting and mating since the dawn of time, and today we find ourselves examining our nevels in order to figure out how to "attract" a woman. Nature has been disrupted by our societal experimants and contrivances (femminism mostly, and the fault lies with men, not women.

Men, because of fear of rejection, have allowed their world to be turned upside-down. A few femminist loud-mouths were the spark that spawned the flame, and the toxic shame that many if not most men were taught has caused them to lose all backbone and coincidentally lose the respect of women in the process.

Nature will have her way. Society can play with social contrivances for a little while, but nature will always win out. Today our society is steeped in a bizarre sickness, a reversal of genders in many ways, and this will only last for so long until the implosion occurs. I see it on the horizon now. I like to think that we are on the forefront of change. By discussing these issues, we are preparing society for the normaqlization of gender roles and social understanding.

Throwing around the label of "misogynist" only serves to thwart our efforts and hold us back from being proactive.

NEVER accept "how it is". Be prepared to SACRIFICE in order to effect change for our sons and grandsons. We need to discuss this stuff now in order to prepare for the work we have ahead of us. The simple-minded, female-educated youngsters will yell, "misogynist" and shake their heads at what they perceive as old-timers wishing for yesteryear. But the more intelligent, aware youngsters, and most of the oldsters will recognize that this is not aimless, pointless bashing. Rather, it is necessary discourse in order to formulate the game plan. Some can see it, some are simply unable to. There's more to defining the parameters of today's society than meets the eye. When you have lived through the changes instead of just reading about them, you have a different perspective. You cannot tell a fish that it is wet. It never knew anything but living in water, so it can't imagine what it is to be out of the water. Similarly, if you were born in recent decades, you can't know what male/female relations were like 30 or 40 years ago, except by the revisionist history that is out there. The battle cry is always, "Women have always been this way!" WRONG! Open up your minds to the possibility that you were born into a bizarre carnival of sick, twisted gender issues that have NEVER been the norm.

I suspect there are lots of typos in this, but I've got to get out of here.
Everything and i mean everything said in this post is true.I will only add that the internet,cell phones,and texting has contributed to these problems.Cheating has been around forever but nowdays shows like jersey shore,desperate house wives,sex in the city ect actually condone it wtf? The younger gereration has been brought up watching these shows and think this is how life really is? I have a 15 yo daughter and i love her to death but im so glad i didnt have any more kids as fvcked up as society is today!!!! I can only imagine what my daughter will see in her life time? Im 41 so im old enough to remember what it was like.
 

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Are the girls growing up now different than they were when I was growing up? I suppose they are. I've been concerned about where the kids growing up today will be getting their morals from. TV and the media just teaches young girls that they should be sexy from a very young age.

Now when I was growing up, it was the aftermath of the "free sex revolution" in the sixties. So there was that going on. But apart from that there seemed to be a little more sense of morality than what I see now. But there have always been slvtty women, and probably always will be.

The question is are there are enough quality women being brought up now so that the guys coming up now will have a chance to land a good woman? I suppose if they come from good families with good values they will be there. But how many such families are there now?

The other thing I would say is that young women will want to experiment, just as young men want to experiment. All young people go through some sort of rebellious stage. So if the young girls today are behaving badly, is it because they are going through that phase, or is it because they were brought up without values?
 

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Atom Smasher said:
Most of the younger guys here are completely, utterly blind to the following fact: Women have not in fact "always been this way". You are under a delusion if you think that, because you've been told that. Us older guys, however, have lived it, not just read about it. When I was in my teens, twenties, and even into my 30's women in general had much more decency and showed more respect to men, although a steady erosion was visible. Interestingly, it was insanely easy to get laid back then. There was none of this "picky-ness" that the women of today are now showing. Now the dense guys here will rail against me and say "times were different then. I'm tired of hearing about the "good old days". We're in a different era."
Interesting. I'm 24 and I'm curious about what the dating scene was like back then from a guy that actually lived through the period. I imagine there was a golden "free love" era from the advent of birth control (mid 60s through the 70s and early 80s) when lots of AVERAGE guys were getting laid, not just alphas. I think the AIDS scare of the early 80s promptly put an end to this.

And your point about the "picky-ness" of modern women is interesting. How did it come about, and what do you think induced the change between then and now when even good decent average blokes have a hard time getting laid?
 

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spinaroonie said:
And your point about the "picky-ness" of modern women is interesting. How did it come about, and what do you think induced the change between then and now when even good decent average blokes have a hard time getting laid?
Good question, and I have a few theories...and I'm sure there are a lot more.

I live in an area mostly full of families and middle aged women. The few attractive women there are (let's say 7 or above) are probably wanted greatly by every guy in their social circle...and at least some of those guys are really good looking/cool/whatever. So it gets to their heads and they have an entitlement mentality. So some guy approaches them on the street looking for a date, and she thinks "I can do better than him easy" or "Why should I talk to him? I have plenty of guys to talk to already."

My other theory is that women in general overestimate their worth and value to men based on the fact that even an UG3 nowadays has a lot of AFCs lining up because they're desperate for sex.

It's all about supply and demand.

I noticed women were a lot nicer down South...because there are so many attractive women...that an HB8 is just "any other girl" down there.
 

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And your point about the "picky-ness" of modern women is interesting. How did it come about, and what do you think induced the change between then and now when even good decent average blokes have a hard time getting laid?
Is it really harder to get laid now than it was 20-25 years ago?

I really don't know, but if so what DoItAgain says makes some sense, and I would add this: There are so many more young women today with obesity problems in the US. I know way moreso than in my day. Back then I recall they didn't start to blimp out until they got older. But anyway, with all the heavier girls around, I imagine the fit ones do get a huge amount of male attention. And they probably do get to pick from quite a large pool of guys. So that could be why they are pickier (assuming you are talking about the attractive ones).
 

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DoItAgain said:
I live in an area mostly full of families and middle aged women. The few attractive women there are (let's say 7 or above) are probably wanted greatly by every guy in their social circle...and at least some of those guys are really good looking/cool/whatever. So it gets to their heads and they have an entitlement mentality. So some guy approaches them on the street looking for a date, and she thinks "I can do better than him easy" or "Why should I talk to him? I have plenty of guys to talk to already."
And how is this different from the 70s? Although zekko makes a good point about the obesity epidemic - the sheer number of blimps even as young as 20 waddling around today is staggering - never before in human history has it been to this degree. Roissy had a great post on the obesity epidemic leading to scarcity and entitlement for women... and more game for men.

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/03/07/obesity-to-blame-for-game/

Which brings me to my theory: Game has been refined, taught and embraced by men in direct proportion to the shrinking pool of attractive thin girls. As the reduced supply of skinny chicks have seen their sexual market value skyrocket, they have adjusted by pricing their ***** out of reach for the average guy. In return, men have sought solutions to this new challenge in the rapidly advancing science of seduction. Where simple courtship worked in the past, it is no longer effective against the deep bunker defenses of the in-demand slender woman.

There has always been an evolutionary arms race between men and women in the quest for sex but now, for the first time in human history, the sheer numbers of fat chicks – in concert with the increase of financially independent women – is accelerating this arms race so fast that many people can’t cope and drop out. The tools of seduction for men become better by the day and the women counter with more impenetrable defenses. The tension is palpable. The whining and *****ing is cacophonic. Distrust and dating blogs are at record highs.

If just 20% of fat chicks lost weight relations between the sexes would start to noticeably improve. And there would be more happiness in the world, because a skinny girl with hunger pangs is happier than a fat girl with a sheepdog and peanut butter.
 

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It's frustrating because before I didn't have the confidence and personality to attract women, and I worked hard to develop it, only to find out that it's all for nothing.

3 years ago I couldn't even look my attractive milf cousin in the eyes, now I can go on blind dates and talk to them like I've known them my whole life, and I'm still a 26 year old virgin. I'm not even looking to have sex with a 10, not yet anyway...just a 6 or 7 like myself. You'd think I was trying to win the lottery or something.

Even the 6/7s where I live have the princess mentality.
 

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What's sad is there are probably more 26 year old male virgins like DoItAgain today than at any point in American history.

Had DoItAgain been born two generations ago, he'd be hooked up with a cute, pleasant, slim, doting wife and three young kids. The DoItAgains of today are scouring sosuave trying to figure out how to get a date... any date.
 

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In my personal opinion, the American society is structured so that a marriage is bound to fail. You don't get 68 percent divorce rate by accident. To put this into perspective, 7 out of 10 women you meet, will leave you. Those are unbelievable numbers.

I have noticed two things (This is majority, not all American women, as in any race, there's always good ones too);

An American woman doesn't even consider anything serious till "time is running out" on her. Unless of course she is ultra religious or something. What I mean is, a woman doesn't start maturing in America till after 27 yrs of age. She really doesn't care about marriage or kids till her ovaries start freezing over.

Second. I believe that once a woman does marry in American society, she has MANY outs. Meaning, she is financially secure if she makes the decision to leave. This is usually not the case in other countries. Usually, a wife has to go back to her dad's house if her husband and her split up. Here, she has divorce courts, family courts, welfare, state aid, federal aid, and not to mention that she can make the same money in the private sector on her side.

She really has nothing to lose. I have read countless articles of how women were delaying divorce because of the current economic climate. Delaying? 88 percent of divorces are initiated by women.

I believe that in a matriarichal society such as the United States, you will always see divorces in 70 percent range. Women are not taught to be wives or mothers here, they are taught to compete in the work force, do what they want, and etc. They only get into marriage and child birth because their nature makes them feel that something is missing in their late twenties. I could give you stories after stories of these chivks who I would have sex with (along with many others) who married in their late twenties as if nothing happened. Just because they were "ready" to settle down. The roles are reversed in the United States.

I would recommend marrying a non-American woman. To further your chances I would highly look for a woman over 27 yrs of age if you do want to marry an American woman. Even then, I think she will get "bored" and leave you. You really have to look very deep and careful with American women. They are no longer like your mothers. This generation is completely different.
 

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The first 24 or so years of my life, I have no one to blame but myself. On top of not being a catch, I was insecure, had no self-esteem, had extreme depression and wasn't getting any help for it, and was extremely shy. I corrected all of that the past couple years, and the only women I have to show for it are facebook related. I met my HB ex on facebook. The few dates I've got were facebook related and were more social proof related (going to the same high school.)

I was on pof for a couple years until I got sick of being rejected by 6s/7s that weren't even my type to begin with and they thought they deserved Brad Pitt.

My only option, where I live, is cold approaching waitresses/hostesses, women at malls and the like.
 

Warrior74

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zekko said:
Just curious to get your perspective on this:
What are the things vapid 10s go for?
The truely vapid. Not just the local hot chic are the gold diggers. No gold here. I'm not tall or particularly handsome or rich. You know, the holy trifecta guys here argue about all the time. If you aren't those, there isn't much you can do but learn game and be the best you can. And hit the gym.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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