"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Wingmen: friend or foe?

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Usually when im out with a certain friend and there's girls around, he'll be like "hey, lets go talk to those girls over there", so i figure, cool, i dont have to worry about an opener or awkward silences. Unfortunately my friend is very talkative and im relatively anti-social. When we're talking to the girls I find myself brainstorming for something funny, intresting, or just anything to say, but usually coming up with nothing.

Does anyone else share this problem?

Do you just 'go with the flow` and comment here and there? or do you have pre-planned 'funny' stories and/or questions?
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Wingmen are always "friends" in my eyes. If they're stepping up to the plate, you've got to up your game. I recommend approaching groups of girls, instead of singles, and picking out one or two to carry on a conversation with, let your friend deal with the others.
 

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Sounds you don't feel comfortable in those kinds of situations. If you did, I bet you'd find that you'd be a much better conversationist. Read up on some inner game stuff in the DJ Bible (mind you, I'm pretty sure the link at the bottom of the page is temporarily down, but there's a thread in the DJD forum that you can view the Bible from).
 

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The wing isn't the issue really. It's just that you're not great at conversation yet. Work on that and then you'll find the wing will be an asset. You'll get a good multiway conversation going with the girls and they'll dig you. There's something about 2-3 girls being approached by two guys that just works. I guess because it seems like two buddies who were out on their own just ran into them. Just seems so natural. They just hang out for the night with the two cool guys they met and by the end good things for the future are shaping up.
 

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Wingman with better game: foe.
Wingman with less game: friend.
Wingman with equal game: the best.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Patrick124 said:
Wingman with better game: foe.
Wingman with less game: friend.
Wingman with equal game: the best.
True.

I had a clingy bastard follow me into a library, opened up to two chicks, last year, hb 7, hb 6, played good verbal, initiated kino, and stole hb 7's pen. I was taking it as a prop to initiate a number close, as she'd have to follow me to get the pen back, and I'd just ask for number. Well clingy **** is like, "That is mean." and goes and returns said item before she can make it to me. People who are aware of what you're trying to do, and not coniving guys are your teammates.
 

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Ah the good old fashioned C*ckBlock
 

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When a c*ck block comes rollin in, I usually close it and hit her up later. If I know her, I simply tell her I've got to go, tell her to come with me, or tell her good luck lol.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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