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Why Men Benefit from Marriage More Than Women

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Men are happier and healthier than women in marriage (according to research)


Some pretty convincing evidence validates the claim that men draw the long end of the stick in marriage compared to women.

The research shows that marriage is more beneficial to men in terms of health, emotional support, household labor, less stress, financial stability, and society’s expectations.

Marriage seems to come with more perks for men than women. This includes men even living longer and dealing with fewer health issues because their wives are constantly nudging them toward healthier habits.

But for women, it’s different. They already tend to take better care of themselves, married or not, so they’re not seeing the same health boost from marriage.

Then there’s the emotional side. Men mostly rely on their wives for emotional support rather than other men or family members. But, women usually already have more social connections outside of marriage. So, they don’t see any extra benefit there. Many women may not even get any emotional support from their husbands.

And let’s talk about stress. In many marriages, women handle most (if not all) of the housework and childcare, even if they work full-time. It’s like marriage just adds more to their plate.

What about financially? Married men tend to earn more, while women who step away from work to raise children and take care of the family take hits to their income and career progress.

So, all things considered…maybe marriage isn’t quite the same winning ticket for women as it is for men. And after looking through the research, I have to say that a lot of it makes sense.

But what kind of marriage is this anyway?

I do have to admit though that it probably depends on what type of marriage you’re in. I think the idea of men getting more out of marriage than women would mostly apply to truly traditional marriages, in my opinion.

By traditional marriage, I mean those where a man and a woman each have a “place” in the family structure. You know what I’m talking about— the “old fashioned” type of marriage from the “old days” (as I’ve heard it referred to recently).

A woman’s “place” was not to be questioned

Back in the day, it was like women were just expected to be everything for a man — cook, maid, sex object, nurse, therapist, personal assistant, and pretty much a doormat.

In those old-school marriages, gender roles were super strict, and women were often told to put their dreams on hold for the family. They were trained to serve, always putting their husbands’ needs first while trying to keep up with housework, raising the kids, and holding it all together emotionally and hardly getting anything in return.

Women would often wear a smile in public while they may have felt like dying on the inside. They often pretended everything was perfect, even when it wasn’t. No matter how much was weighing on them, society expected them to sweep any mess under the rug, keep up appearances, and keep home struggles a secret.

My mom swept a lot of crap under the rug. My dad was one of those lazy husbands. He seldom cooked a meal for the family or did any housework. He was very needy emotionally and he put my mom through a lot of pain.

Growing up, I remember so much tension in our household because of him. He was an alcoholic, a heavy smoker, and a cheater who kept losing his job. He had other women throughout their 35-year marriage.

Yes. They were married for 35 years until he died. And my mom did it all.

He even admitted out loud that he didn’t deserve her. She was a traditional wife for sure and my dad got more benefits from the marriage than she ever did.

That’s just one example, but I recall that’s pretty much the only type of marriage I ever saw. My friend’s dads were living their best lives benefitting off their wives too. I saw it in my aunt’s and uncle’s marriages. It’s what we saw on TV. It’s what I grew up thinking marriage was all about. My marriage was like that. My first husband was lazy and I carried all the weight and my second one was abusive, so the same **** but on steroids.

Marriages in today’s times

Times have changed and paradigm shifts are happening when it comes to marriage. People seem more open now. I’m sure some people prefer traditional marriages but I’m seeing that stereotype much less.

We can look around and see more men pushing baby strollers or doing the grocery shopping. On social media, we see men posting how they’re cooking for the family and doing the housework. We even see more TV shows where men are supportive and nurturing in marriage.

I’m pleased to see my nieces with good husbands who share the load. And, while my daughter isn’t married yet, she is determined not to settle for anything less in a marriage than what she will bring to it.

And what about gender roles? Society has learned to accept that couples are embracing diverse gender identities, not just the usual male and female labels.

I’ve concluded that whether one person gets the most out of the marriage than the other depends on what someone will or will not allow. Expectations should be dealt with before people get married. It’s about mutual respect and not allowing society or anybody else’s opinions to dictate what goes on in the marriage.

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Thoughts?
 

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@BadBoy89 "Thoughts?"

Men USED to be happier than women in general, when(in the not too distant past), the mindset Ol' Piney here
(0:56-end) imparts unto his offspring was also the one most widely embraced by the male population overall

Social media's omnipresence, from the 10s unto today, has by contrast cursed us with a mileu in which venting endlessly over all the sh-t were unhappy over is now mistaken for "addressing your issues"... Subsequently, we're ALL(women and men alike) more miserable today than perhaps at anytime in human history, despite being materially richer than every era prior
 

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Yeah, staying home and raising children is like the greatest gift career ever.

so now you see how easy it is to manipulate women

but otherwise, women are many many times tougher than men in every aspect, but certain aspects of women can be hacked. It’s kind of common knowledge.

like how women were not allowed to vote. That was no giant error. It was strong common sense for preserving humanity, because, women usually vote for the enemy.

but now we’ve got women voting (sigh)
 

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Oh Jesus. Men who think women shouldn't vote (example above) simply demonstrate a level of idiocracy and inability to lead others that seeks to control others rather than influence or lead. Only a weak man would worry about that, but there are many weak men who are too inept to lead but instead yearn to control. I digress.

As to the topic at hand, yes it is well known that marriage benefits men more than women. There are numerous studies in the literature that demonstrate this, iincluding long running prospective studies.

Married men report greater happiness/contentment, objectively live longer, and live healthier when married. And although women do not reap the same benefits....it is the woman who typically outlives her husband, and often dies alone after she has comforted and cared for her husband until his death.

I do believe that "trad-con" family structure is the most sensible IF both spouses subscribe to this framework. Plenty of couples negotiate something different than trad-con, and do just fine.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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The problem as I've stated in another thread is that Marriage is simply broken based on modern interpretation of what it should stand for.

It is a business contract. Period. That's it.

That's what it stood for and was designed for from the beginning of marriage. Once we started mixing "Love" into it, the two concepts simply do not go together AT ALL.

For instance, it was commonplace and virtually expected since most marriages were business deals between families for the purpose of producing legal heirs and not because they actually loved each other, that both sides would have people who filled that role for them.

Today, that's called "cheating". Back then that was a normal occurrence.

You can't keep the institution the same and not change it if you want to try and change all the rules of the game. It just doesn't work, nor does it even make any sense.

If marriage is now based on "love" then the entire business side of it needs to be overhauled to match. But of course, they don't want to do that.
 
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The problem as I've stated in another thread is that Marriage is simply broken based on modern interpretation of what it should stand for.

It is a business contract. Period. That's it.

That's what it stood for and was designed for from the beginning of marriage. Once we started mixing "Love" into it, the two concepts simply do not go together AT ALL.

For instance, it was commonplace and virtually expected since most marriages were business deals between families for the purpose of producing legal heirs and not because they actually loved each other, that both sides would have people who filled that role for them.

Today, that's called "cheating". Back then that was a normal occurrence.

You can't keep the institution the same and not change it if you want to try and change all the rules of the game. It just doesn't work, not does it even make any sense.

If marriage is now based on "love" then the entire business side of it needs to be overhauled to match. But of course, they don't want to do that.
who are they ??? decent points.. but who is the boogeyman in the story ?
 

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who are they ??? decent points.. but who is the boogeyman in the story ?
There is no single "Boogeyman", it's simply the hypocrisy to change what something means without understanding that fundamentally means you must change how it works.

Not the only place these things happen, humans are not always great with reasoning and logic overall.
 

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Quote the article: "Then there’s the emotional side. Men mostly rely on their wives for emotional support rather than other men or family members"

Thus, marriage STOPS being "good" for men, when the missus takes up with his own brother, and over half his own family takes her side/assert: "She wouldn'tve been FORCED to leave, had you not been so neglectful of her"

The research in question overlooks a few key points:

-From the late 1960s-today, marriage has largely become a "bougie" phenomena... Hitched people become rarer than panties on Sabrina Carpenter, the further down the socioeconomic ladder one travels

-The more financially solid folks are, the healthier they generally are on all fronts

-Therefore, men who get married were ALREADY doing well beforehand, and likely would've continued to do so, married or not


@intricate design "like how women were not allowed to vote. That was no giant error"

Most PEOPLE weren't allowed to vote, prior to The 20th Century. Today, just how wise a decision universal suffrage was is extremely questionable.... Devout fans of Love Island, who get all their "education" from 24hr cable news channels, are being allowed to choose our leaders and shape the fate of every nation in The Post-Industrial World
 
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Quote the article: "Then there’s the emotional side. Men mostly rely on their wives for emotional support rather than other men or family members"

Thus, marriage STOPS being "good" for men, when the missus takes up with his own brother, and over half his own family takes her side/assert: "She wouldn'tve been FORCED to leave, had you not been so neglectful of her"

The research in question overlooks a few key points:

-From the late 1960s-today, marriage has largely become a "bougie" phenomena... Hitched people become rarer than panties on Sabrina Carpenter, the further down the socioeconomic ladder one travels

-The more financially solid folks are, the healthier they generally are on all fronts

-Therefore, men who get married were ALREADY doing well beforehand, and likely would've continued to do so, married or not


@intricate design "like how women were not allowed to vote. That was no giant error"

Most PEOPLE weren't allowed to vote, prior to The 20th Century. Today, just how wise a decision universal suffrage was is extremely questionable.... Devout fans of Love Island, who get all their "education" from 24hr cable news channels, are being allowed to choose our leaders and shape the fate of every nation in The Post-Industrial World
Most people weren't allowed to read or write until very recently either...should we just go all the way back to the Dark Ages?

Holy fvck some of you need to get a clue.
 

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I agree that marriage is a business contract. And I agree that its origins arose from families essentially arranging these partnerships. And I further agree that marriage as an institution does not line up well with the idea of romantic love. However I have seen many MANY successful and loving marriages between man and woman that adroitly combine the two concepts.

You see, a successful marriage requires solid character. There will always be temptation around, both for the man, and the woman. People with character choose to honor the marriage. And look, there is an appeal to "strange", and there is an appeal to someone new who is mysterious and unknown. My sister used to always say "I'm married, not blind....." meaning she still could observe the attractiveness of others, but her commitment to her marriage meant that she would never act on those fleeting observations.

It's kind of like having a car you enjoy. There are other cars out there that catch your eye. You don't go trade your car in every time you see something else interesting. A very simplified metaphor, obviously, but it makes a sufficient illustration.

My father (a most esteemed attorney who practiced family law for 20+ years along the way) used to always say: "Marriage is a partnership in a literal sense. And like a partnership, an agreement needs to be reached in the beginning, when everyone is getting along, about how to unwind and dissolve the partnership, should it come to that at some point."
 

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Men are happier and healthier than women in marriage (according to research)

Survivorship bias. Those men who are in marriages... those couples who are in marriages that are happy, stay together... those arent leave.

Men are healthier in marriages? well, its a known fact when one of the couples is in bad health, the marriage usually ends. So yeah, makes sense that marriages have more healthy men; more likely if these men were unhealthy, the women leaves..


 

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I agree that marriage is a business contract. And I agree that its origins arose from families essentially arranging these partnerships. And I further agree that marriage as an institution does not line up well with the idea of romantic love. However I have seen many MANY successful and loving marriages between man and woman that adroitly combine the two concepts.

You see, a successful marriage requires solid character. There will always be temptation around, both for the man, and the woman. People with character choose to honor the marriage. And look, there is an appeal to "strange", and there is an appeal to someone new who is mysterious and unknown. My sister used to always say "I'm married, not blind....." meaning she still could observe the attractiveness of others, but her commitment to her marriage meant that she would never act on those fleeting observations.

It's kind of like having a car you enjoy. There are other cars out there that catch your eye. You don't go trade your car in every time you see something else interesting. A very simplified metaphor, obviously, but it makes a sufficient illustration.

My father (a most esteemed attorney who practiced family law for 20+ years along the way) used to always say: "Marriage is a partnership in a literal sense. And like a partnership, an agreement needs to be reached in the beginning, when everyone is getting along, about how to unwind and dissolve the partnership, should it come to that at some point."
The original "busines" contract:

bride: "I take thee, to my wedded husband... to love, cherish, and to obey, till death us depart."

groom: "I take thee to be my wedded Wife, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, till death us do part, according to God's holy ordinance; and thereto I plight thee my troth."

This is the contract men and women for generations aspired to uphold... don't like it? dont get married. Have a "partnership" instead.
 

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And I further agree that marriage as an institution does not line up well with the idea of romantic love.
The word "love" has always been part of standard marital vows since... forever. It used to be "love, honor, obey" however in recent times the word "obey" has been replaced with "cherish" or some variation thereof.

I do understand the business contract aspect of it, but Love has always been a major component and still is today.

However I have seen many MANY successful and loving marriages between man and woman that adroitly combine the two concepts.
100% agree BE. It's about balance but certainly love (romantic love) is still a large component to what makes a happy and successful long lasting marriage in my view. .
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Survivorship bias. Those men who are in marriages... those couples who are in marriages that are happy, stay together... those arent leave.

Men are healthier in marriages? well, its a known fact when one of the couples is in bad health, the marriage usually ends. So yeah, makes sense that marriages have more healthy men; more likely if these men were unhealthy, the women leaves..



ps. if marriages are only helpful for men, why is it that ever since people are getting married less; more women then ever are on medications? but men arent? Also, why are there so many videos of women complaining "where are all the good men"? Men... especially older men seem to be fine just doing their own thing and not marrying.. just anecdotal though.
 

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I do understand the business contract aspect of it, but Love has always been a major component and still is today.
People (and there have been a lot) that have had arranged marriages would tend to disagree. Arranged marriages are fairly common throughout history... and as a whole, the couple report more happiness and tend to stick together more than those that arent arranged iirc.

also, I think with the high rate of divorce in the west, I would think marriages not being about "love" but lust... once lust goes away, the papers gets served :)
 

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@Slowhandluke I don't disagree but I wasn't referring to arranged marriages. Where I'm from (currently SoCal) I don't see many arranged marriages although I'm sure they exist.

also, I think with the high rate of divorce in the west, I would think marriages not being about "love" but lust...
I think love begins with lust (true for me and those I associate with) but then evolves into something deeper, more meaningful and longer lasting. Ideally.

That said I do contend that with such a high rate of divorce (here in SoCal it's the highest in the U.S.) the institution itself is collapsing due to a combination of factors... too many to get into now.
 

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The word "love" has always been part of standard marital vows since... forever. It used to be "love, honor, obey" however in recent times the word "obey" has been replaced with "cherish" or some variation thereof.

I do understand the business contract aspect of it, but Love has always been a major component and still is today.



100% agree BE. It's about balance but certainly love (romantic love) is still a large component to what makes a happy and successful long lasting marriage in my view. .
Saying words don't make them true.

If they did, most relationships would have zero problems because they could trust what's being said is true.

Furthermore, the context of what "love" meant at the time it was added in 1549 in The Book of Common Prayer, wasn't the same as it is today. It was typically seen as a promise of duty and action rather than a vow of emotion.
 
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