Why improving your looks is ineffective in the long run

[CornbreadFed]

It’s subjective, but I think it’s something like this:

sub5 - cel tier

5 - low tier normie (LTN)

6 - mid tier normie (MTN)

7 - high tier normie (HTN)

~7.5 - 7.9 - Chadlite

8 or higher - Chad

I agree with everything but an 8 being a Chad. I consider a Chad more so 9-10 range.

 

[Mike32ct]

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I agree with everything but an 8 being a Chad. I consider a Chad more so 9-10 range.
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Yes there is some wiggle room near the upper end. Generally, a guy needs to be an 8 minimum to be considered “hot.”

Is an 8 still Chadlite territory, rather than entry level Chad? Yes, that is certainly possible.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I agree with everything but an 8 being a Chad. I consider a Chad more so 9-10 range.
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Yes there is some wiggle room near the upper end. Generally, a guy needs to be an 8 minimum to be considered “hot.”

Is an 8 still Chadlite territory, rather than entry level Chad? Yes, that is certainly possible.
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I think an 8 is considered attractive but still limited by type preferences. Once you start entering the 9-10 range then those type preferences go out the door.

 

[Mike32ct]

Updated:

sub5 - cel tier

5 - low tier normie

6 - mid tier normie

7 - high tier normie

8 - Chadlite

9 - Chad

10 - GigaChad

 

[Hal9000]

You don’t have to be 6’.

Maybe not, but height is probably the single most universal physical trait women seem to agree is important to them, so whether its 6" or 5'10" or whatever, being an appropriate height is extremely important when talking about men women place a very high value on appearance wise.

 

[DJ Novice]

Looks matter but beauty is subjective. My current girlfriend has a thing for Germanic features (one of my parents was German). She also has no time for guys who dress like they are a hobo (she related a story to me where a guy turned up in a black hoodie with a skull and crossbones to a first date with her which instantly turned her off).

You can always improve your looks through skin care, hairstyle, clothes, gym, diet etc. However looks just get you through the door via a first date. After that you need to emotionally connect with a woman to keep her attraction level high (and satisfy her in the bedroom when it gets to that point).

 

[Gamisch]

One thing this thread overlooked is OP clearly stated that tests with an ugly woman on OLD does proof that it's flooded with guys that could objectively be rated as good looking, yet they're begging for p00sy from this sub5/ 4 looking woman...

EVERY guy been through some variation of dryspell. Even prime Brad Pitt ( couldn't keep Angie..) Tyrese is now known for his crying memes.

Looks are important, but when will we learn that the female mind/ gaze isn't the same as ours. Yes we fools can be with " hb8" even when she openly makes life a living hell. Why? Because her beauty "makes up" for her shytty attitude. Simultaneously a 70 y.o millionaire ( Phil Collins, al Pacino) impregnating 20 y.o models.

We will NEVER understand what's it's like to have a vgg attached to a ( somehwat) attractive body.

Look at this thread. The men who are short say you don't have to be 6 ". The man who are less great looking say you don't have to be gigantic Chad. And the men who are bald say you don't have to have Tarzan -esque hair. Because that's their reality and they've banged plenty of hot women DESPITE their deficiency.

 

[Gamisch]

Another one: the busy man belly.

A man who is extremely busy won't have time to be in the gym 24/7 and thus have a less muscular build but a FAT azz wallet...and the confidence to be a winner in life..( yes if you manage to put both together you'll be in the
1-5 percentile meaning you wake up at 4,30 go to the gym and work till 22.00 while eating like a anorexic women EVERY day)

Shyte like aura and energy are hard to put in words , but if you see it you'll instantly recognise it. Recently there was this seemingly normal looking dude who made the entire bar piss themselves from laughing . Average looking dude but after his cconfident jokes( dry face style but shape as knife and unapologetic) his stock went UP immediately.

Men aren’t supposed to be " pretty". That's why if you are honest you'll see plenty of " Average looking men" with attractive women. Those men might not even be thinking about being pretty but about all the other things that are important to his life and his partner..

Finally I'd say that there's a correlation between "pretty" men and ghey men...a very thin line..you tell me what is what.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Another one: the busy man belly.

A man who is extremely busy won't have time to be in the gym 24/7 and thus have a less muscular build but a FAT azz wallet...and the confidence to be a winner in life..( yes if you manage to put both together you'll be in the
1-5 percentile meaning you wake up at 4,30 go to the gym and work till 22.00 while eating like a anorexic women EVERY day)

Shyte like aura and energy are hard to put in words , but if you see it you'll instantly recognise it. Recently there was this seemingly normal looking dude who made the entire bar piss themselves from laughing . Average looking dude but after his cconfident jokes( dry face style but shape as knife and unapologetic) his stock went UP immediately.

Men aren’t supposed to be " pretty". That's why if you are honest you'll see plenty of " Average looking men" with attractive women. Those men might not even be thinking about being pretty but about all the other things that are important to his life and his partner..

Finally I'd say that there's a correlation between "pretty" men and ghey men...a very thin line..you tell me what is what.

A man can be Handsome without being Pretty.

 

[Gamisch]

A man can be Handsome without being Pretty.

Ofcourse he can. But my point still stands. A man in a tailored suite whose not fat will already be generically handsome. Look at fifa / nba games. There are only so much face types to pick from and from there you can simulate most faces. A haircut or even bald, good teeth , a squared face ect are all features that make a man " good to go".

Look, a man can use the same tactics that women use. A man can use eyeliner to make his eyes pop. But...I don't know fam...

To stay on topic; being overly focused on looks oftentimes goes hand in hand with being extremely insecure, and that takes away from the aura a man needs to be successful and congruent around women.

 

[tksniper]

I think you have to play with the tools the Gods gave you.

Someone like George Clooney would do himself a disfavor if he wasn't constantly tanning, exercising, and exfoliating his face. He's a pretty boy. They have their place in this world.

But not everyone is a pretty boy. And not all women are attracted to pretty boys.

Some guys are more rugged looking and have a lot of testosterone and attract women who are into that.

I used to be a project manager for a construction company and worked with a guy from Brazil who couldn't speak English. But he had that "latin lover" rugged look and women were constantly trying to sleep with him despite him not being able to talk to them. He communicated in sign language and had a porn star's sex life. And the guy was about 5'6.

And then there are some guys that are just tall and will have a demographic of women who will give him a chance even before he opens his mouth.

Some guys have dad bods and believe it or not there are women that are attracted to the "bear" type. Have you seen amateur porn? 90% of guys have dad bods in amateur porn while the woman is often hot.

Whatever "type" you are, just know your genetics survived millions of years of evolution. It shouldn't end with you.

I think it's more important to focus on health, success, and be a well rounded individual.

It is only in these manosphere circles do you have guys make getting laid seem like some impossible tall task that only "Chads" get to do.

In real life there are a variety of guys who can get women. It's just that some have it easier than others.

As for myself, I'm the tattooed "bad boy" type. Last week a couple walked into a Starbucks I was hanging out in and the GF totally ignored her BF and kept eye fvcking me. I literally cucked him just by existing. She was the innocent girl next door type so I guess she was attracted to the opposite. Her BF looked like a typical polo shirt wearing preppy guy.

But guess what though? I'm invisible to 90% of women. If anything, I attract more attention from feminine looking gay guys (yes gay guys are an epidemic where I am at). But being visible to 10% of women is good enough for me. I have my place in this world. I can focus on other things rather than trying to be some universally attractive "Chad".

I don't think being a Chad should be a goal of any man. Sure, he should be fit and healthy. But he should also have a higher purpose that fulfills him. But hey, if you're still at that age where only women can fulfill you, then I guess it's a phase you still have to go through. I was that way in my 20s so I can't knock on anyone who is a little too obsessed with women. Just know that at some point your testosterone/hormones are going to change slightly as you get older and you'll find most women annoying to some degree.

Whatever rose colored goggles you have on in your 20s (and sometimes even 30s) is going to come off and you won't see women the same way anymore. And if you haven't established your life by then, you'll no longer just be a fvckboy. You'll be a loser in life.

 

[BaronOfHair]

90% of guys have dad bods in amateur porn while the woman is often hot.

Similarly, most mass shooters learn their "craft" from playing shi-loads of XBox, and their "renown" doesn't extend far beyond having mowed down a dozen or so tweens, in the cafeteria of a nondescript junior high

Dad bods and pedicide are fine, IF one is content to go through life an amateur. Becoming, then remaining, a pro who's venerated for snuffing out countless heavy hitters like himself, under highly daunting circumstances/Having top-notch women on his arm and in his bed, requires effort and deftness though

 

[CornbreadFed]

Very great words of wisdom from @Gamisch & @tksniper. Men need to learn to work with what they have and what their marketplace desires. Too many guys looking like a busted Eastern European/Middle Eastern/African cab drivers, gym maxxing and trying to imitate an affluent Anglo Saxon origin white kid that goes to war with his parents over a credit card. Y'all aren't the same, so focus on your own niche and strengths.

 

[BaronOfHair]

[QUOTE="CornbreadFed, post: 3168291, Y'all aren't the same, so focus on your own niche and strengths.
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Given the state of the typical Anglo American woman

, it's advisable for men from EVERY demographic to stay clear of them

 

[Hamurabimbi]

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To stay on topic; being overly focused on looks oftentimes goes hand in hand with being extremely insecure, and that takes away from the aura a man needs to be successful and congruent around women.

Most guys get a girl(s). Most guys will figure out why they got a girl(s). It behooves them to capitalize on that. For some. It may be Looks. If so, focusing on nurturing, cultivating & exploiting that advantage makes sense and it isn’t insecurity.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Looks matter but beauty is subjective. My current girlfriend has a thing for Germanic features (one of my parents was German). She also has no time for guys who dress like they are a hobo (she related a story to me where a guy turned up in a black hoodie with a skull and crossbones to a first date with her which instantly turned her off).

You can always improve your looks through skin care, hairstyle, clothes, gym, diet etc. However looks just get you through the door via a first date. After that you need to emotionally connect with a woman to keep her attraction level high (and satisfy her in the bedroom when it gets to that point).

The girl who took my V-card had a ‘thing’ for long haired, skinny, tall rocker dudes. Other than being lean, I possessed none of those qualities.

 

[Mike32ct]

Here is the looks conflict that confuses the shyte out of a lot of guys:

1. Women want a guy who cares about his looks.

2. Women also want a guy who DGAF about his looks and just owns it.

It is a double message for sure.

TLDR: “Make sure you meet her looks standard, and make sure you simultaneously DGAF whether you meet it or not because that is ‘confidence’ lol.”

 

[CornbreadFed]

The girl who took my V-card had a ‘thing’ for long haired, skinny, tall rocker dudes. Other than being lean, I possessed none of those qualities.

pointless sex and giving genuine interest are two different things. Sometimes women will just be horny and you are just good enough and there at the right time. Afterwards, she moves on while the guy is left questioning on what he did wrong and what happened.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

pointless sex and giving genuine interest are two different things. Sometimes women will just be horny and you are just good enough and there at the right time. Afterwards, she moves on while the guy is left questioning on what he did wrong and what happened.

We wound up in a relationship.

 

[CornbreadFed]

We wound up in a relationship.

How did it go