"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Why women are attracted to guys who are a "challenge"
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
backbreaker
Master Don Juan
I cannot believe you think that. Not only is it very fun and exciting, but it doesn't just make women want you, it makes them NEED and LUST after you. I'm speaking from experience.FutureSpartan said:The whole "Challenge game" is overrated and a waste of time.
tmpgstx
Master Don Juan
Girls do this same thing to me all the time. I know what they're up to though because it happens so often. I'm thinking most girls probably know this little game of disdain.However if you were to approach the group be friendly with them all but turn your attention towards the other chicks more and show some disinterest in the hb10 her mind will go crazy and she will be attracted to you
In order to seduce the HB10, you have to play the game better than she does. By doing this, she knows you get gamed alot and know how girls operate. You 'get it' so to speak.
Alphamale1821
Senior Don Juan
Hell yeah that is so true man, i love it how girls feel like they have to be around me even when i'm just casually talking to some other girl. Then when i do give them some attention i love how receptive they are to it and when they least expect it i'm either showing no intrest in them or talking to someone else. This is just natural for me since whenever i get a girl intrested and i know she is intrested i start to pull away and make her lust for me. I plant the seed and give it time to blossom.donjuan87 said:I cannot believe you think that. Not only is it very fun and exciting, but it doesn't just make women want you, it makes them NEED and LUST after you. I'm speaking from experience.
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
tmpgstx
Master Don Juan
I've had HB10s literally get physical in trying to get my attention. I just blow it off and they change tactics and go after other guys.
I have to admit, that does get me a bit jealous, but always keep my DJ composure. I'm the prize. You got to bring it to the champ lol.
Thats' true, women get hit on quite often especially by guys looking for easy *****. Women do go through some kind of trance where they auto ****-block a guy's attempts when they feel he isnt being sincere, the only exception is if she's uber horny.Snow Plowman said:An then there is a guy who is different. He doesn't even look at her. He just talks to her as a person and he isn't even trying to get in with her. He is trying to push her away. Her mind is thinking "WTF, a guy is pushing me away!? This is impossible every guy wants me."
It's also breaking rapport an causes sexual tension. Add that to a high value guy and when he uses the CLAW. Pretty deadly if you ask me.
But back to what you were saying about digging the guy that ignores her, it only really applies to a guy who she sees value in. Perhaps he's good looking, an excellent dresser, charismatic, has personality, or just as simple as the law of scarcity that she sees other women wanting to be in his presence increasing his overall value..
And all this goes back to being well-rounded - you're always better off than the guy who isnt. Simply put women are super analytical creatures, they know a good thing when they see one.
tmpgstx
Master Don Juan
Most do, but then they date how they *feel*. If she feels *slutty*, she won't be dating the successful business man unless she's a gold digger or getting paid. If she feels like a jizz bucket, she'll date the wild guys a week at a time here and there.And all this goes back to being well-rounded - you're always better off than the guy who isnt. Simply put women are super analytical creatures, they know a good thing when they see one.
If she's a career woman, her standards are higher and gearing for the more educated male with goals. You won't find this type of girl dating a wild guy (not usually). She may 'slip' once and awhile and get nailed by a dude she wouldn't take home to mom, but all in the moment.
Guys want girls who are gorgeous to look at, we are like Tom Cats, we don't want a challenge, we want a fvck, get it as quickly as we can and move on to another gorgeous girl.Badmannaz said:it's the same reason guys want girls who are challenging!
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Does she call up the elderly and swindle them of their life savings too?backbreaker said:i take that back.. we actually would talk. she would find me and ask me what did I want to drink, and have guys buy her drinks and find me and give them to me. I would go out and sometimes not have to buy anything.
No I don't. I want to be doted upon by a quality female. When a girl is challenging and isn't actively seeking me out then i'm just annoyed and stop bothering. I just feel it's beneath me to chase her around. I have sh1t to do.Badmannaz said:it's the same reason guys want girls who are challenging!
backbreaker
Master Don Juan
At the time if I asked her to she probably would. However, i have money, I didn't NEED her to do that, I guess it was her way of showing me she was committed to me.. and I'm not going to argue with free drinks money or not.Does she call up the elderly and swindle them of their life savings too?
FutureSpartan said:Don't be a pushover, but remember you're the MAN. You need to be aggressive, confident, and go after the girls you want. Trust me if the girl is interested in you, you don't need to be a challenge. Just get a good rapport going and then isolate.
yes, i agree. it all really boils down to attraction. if she dont like you then you could be as challenging as fort knox and still have her ignore you
but being a challenge is important. being a challenge just means not being a pushover. simple as that. it doesnt have to be the extreme stuff, like acting like you hate her and u wish she would go to hell. just dont be a pushover. be aggresive and go after the girls you want, but let them work too.
also true2_intense2 said:its just more fun and it keeps things interesting, plain and simple. Its all about the chase..so when you finally get the guy there is sense of accomplishment (i.e ) you were able to overcome the challenge.
think of it this way
you get a nice new car that u didnt have to work for, but some guy just gave to you. and if it breaks you could easily get another no problem.
would u appreciate that?
or wat if you've been working hard all your life for the car that you wanted. then one day you got enough to go buy i right off the lot. you wont let anything happen to it because you worked to hard to get it.
i think you would appreciate that alot more.