"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I'm new here as you all can see.

I have a few questions I want answers to. I have asked this before on another forum but the answers I received were from women, not so much from men and also, my thread turned from innocent to men-women bashing thread or women who think they know better.

I want to know what men really think about ONS and if you did have one, why did you?

Do men really want women who play hard to get? Even if you have been seeing each other for, let's say 2 - 3 years... do you still expect her to pull back now and then? (I asked this on another forum and most said yes - answers and input came from women, just so you know).

I have more but these are all I can think of at the moment.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Do men really want women who play hard to get? Even if you have been seeing each other for, let's say 2 - 3 years... do you still expect her to pull back now and then? (I asked this on another forum and most said yes - answers and input came from women, just so you know).
The simple answer is no. Why mess up a good thing with drama and games? There has to be a good reason for doing something like that, and without one why bother?
 

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You're asking for a definitive answer with no definitve plausabilities.

There's no way that you'll get an answer which will complete, ultimately, your question. There are a myriad of factors and complications to consider.

It doesn't really amount to what a guy you've banged down thinks about you after you've given him your body because it's how you feel about yourself afterwards which matters most.

If you've had a one nighter, how do you feel emotionally after the guy has left? I assure you the caliber of his mentality is the caliber of how he'll treat you.

It boils down to what you've gained in reflection from the experience as opposed to what you've given away.
 

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"I want to know what men really think about ONS and if you did have one, why did you?"

I wanted to connect spiritually with my soulmate and feel the harmony and interconnection of our hearts beating powerfully as one.

Ok seriously I was just looking to get laid.

Not much more to say than that lmfao. :up:

"Do men really want women who play hard to get? Even if you have been seeing each other for, let's say 2 - 3 years... do you still expect her to pull back now and then? (I asked this on another forum and most said yes - answers and input came from women, just so you know)."

Nope. I see that bullsh!t for what it is these days ie games playing.

Which in my book is an automatic next.

"I have more but these are all I can think of at the moment"

Cool.
 
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KarmaSutra said:
It doesn't really amount to what a guy you've banged down thinks about you after you've given him your body because it's how you feel about yourself afterwards which matters most.
I haven't had a ONS before and I don't intend to. It's just something I read on a lot. How women feel afterwards - for me, it's simple. Don't get into it if you know how it'd make you feel after the ONS is over.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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KontrollerX said:
"Do men really want women who play hard to get? Even if you have been seeing each other for, let's say 2 - 3 years... do you still expect her to pull back now and then? (I asked this on another forum and most said yes - answers and input came from women, just so you know)."

Nope. I see that bullsh!t for what it is these days ie games playing.

Which in my book is an automatic next.
Can you believe it that women aged 25 - 38 or maybe more, still play games? I have seen it and also, read about it which to me is really sad.

Maybe I am wired differently or I really don't see the point in playing games but most of them when I point out something for playing mind games, I get blasted for them! "That's how you should teach men" - okay. I am surrounded by male most of the times - my family and relatives so I guess my mentality is somewhat different of a female - a majority of them.
 

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Damn.

Now you sound like my kind of woman Allaia.

Too bad you probably don't live in Michigan.

Anyway though yeah some people thrive on games as to them it keeps things exciting.

I just see it as a way to disguise one's boring personality or merely a trick to get someone momentarily involved with you only to find out you aren't all that exciting as the game's playing made you out to be.
 

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Damn.

Now you sound like my kind of woman Allaia.
Haha - nice to know.

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Too bad you probably don't live in Michigan.
Isn't it like late in the AM there? If so, you're still up?

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Anyway though yeah some people thrive on games as to them it keeps things exciting.

I just see it as a way to disguise one's boring personality or merely a trick to get someone momentarily involved with you only to find out you aren't all that exciting as the game's playing made you out to be.
There are plenty of ways to make things exciting - relationships, marriages etc. Some people just love playing games, that's what I think.
 

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"Isn't it like late in the AM there? If so, you're still up?"

Indeed it is early morning here.

6:39am to be precise.

I got caught up in completing a project as well posting here and am a night owl by nature so here I am still lol.
 

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Allaia said:
I'm new here as you all can see.

I have a few questions I want answers to. I have asked this before on another forum but the answers I received were from women, not so much from men and also, my thread turned from innocent to men-women bashing thread or women who think they know better.

I want to know what men really think about ONS and if you did have one, why did you?

Do men really want women who play hard to get? Even if you have been seeing each other for, let's say 2 - 3 years... do you still expect her to pull back now and then? (I asked this on another forum and most said yes - answers and input came from women, just so you know).

I have more but these are all I can think of at the moment.
iqqi???? lol I must be in a suspicious mood:crazy:
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Heh heh I thought it might be iqqi as well hithard but so far this poster seems cool.

The location thing saying "nowhere near you" is similar to iqqi's phrase "beyond your peripheral vision" so it made me suspicious.

I suppose time will tell.
 

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Heh heh I thought it might be iqqi as well hithard but so far this poster seems cool.

The location thing saying "nowhere near you" is similar to iqqi's phrase "beyond your peripheral vision" so it made me suspicious.

I suppose time will tell.
Mine was actually "Not on your bed" on the other forum but I didn't want to stir anything up here. :whistle:

Yup, time will tell. I can't expect anyone to accept me without being suspicious, hey?
 

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Yeah thats true.

Its unfortunate if you are a new legitimate poster here that you had to arrive just when it was revealed iqqi was a guy and a traitor to his gender and driven from the forum but in anycase as long as you be cool, you'll be cool with all of us.

So no worries. :up:
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Well we thought iqqi was a girl on this forum for the longest time.

A girl that gave extremely bad advice.

It turns out however after iqqi sold us out on Loveshack it was revealed that she was actually a he.

Iqqi was instead a guy that gave us bad advice.
 

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Same username over there as here but then the topic got mysteriously deleted after iqqi told you all about our raid.
 

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Same username over there as here but then the topic got mysteriously deleted after iqqi told you all about our raid.
Wow.

That was really low of him. Do you guys ban traitors like that? I wonder what made him do that...
 

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Well I'd like to think we do but such decisions are left up to the owner of this site Allen and his many moderators.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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