"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Will it matter to you if your wife had been with 3 to 5 guys before?

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Forgot to mention that 3-5 is their number of guys that mattered. That doesn't include the one night stands and gay friends they've screwed around with or the gay friend that isn't gay that doesn't really count. Add all of those in with the first numbers and it usually triples the overall figure.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I don't think it matters much as long as you're OK with it & they're faithful to you.

My wife falls into the 3-5 category, or so she says which is cool.

On the other end of the spectrum, I have a friend whose wife has been with over 300 men & even worked as an escort at one point. That's a bit much for me, but he's OK with her past & she's faithful to our knowledge. She's a very good mother to their two kids.
 

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Women generally only get married after they've been in "circulation" for a while, starting in their early to mid teens.

Married women don't seem to be particularly faithful. Married men seem to have trouble getting their wives to have sex with them.

Anyone still want to get married?
 

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vagrant said:
Yes or no? Please explain your reasons.

Is it a big deal or a small deal? I need someone to share different perspectives so I can start reprogramming my mind. It seems very hard to imagine that your wife had been with lots of different men. I think this is one aspect of me being an AFC that I need to handle. Please feel free to share your thoughts. :yes:
The better question is, "Will it matter to you if your wife had been with 30 to 50 guys before?"

I suggest you start working on handling that reality instead of living in a dream scenario where most women go through 3-5 by the time they are in college. So yes, 3-5 is relatively low, nowadays.

For the AFC or judgmental type who can't stand the thought that somebody else was there before, I suggest you look for a virgin, otherwise your insecurities might just get the best of you.
 

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Three to five is nothing! The average at the age of thirty is 7.5 sexual partners for American men and women.

Here is a better question: what would you say about a girl in her mid-twenties who you are dating who has slept with, say 23 guys, but she won't have sex with you? Pretty bad for your self-esteem, wouldn't you say? :)
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Veridin said:
Three to five is nothing! The average at the age of thirty is 7.5 sexual partners for American men and women.

Here is a better question: what would you say about a girl in her mid-twenties who you are dating who has slept with, say 23 guys, but she won't have sex with you? Pretty bad for your self-esteem, wouldn't you say? :)
Depends. Is she a recovering slut trying to atone for her ways, or does she see you as beta provider material and is trying to ration sex for provisions like fine meals, jewelry, etc?
 

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Women who've had many partners tend to know what they're doing in bed... they also tend to know what they like and can communicate it better than virgins or prudes.

If the woman is disease-free, then you only have things to gain from her experimentation... not to mention the ego-boost that she has been able to sleep with all of these other men and is choosing to sleep with you!

Get over it and you might even enjoy it!
 

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Women who've had many partners tend to know what they're doing in bed... they also tend to know what they like and can communicate it better than virgins or prudes.

If the woman is disease-free, then you only have things to gain from her experimentation... not to mention the ego-boost that she has been able to sleep with all of these other men and is choosing to sleep with you!

Get over it and you might even enjoy it!
 

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vagrant said:
Yes or no? Please explain your reasons.

Is it a big deal or a small deal? I need someone to share different perspectives so I can start reprogramming my mind. It seems very hard to imagine that your wife had been with lots of different men. I think this is one aspect of me being an AFC that I need to handle. Please feel free to share your thoughts. :yes:
By todays standards, 3 or even 4 is considered "pure" My girlfriend has been with 3 and i dont care, i gettin that azz though and tear it up and make sure shes on her knees praising my c0ck. i dont have time to worry about what the "slvt" did.
 

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K-X: I find that my life is much more satisfying when I try to make the women do kinky things that she's going to have to lie/keep quiet about if we ever break up. Screw the worrying about other men- let other men worry about me.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Deadly_Ripped said:
Women who've had many partners tend to know what they're doing in bed... they also tend to know what they like and can communicate it better than virgins or prudes.

If the woman is disease-free, then you only have things to gain from her experimentation... not to mention the ego-boost that she has been able to sleep with all of these other men and is choosing to sleep with you!

Get over it and you might even enjoy it!
True.

However many married men don't seem to get much action in the bedroom. Or they get the "bored wife" experience. The experienced women who used to be a freak might turn into a prude with her husband once she gets married. Seems to be a common scenario.
 
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