She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.
You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.
The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
It means she likes controlling the relationship...he likely has to beg for sex, and she probably runs the household and he says "Yes dear" 20 times a day while looking at the ground. And the more this happens the less respect you have for him as a man until one day you have none left at all, if that point hasn't already been reached.He sounds like a desperate faggot.
If you were in your early 20's when this happened you would of rejected this loser. And the fact that you married a man with no dignity says a lot about you too.
when he says biologically it's the same as saying "in the wild"Bastard, basket case kids raised by single moms is natural? I don't buy it. Ancient texts since the dawn of civilization describe the nuclear family, the norm in one respect or the other for 99% of mankind historically no matter the religion.
He sounds like a desperate faggot.
If you were in your early 20's when this happened you would of rejected this loser. And the fact that you married a man with no dignity says a lot about you too.
I'm just not the type to shyt on these types of guys anymore though. I am realizing that when I did that in the Past I was wrong.It means she likes controlling the relationship...he likely has to beg for sex, and she probably runs the household and he says "Yes dear" 20 times a day while looking at the ground. And the more this happens the less respect you have for him as a man until one day you have none left at all, if that point hasn't already been reached.
I know a few guys in relationships like this and I laugh everytime I hear about them crying because they never get laid anymore...I'm like "Why are you still with her then??" And they respond "Because I love her..." LMAO
I think that a main theme of manosphere is that a man isn't really happy being a doormat, rather he's coming to terms with his sad state of affairs through rationalizations. I'm speaking generally about betas who give off some sense of contentedness whilst having a wife who wears the pants in a relationship.Question: If they are HAPPY, who are you guys to tell them they are fag.gots and need to become something else just so it aligns with your personal views of the world?
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
If a man's "goal" is to be someone elses b!tch.. that is LITERALLY the definition of a faggot.I'm just not the type to shyt on these types of guys anymore though. I am realizing that when I did that in the Past I was wrong.
The fact is, everybody isn't going to be, isn't cut out to be, and/or doesn't WANT to be our version of "alpha" or "Don Juan". The reality is that some guys are actually HAPPY in the role they are in, even if their happiness is actually a form of slavery or oppression, with the woman controlling his damn near every move.
Question: If they are HAPPY, who are you guys to tell them they are fag.gots and need to become something else just so it aligns with your personal views of the world?
I said that the Manosphere should be like the Fitness Community, it should be a mass of information that guys can come to use to tailor their individual lifestyles/goals.
In the Fitness Community, some want to be lean/toned, some want to be bulky/big, some want to be on steroids, some want to bodybuild, some want to go to WWE, some want to just lose a couple pounds, some want to just stay healthy, some want to just increase their heart rate.......WHO AM I to tell someone what their PERSONAL fitness goals should be just because it doesn't align with what MY PERSONAL fitness goals are?
Poon King's goal is to spin plates until he gets bored....fine. And Poon King is still pound for pound, the best damn poster on Sosuave today. But just because a guy's goal is different, does not mean he's a fag.got lmao!
i think that actually is what it's like, which is why most of us have varied methods of getting to the goal, getting laid. it just so happens that most of us are focused on getting laid as much as possible by as many women as possible so that may come off as people being against monogomy.I said that the Manosphere should be like the Fitness Community, it should be a mass of information that guys can come to use to tailor their individual lifestyles/goals.
LOLIf a man's "goal" is to be someone elses b!tch.. that is LITERALLY the definition of a faggot.
... I am also "free" to call those men faggots.
Hmmm... an Alpha Aristocracy.If a man's "goal" is to be someone elses b!tch.. that is LITERALLY the definition of a faggot.
I've said before that men can do whatever they want. Society needs betas. But just like men are "free" to be submissive slaves to women.. I am also "free" to call those men faggots.
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Well, how about you go impregnate as many women as you can and see how that works out for you? After all, that is "incontrovertibly our biological imperative".What is a man's sexual strategy? To spread his seed by fvcking as women beautiful women as possible. That is incontrovertibly our biological imperative. That's what we are built to do.
It's not you, dude. People here want to stick you into a stereotypical little box of what they think a man is, and if you don't fit into it, then they will call you beta, AFC, a woman, a white knight, faggot, etc.@BeTheChangeThe hate is real on here. It seems I've been inactive for too long
I am for freedom. I think men should do whatever they think best for them at any given time. I am not insisting that all men should jump into LTRs. I have no problem if you, or anyone else, want to spin plates for the rest of your life. And I will not call you names for doing so.How hypocritical. Your entire first post in this thread was one massive framing![]()
You miss the point: If our biological imperative is to spread our seed among many women, then wrapping our penis in a condom to prevent the transmission of that seed defeats the purpose. So unless you are banging all these women with the intent to impregnate them, then there is nothing "natural" about it. Therefore, applying what is supposedly natural or unnatural to our modern lives really doesn't hold water.You are completely ignoring birth control. And this conversation is becoming daft.
"Haters gon' hate". Solid argument...Save the macho BS for somewhere else. No one buys it.@BeTheChange Not everyone takes years to figure it out. I am a natural at heart but had life experiences that made me lose my confidence at age 15. Once I signed up here and lost my virginity the flood gates opened. Who are you to judge me? You don't think three years is enough time to have sex with 30 different women? You must be doing something wrong dude.
@PairPlusRoyalFlush So you're saying an emotional connection cannot be made in a week? Some girls you have real natural jazz with. But after a while seeing the same girl gets old and you want more variety. I'm not looking to get into an LTR no matter how great a girl is. Exclusivity, yes. If I do actually like her as a person as well, that goes a long way for me.
The hate is real on here. It seems I've been inactive for too long
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
He died after 27 yrs of marriage so that is the reason for past tense. Died of cancer and I was there thru the hell of the cancer. It is the worse thing to go thru.You merely reinforce the point.
Men sacrifice their sexual strategy for security.
Security isn't so secure... the fact that he was the one chasing you down for marriage is absurd, and an indication of low-value on his part.
Your using of past-tense to talk about him wasn't lost on me, either![]()
... which is why they learn to control it.. Does anybody care to venture the reason "Nature" gives such a tortuous biological imperative knowing most men will not be able to act on it?
Sorry but I beg to differ. I can have an emotional connection instantly in that we might share the same interests or viewpoints. It happens and I know it from the start when I meet someone.
And that's the main point I'm making. We keep promoting that everybody be the Manosphere cartoon definition of "alpha", but most guys ARE and WILL BE "beta", you know why? Being red pill/alpha is not something many guys have an option to be.I've said before that men can do whatever they want. Society needs betas.
What is a man's sexual strategy? To spread his seed by fvcking as women beautiful women as possible. That is incontrovertibly our biological imperative. That's what we are built to do.
Dude how in the hell are you going to make a biological argument on one end, but use a non-biological tool to help support the biological argument? Do you think any form of birth control is natural? It's not. So that means that we as humans have developed tools, procedures, and other strategies to operate in ways that are UN-NATURAL, but more positively RATIONAL to our current situation.You are completely ignoring birth control.
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.