Why incels are a 'real and present threat'...

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How do these steps CAUSE getting more women? They may HELP getting more women, but they don’t CAUSE it.
To even get to what causes more women you must get rid of the what causes you to not get women. You can't tell an incel what will cause him to get women without first addressing the bigger problem, that's what has caused him to fail.

I'm addressing the problem that will prevent any form of progress in an incel. Step 4 is where the incel will learn what CAUSES more women, steps 1-3 is about removing the what CAUSES him NOT TO get women. Step 5 is a reminder not to fall back.

If you want to know what CAUSES more women there's a wealth of better threads on this forum. I'm tired of repeating the same over and over again.
 

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I can’t believe anyone actually buys the idea that @Trump has any money or is rich.

In regards to incels, many of them aren’t ugly, bald, short men. A lot of them look normal, which proves something has gone wrong upstairs.

We humans have become conditioned to value good things that are hard to come by. If gold was widely available its value would drop dramatically. Food in reality, is much much more valuable than gold, but in the first world it’s easy to get food so its value drops.

The same is true with sexual partners. If a woman is a slut, (to me at least) she drops in value because she is widely available to other men...and believe me, most men have pathetic game, so if she has fvcked lots of men, she has no self worth.

And with men it’s the opposite, women value men who are at least capable of having many sex partners. Because women attract men passively, whilst men attract women actively. If he is capable of having many sex partners it’s because women (particularly physcially attractive women who get offers from men daily) choose him, men like him must be sparse and therefore he must be valuable.

Women (and most men) can tell if a man is valuable or not, it’s the men that don’t need approval from other people.

This is why it’s important to screen women, rather than have them screen you. Also to qualify them, to reject them, to not see or talk to them often, to make fun of them and to basically steal their lines, “I want to take things slow”, “I really want to go out with you, but I have girlfriend” (even though you approached them), ”I don’t have sex on the first date” (even though you do), etc. When you do this, you’re subtly telling them that you are valuable.

Incels behave like victims, victims are passive and need approval, because victims are shaped by what happens to them rather than what they do for themselves. They want free handouts and aren’t willing to take action.

And if Incels do take action, they do it in a very passive and feminine way. Waiting for women’s approval and for women to make the moves.

What’s interesting about women (especially attractive women) is that they are highly feminine. And the characteristics with highly feminine women is that they are highly receptive (google “feminine receptive energy”).

What so interesting about being receptive? If you look in the dictionary you get this:

1. Willing or inclined to receive suggestions, offers, etc

2. Willing to consider or accept new suggestions and ideas

3. Having the quality of recieving, taking in (the vagina anyone?)

4. Able to receive signals or stimuli. (This is why most women can orgasm multiple times and we can’t).

The key one being they are more “willing to consider or accept new suggestions and ideas”.

For us politically incorrect, this means "easy to manipulate".

This means if you are confident enough, have congruency, don’t wait for her approval and take action, you can make her do what you want. Which is why I always say, when you flirt with a woman behave as if she’s already attracted to you and she will be.
 
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A quote from @Spaz

You offer her your version of love where she can find redemption, protection and femininity.

She will only find feminine and the rest with a masculine man.
 

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I disagree on the "men get women actively", I know plenty of guys (I've been one myself many years ago) that have girls make the first step and basically make it impossible to fail for them.

I agree that is the norm for most men but I disagree about being it the general rule.

I also would like to point out that incels are more widespread in the same countries where many factors exist, screwed up demographics, feminism, obession for social networks and strong welfare that benefits women.

The same guy that would be a in incel in london wouldnt be one in minsk even tough the guy clearly has problems overall.

Incels are not a cause, they are a byproduct of bad genetics, bad education, bad habits and a bad cultural setting...we can say that poor people is poor cause of society and then saying that incels are so only because of their exclusive mistakes, leftits instead have no problem to blame either the society on the individual according to the "guilt".
 
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Could you elaborate more on exposure? If you are dealing with a hot cashier then isnt it the same issues? What about ultra thirsty dudes where it does not matter as long as it is a woman then the same feelings are generated unless they are repulsively ugly and smelly or look like they are witches?
The point is to eliminate their beauty from the equation and just communicate with them no differently that you would with anyone else. You completely remove the goal of trying to attract them at all. Start off with removing the goal of getting their number, the date, etc. Seek nothing at all but a very brief and friendly conversation in passing, even if it’s just a “hey how are you” and nothing else. Let it end naturally at anytime. Seek nothing.

Continuously exposing yourself to attractive women in this manner does 2 things in particular.

1. It shows you are simply being sociable with no endgame in mind.

2. It shows you are not shaken or intimidated by merely a pretty face.

These two impressions will often guide a woman’s reaction to you. If a woman senses both of these things from you, she will more likely respond positively, friendly, etc.

That’s a feeling a man must strive to get used to. It will go a long way to ease those female specific anxieties. And as I said earlier, once a man can achieve that frame, he can then begin to experiment with injecting a little game into the same comfortable process.
 

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The point is to eliminate their beauty from the equation and just communicate with them no differently that you would with anyone else. You completely remove the goal of trying to attract them at all. Start off with removing the goal of getting their number, the date, etc. Seek nothing at all but a very brief and friendly conversation in passing, even if it’s just a “hey how are you” and nothing else. Let it end naturally at anytime. Seek nothing.

Continuously exposing yourself to attractive women in this manner does 2 things in particular.

1. It shows you are simply being sociable with no endgame in mind.

2. It shows you are not shaken or intimidated by merely a pretty face.

These two impressions will often guide a woman’s reaction to you. If a woman senses both of these things from you, she will more likely respond positively, friendly, etc.

That’s a feeling a man must strive to get used to. It will go a long way to ease those female specific anxieties. And as I said earlier, once a man can achieve that frame, he can then begin to experiment with injecting a little game into the same comfortable process.
Agree completely. A FIRST step is becoming very chill or unaffected around attractive women*.

But it’s definitely not easy. An IDGAF attitude is not even enough IME. I still get nervous even around women that I honestly want nothing from. But I’ll keep working at it.

*I mean being really comfortable, even if it results in friendzone. Actually being attractive to attractive women is an entirely different discussion.
 
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I disagree on the "men get women actively", I know plenty of guys (I've been one myself many years ago) that have girls make the first step and basically make it impossible to fail for them.

I agree that is the norm for most men but I disagree about being it the general rule.

I also would like to point out that incels are more widespread in the same countries where many factors exist, screwed up demographics, feminism, obession for social networks and strong welfare that benefits women.

The same guy that would be a in incel in london wouldnt be one in minsk even tough the guy clearly has problems overall.

Incels are not a cause, they are a byproduct of bad genetics, bad education, bad habits and a bad cultural setting...we can say that poor people is poor cause of society and then saying that incels are so only because of their exclusive mistakes, leftits instead have no problem to blame either the society on the individual according to the "guilt".
Agreed. I would also add overprotective or overly strict (or uninvolved) parents as a cause. Some boys don’t even get a chance to properly socialize with girls. Then they reach 20 or even 30+ and still have no clue how to even interact with females. And if he doesn’t have the looks to compensate for his awkwardness, then he’s in a very unfortunate situation.
 

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Those women knew you were trying to buy over their affections and it's what finally repulsed them and yet it didn't dawn upon you that they'd decided to take you for a ride since you thought you could do the same with their feelings.

In the end they made you a tool and you got heart broken thinking that splashing money around is a substitute to being an attractive man.

Do you wish to learn how to get women or is it your desire to just blog and make memoirs of a monied man who failed with women ?

If you insist on writing ur memoirs here then I'll promptly dismiss you as this defeats my purpose on being in this forum.
OK fair enough, I won’t write memoirs.
 

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You can't tell an incel what will cause him to get women without first addressing the bigger problem, that's what has caused him to fail.
You can’t tell anyone what will cause more women. I don’t know, maybe my English is bad.

I'm addressing the problem that will prevent any form of progress in an incel.
Yes. This is my point. Your and Spaz’s steps and advice help with the progress. They don’t lead to it. It’s not a cause and effect issue.

Step 4 is where the incel will learn what CAUSES more women, steps 1-3 is about removing the what CAUSES him NOT TO get women. Step 5 is a reminder not to fall back.
My whole issue is with the word “cause.” If you say it “help with the progress” or “it may lead” or “improve chances.” I 100% agree.
 
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Seems like u r asking for an advice that's 100% foolproof to get women into ur bed and hopelessly in love with you.

Let me assure you that anyone who claims to be able to provide one is a liar.

I can provide you with a fishing rod and teach you how to fish but it is still you that's going to fish and it's you that needs to acquire the needed skills through trial and error.
 
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You can’t tell anyone what will cause more women. I don’t know, maybe my English is bad.



Yes. This is my point. Your and Spaz’s steps and advice help with the progress. They don’t lead to it. It’s not a cause and effect issue.



My whole issue is with the word “cause.” If you say it “help with the progress” or “it will lead” or “improve chances.” I 100% agree.
The fvck are you talking about?! You started using the word "cause" on me, I didn't use that word before you used it when arguing against me.

You're arguing semantics rather than trying to discuss the point. But if saying "help with the progress", "lead to progress" or "improve chances" will help me get the fvcking point across then sure, call it whatever, I don't care. It's autisitic sh!t like this that will not help with the progress.

So we agree then, k thx bye.
 

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But it’s definitely not easy. An IDGAF attitude is not even enough IME. I still get nervous even around women that I honestly want nothing from..
If you still get nervous then you don't have a IDGAF attitude so you can't say it's not enough.....
 

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What does one thing have to do with another? I think I once lost $20,000 in 90 min. That was a fun day.

Show me where to meet girls in 20s who dont have 6’1 boyfriends and I’ll crush them. It’s always the older ones who are atttacted. They usually want to marry. Then I say sign a prenup and they say go to hell.

Brutal.
We're close in age and do well. What do you think is the material difference between your results and my own with women in their 20s?

Can't be height, as I know plenty of shorter men, most of whom do well.

Now ... you tell me.
 

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Marry? Are you trying to find a woman to marry?
Is that your end game?
 
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If you still get nervous then you don't have a IDGAF attitude so you can't say it's not enough.....
My only point was that the nervousness happens even when I’m talking to someone I genuinely don’t even want/like/care about/need anything from. That’s all.

But I just go with it. It is what it is lol.
 

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We're close in age and do well. What do you think is the material difference between your results and my own with women in their 20s?

Can't be height, as I know plenty of shorter men, most of whom do well.

Now ... you tell me.
1. No leadership
2. Take disrespect
 
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