Why?

[The Duke]

Has anyone ever wondered why modern men are willing to go thru so much self improvement(personal skills, social skills, appearance, job, etc) to secure women?

When does it stop? Once your competitors are doing the same thing you no longer have an advantage.

As for women it seems like we expect less and less of them. They quit cooking and cleaning years ago. Their bodies aren't what they once were. Very few work out on a regular basis. They aren't expected to be virgins or even close to being virgin like. We accept them as the wh0res most of them are.

Or is it all simply part of the role reversal phenomena that appears to be in place where women are becoming more masculine and men are becoming more feminine?

 

[zekko]

Good observation. The males are expected to improve while the women fall into disrepair. Definitely a big part of it is women becoming more masculine. And guys are expected to look like fitness models now.

When does it stop? Once your competitors are doing the same thing you no longer have an advantage.

This is also true about game. Despite all the talk about betas, most game tactics are now mainstream.

 

[R.U.G.]

I just think they are listening to social media and trying to emulate what they think that would make them more attractive to women. TBH, all they really need is to stop giving a fvck, working on their purpose and be who they are meant to be.

 

[R.U.G.]

 

[marmel75]

Has anyone ever wondered why modern men are willing to go thru so much self improvement(personal skills, social skills, appearance, job, etc) to secure women?

When does it stop? Once your competitors are doing the same thing you no longer have an advantage.

As for women it seems like we expect less and less of them. They quit cooking and cleaning years ago. Their bodies aren't what they once were. Very few work out on a regular basis. They aren't expected to be virgins or even close to being virgin like. We accept them as the *****s most of them are.

Or is it all simply part of the role reversal phenomena that appears to be in place where women are becoming more masculine and men are becoming more feminine?

Why do you assume most guys are self-improving? Most guys are lazy. Most guys lack ambition. Most guys are happy to continue texting a woman who has turned them down for dates multiple times because they think its easier than simply finding interested women.

Never worry about your competition, you csnt control what they do or don't do. But you CAN control what YOU do. Do it to the best of your ability. Not because you want something out of it or expect something, but because thats how you roll.

 

[guru1000]

Has anyone ever wondered why modern men are willing to go thru so much self improvement(personal skills, social skills, appearance, job, etc) to secure women?

When does it stop? Once your competitors are doing the same thing you no longer have an advantage.

As for women it seems like we expect less and less of them. They quit cooking and cleaning years ago. Their bodies aren't what they once were. Very few work out on a regular basis. They aren't expected to be virgins or even close to being virgin like. We accept them as the *****s most of them are.

Or is it all simply part of the role reversal phenomena that appears to be in place where women are becoming more masculine and men are becoming more feminine?

Not sure about where you live Howie, but most 9s in metropolitan cities do a hell of a lot work on their looks, more so than any improvement advocated on this site. Matter of fact, most of their days are geared toward improving their appearance. They are in competition not only to get the best men, but they are also competing against their friends and other women in their vicinity: FB, Instagram, among many other sources.

Hence, why most hot women are the most narcissistic people you will ever meet. Their life is built upon physically improving and receiving the attention it brings.

 

[resilient]

Everyone appears to be in a race for looks these days.

It's weird.

Agree with what was said above.

People see competition stepping up their game on OLD with professional photos to appear near perfect w/o blemishes so they're stepping it up with improved angles, lighting, photoshopping out imperfections because that's what they're been force fed in reading magazines, movies, reality shows Netflix, pinterest and their nuclear social circles on IG, FB, etc.

Look at it this way... are you going to like and message the hottie with perfect photos highlighting her features or are you going to ignore/hide/block/next the ones that are overweight, ugly, horribly pixelated, or dated pictures that looks 5 years old?

If they stopped caring about the appearance as much and are content to sit at home with a glass of wine, binge Netflix and check their OLD messages they're not going to get far into a lasting and satisfying LTR with a valuable alpha male.

Looks helps pass the initial attraction test to land dates, yet, chemistry, shared values, shared goals/long-term vision will come into play of getting dates 2,3,4 and beyond a STR to a LTR.

Now, improving yourself as a man as a whole has larger life implications of feeling content with hobbies, career, social spheres, spirituality, etc. it's a win/win. If a girl wants to enter your world for a while, great. Our focus as we talk about here often is to betterment of self and not just to chase and get women.

They're the side benefit.

 

[IKO69]

They always have. The only difference is now aday's men have it ass backwards. Men of past generations wanted to become the man for bragging rights, now modern men only do it just to appease women. Bunch of ***** beggars.

As far as how women behave.....that's on us. We are the one's that have to get them to shape up. The aformentioned men are the reason why women are the way they are. Anytime a guy comes out and tells it how it is...more often than not he gets ganged up on by 5+ mangina's. These mangina's essentially tell the women it's okay to be how they are and to keep it up. Smart men don't mess with them anyway - smart men will demand the woman fit into their liking and if she can't then onto the next.

This is why things are how they are. Blame the men.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

They're the side benefit.

Exactly.

Like most other things, it comes down to personal intent of action.

>Give a compliment or a gift because you want to, not because you think you'll get laid.
>Buy a girl a drink because you want to, not to gain her favour.
>Improve yourself for your own general well-being, not solely because you think it will improve your chances with women.

To be honest, I couldn't give a fck about the intentions of other guys. As you and others have said, men who do things to gain the favour of others are simply the modern day equivalent to people-pleasing nice guys / betas of yore. Their thirst is still apparent to everyone especially women. I see it all the time working in the bar, throwing money (usually credit) around, most for the sake of attending to women; end of the day, you can't polish a turd. Self improvement is psychological as much as anything else.

 

[ohrein]

Has anyone ever wondered why modern men are willing to go thru so much self improvement(personal skills, social skills, appearance, job, etc) to secure women?

If you've truly internalized game, you realize you shouldn't improve for women but improve for yourself. Getting access to higher quality women is just a side-effect of following your purpose. You're loading the question and equating self-improvement to bowing to women. You should want a better life for yourself, not women. I don't actually think you can maintain self-improvement centered around getting access to women anyway, because it's not a guarantee. That motivation will fade once you've locked a woman down and you'll repeat the cycle. It's important to find your life purpose without women being a central motivator.

As for women it seems like we expect less and less of them.

Personally, I don't. As I've improved myself, I expect way more from women. Once you've experienced abundance, vagina becomes worthless. I would never date a woman who didn't have value outside of sex. Sex and attractiveness are just the baseline. The ticket to entry.

We accept them as the wh0res most of them are.

So don't accept them. If you're dissatisfied with the women in your life, you're at fault. You control who you allow in your life, you control what you'll tolerate and expect from women. Grow a pair and don't settle on your expectations, otherwise there's the door.

This is also true about game. Despite all the talk about betas, most game tactics are now mainstream.

I disagree with this. I meet very few men who are truly "alpha". You get the muscled up gym dudes on motorbikes and you have the sociopath businessmen and the young party bros. But in my experience, 99% of men are still betas who are playing the Disney game and failing. I think all men playing the game would improve society because it would force women to actually have some value again. Men playing the game at it's core is just about understanding their worth. If men stop throwing themselves at every woman with a set of t1ts, women will have to adapt their game to provide more value too.

Everyone appears to be in a race for looks these days.

It's weird.

It's not weird, it's evolution. Looks equate to genetic health. It's unlikely to ever change. It's not new, it's as old as humanity. Men need muscles to survive, women need to look young to produce healthy offspring. Society doesn't require either of those things anymore but our biology still demands it.

Now, improving yourself as a man as a whole has larger life implications of feeling content with hobbies, career, social spheres, spirituality, etc. it's a win/win. If a girl wants to enter your world for a while, great. Our focus as we talk about here often is to betterment of self and not just to chase and get women.

They're the side benefit.

Yes! This!

As you and others have said, men who do things to gain the favour of others are simply the modern day equivalent to people-pleasing nice guys / betas of yore. Their thirst is still apparent to everyone especially women. I see it all the time working in the bar, throwing money (usually credit) around, most for the sake of attending to women; end of the day, you can't polish a turd.

Exactly. There's a difference between self improvement with game versus financial success and a beta mindset. You won't succeed if your chase success to get access to women.

 

[Trump]

Has anyone ever wondered why modern men are willing to go thru so much self improvement(personal skills, social skills, appearance, job, etc) to secure women?

Men try their hardest to get money because the business world doesn’t care so much about looks, it cares about utility.

Younger attractive women care a lot more about looks than older women.

Older women care more about utility.

When does it stop? Once your competitors are doing the same thing you no longer have an advantage.

You can’t prevent your competitors from doing the same thing, anything, or even sabotaging you.

As for women it seems like we expect less and less of them. They quit cooking and cleaning years ago. Their bodies aren't what they once were. Very few work out on a regular basis. They aren't expected to be virgins or even close to being virgin like. We accept them as the wh0res most of them are.

Or is it all simply part of the role reversal phenomena that appears to be in place where women are becoming more masculine and men are becoming more feminine?

Pretty much.

Politicians and the powers that be have allowed it. To YOUNGER girls, men are disposable, worthless, and can be replaced at a drop of a dime.

It’s going to continue for a long time. We are powerless to stop it.

 

[btownbuck2012]

As far as I can tell it’s 2 major reasons:

1. Most guys haven’t had enough sex with enough women to realize it’s not that big of a deal

2. Plugged in thinking. Society hammers home the idea of love and marriage being a goal for men.

If a guy is 1 AND 2 he’s basically screwed, even if he’s just one of these he’s in big trouble.

 

[zekko]

This might be getting a little off topic, but:
It makes sense that men have to self improve and work at being attractive more so than women though, because men take their attraction from their whole beings. Men have to be attractive as people, as who they are in their entirety. Unless you're Chad, of course.

Women are attractive simply through the way they look. A lot of guys don't like to hear it, but girls are much prettier than guys, they are the gender with the beauty. So their SMV is immediately apparent right when you look at them. In a way, it's kind of unfortunate for them, but in another way it's an advantage.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Has anyone ever wondered why modern men are willing to go thru so much self improvement(personal skills, social skills, appearance, job, etc) to secure women?

Once upon a time, (tens of thousands of years ago) there were two types of men, with two types of genes.

Type one had genes that said, "only get laid if it's easy, otherwise, don't worry about it."

Type two had a gene that said, "getting laid is the most important thing. Get pvssy at all costs."

Type one died out after about two or three generations.

Type two is all that is left.