You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
So this chick got one man to impregnate her 4 times, and then as a quadruple single mommy, meeting her "life partner"?
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
Im just kidding 600 is crazy but the idea of being able to just nut and leave without any of the nonsense, love it
There is a such thing of "incel" women. An "incel" woman is one who is dead set on boning chad or Tyrone or she might be lacking in looks or seriously overweight and Chad or Tyrone isn't going to hit it. To this women if it's not Chad or Tyrone they don't want anyone.
I disagree. People wouldn't take an incel guy who is only looking at hb9-hb10 seriously, so why put a double standard for women? If they don't want anyone then they are not incel by definition, they are just unrealistic or too picky. If a woman wants a guy she can usually just get one no matter how grotesque or ugly she looks.
Incel women spoke up. Seriously. There exists women who are seriously overweight or lacking in looks that feel entitled to fvck Chad or Tyrone. Chad and Tyrone don't want her because they have plenty of better pvssy they can fvck.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
There is... I know some. Its due to being too picky. They don't see the others as sexual options
Gotta respectfully disagree....
All you know are fakecels, not incels. Holding out for someone else when there you've got opportunity you are rejecting, means just that, you are holding out, or you are an alpha-widow.
Yes, Black incels are rejected by racist hookers.
I am not trucel myself by any stretch (my past disqualifies that) but I can imagine that must be really hard. However, I normally don't hear this happening, and I've been to the Toronto Escort Board, and never heard a post of an incel, especially a white incel, having a problem like that, not once. You still have to be skeptical of posts and can't simply believe everything you read. Frankly, I find that very hard to believe and think someone may be posting that to get attention or to rile people up. Anyone can post anything.Xenom0rph said:
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Some go sexless for 3,5,10 years with this mindset... They also pedastal those guys giving them unreal and unearned attributes like a guy does females.
It doesn't matter how long they are sexless for, they can be sexless for the rest of their life, it still doesn't change that they are alpha-widows or holding out. If they are talking to guys and getting attention, orbiters, know their inbox will be full when they go online, validation on social media, then to allot of women, this is more important to them than sex is. With incel guys then it could be more isolated, not talking to any woman except in forced business contexts, etc... while you are making this out to be "all about sex", I'm not making it out that way and think social validation is also an issue. If you feel you "could" have someone if you lowered your standards that's not atrocious or fundamentally incompatible then that should disqualify someone from being incel.
For the MANS side we discussed a dynamic you REFUSE to accept. Women are not attracted to sexless men. The exception is a celebrity Tim Tebow. For the rest of men, the women don't know why but they just can't desire him. His sexuality is not turned on until he has sex with someone who desires him. So sometimes to get going, he has to take what he can get. 95% of the non-incel guys here who have sex will agree. You on the other hand have admitted that you have strange relationships.
Most incel men could get laid if they would realize it takes practice to become good with women and that going on 1 date every few months isn't enough
But men are attracted to sexless women like in your example because they are hot? Isn't that a catch-22 that men have that a woman doesn't have. I mean, even taking that argument at face value, no women can be an incel, but only men can be incel because only men can have a catch-22 like that.
Right, because he's incel. So you are agreeing with me, only men can be incel.mrgoodstuff said:
Which could be nothing.mrgoodstuff said:
Yet, nobody likes your posts because they are off base. You don't get scores of people liking your post, and I get more likes on my posts in these discussions generally than you do which doesn't speak much about what other people on here feel about what you are saying.mrgoodstuff said:
Singular, "relationship", you are referring to 2012 ex-gf. How is 2014 with ex-wife "strange"?mrgoodstuff said:
All you are pointing out is to glaring disadvantages men have that women do not have and why only a guy can be an incel.mrgoodstuff said:
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.