Why even try? Why not just enjoy the date as you please?

[raider87]

Just be a cool, down to earth, fun guy and offer good vibes and you'll attract women. I used to be flat broke and I attracted women everywhere I went. Having money in the bank is good for the confidence though.

 

[Tariqa]

I just think 'like your self, live a life you love.' If you are doing that then you'll be living a life you want and women will become less important (but more interested in you).

Let's stop wasting our precious time and energy worrying about women and how to get them.

That was the premise of the entire thread. Forget spending time learning how to seduce women and learning the right words to say, when you could be spending that same time focusing on your success. Whatever you succeed in, women are always attracted to that. You can say all the wrong things but be successful and those wrongs become right.

Women follow success. When you are successful, you dont need game, they do. They come to you.

 

[Tariqa]

If you're tired of it and don't want to do it anymore then don't. Just do whatever you want but I dont think your case or what you are talking about is the same for EVERY guy out there. Maybe you are a 7 ( just an example) and you are ok with 7's and want a ten by getting rich. It could happen or it cant. Same with another 7 that wants a ten by doing it another way. It all works out differently for different guys but either way you are saying you dont want to try with women but you want to get rich bc that will certainly bag a 10. Isnt that trying?

Kinda sorta. You have a point. But not exactly if you already aspire for said aspiration and said aspiration also attracts secondary aspiration, its like killing two birds with one stone.

I already aspired to be rich. But the loneliness kicked in on the journey, forcing me to learn DJ rules on how to get that companion. Now im realizing I never shouldve stopped. Im going back to aspiration 1 because aspiration 1 also obtains aspiration 2 at the same time.



Now you could say, what if I never aspired to be rich and only am seeking to be rich for aspiration 2? Then yes you have a point. Thats still trying.

But that also brings me to the second part of this thread. Why try at all?

Why try to think of the right words to say to make her smile or....
think of the right move to turn her on or...
remember that right line to close the deal??

Why exert so much effort in doing things that doesnt represent who you are?

Be a ****y arrogant humorous jerk? What if thats not who you are? Arent you forcing or trying to create a fake persona to attract women? Thats too much effort to me.



If you want to tell a corny joke and she doesnt think its funny, she isnt the one anyway. Im tired of trying to make people laugh. If my presence doesnt already seduce, why do I need to learn other ways to seduce her? She should already be seduced by my presence alone.

 

[Tariqa]

I still don't get how magically having 5 million dollars in the bank is suddenly going to get me more lays unless I'm flaunting it like a pro athlete in a club? Retaining a girl after the first encounter is a completely different argument, but getting dates or one night stands is what I am saying. I lied on tinder and said I was an aerospace engineer and it still didn't get me ****.

Because its not about what you got but how you reflect it. You can lie and say you have million dollars but until you actually have a million dollars, you wont know how to reflect it. Women are dumb but like bittcches, they can smell money, and they can smell when a man has it or he doesnt.

 

[Tariqa]

I dont know since I dont personally have 5 million dollars but who knows maybe youll start carrying yourself a different way with that much money. My point was that being rich isnt the fast track to women like every guy says and having game isnt the magic bullet to every piece of ass either.

And I never said anything was a magic bullet, but mastering anything in life increases your chances by a significant percentage.

 

[Tariqa]

But according to ops post, girls are Initially either attracted to you or not regardless of game.

Exactly either they like you or they dont.

Lets say at a 4, 2% of the girls in the world like you for who you are.
But the more success you make, the more you increase those odds.

Take the same 4 and give him 15 million dollars.

He now has 46% of the girls in the world initially attracted to him.

He raises his chances significantly.
Of course to get the other 54%, you would need to be a total package. Money, looks, status, game/character. You would need everything. But we arent trying to attract every girl in the world, just increase the chances of finding one of them.

 

[Tariqa]

Just be a cool, down to earth, fun guy and offer good vibes and you'll attract women. I used to be flat broke and I attracted women everywhere I went. Having money in the bank is good for the confidence though.

What if you arent naturally a cool down to earth fun guy?
What if you are a hot headed, weirdo, who likes deep conversation? Less women will be attracted to you. You can try to create that persona but eventually youll get tired of pretending to be who you are not. Youll get tired of dumbing yourself down, and you will be trying to please someone else too hard and you wouldnt even get any personal pleasure from it in the long run.

You didnt have money but you had character. Thats why you attracted so many women. But for the guys who have no character, your advice doesnt work.

 

[Tariqa]

I say "Be yourself" works better if you are already a decent guy. Even if you arent a decent guy, being yourself will attract the girl who is on your level.
If you a scumbag, learning game will only hide who you truly are and you end up with some girl who isnt even compatible to you. But if you just be yourself, youll get that scumbag girl who is just as scummy as you.



DJ game only works if you want a change. DJ taught me the most valuable lesson that I already knew, and thats "Either she likes you or she doesnt".

DJ laws is not a university, its more of a therapy session than anything. It doesnt teach you anything more than what you already know or knew. Its more of a reaffirmation or a reminder than anything else. And for that I say thank you DJ. You reminded me who I was already.

 

[Huffman]

I agree...but 80% of the posts in this forum that are what happened with her??? Posts are simply them failing to escalate in date. I actually just posted a thread about not wanting to read anymore of these crying posts when the guys fail to escalate...sick of it.

Agreed. Although it can take a bit of effort to conjure up the balls; like with any form of taking risks, it's crucial to get used to it and do it alot.

It's funny because for most guys all the variables are pretty clear - they know what they want (at least sex), they know solid theory on how to get it and they know the true risk is rather low (you won't die). But still they get caught up in decision paralysis (fear), and the woman will immediately recognize it.

All this is really about staying focused on what you want, and intuitive decision-making. Which is a skill that can be learned.

 

[JoeMarron]

Being a DJ is about a mindset change, not a bunch of techniques to get a chick to like you. Sure there are techniques in the DJ Bible but you have to understand that some people need the basics laid out for them step by step. The techniques are a teaching tool. As an aspiring DJ starts to learn how social interaction with women works, he'll be operating on instinct instead of relying on technique.

You can't tell a 30 year old socially awkward virgin to just focus on making money. He'll be able to buy expensive wh0res but he sure as hell won't have any women who are sincerely interested in him. Teach him game and not only will he be better with women, but he'll be a better man in general.

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

I think 'game', 'alpha', and everything that goes with it can be completely disheartening for guys already having difficulties. If you believe the posters on this board they would tell you that if you have great game then you can score hottie's all the time.

I call bull****

Yeah, if you are attractive, socially confident, and have the time you can get laid. Simple probability says that the number of 9s and 10s out there are pretty slim. If that is you then game and theory isn't really necessary for you.

Yes, if you have the time and income go to the gym. If you have a racing metabolism you will always be skinny. If you are fat, not being fat will help you get laid. Being well built will help but it is not the be all and end all.

If you are naturally unnatractive, the gym won't help. Having a squillion dollars won't help.
Having social/sexual confidence will help.

There are tips and techniques in the DJ bible that might help. All they are doing is making you SEEM socially/sexually confident.

Social/sexual confidence is what the DJ bible is all about. Going to the gym, making money, getting that nose job all might give you that confidence but they are just tools.

That guy busy making a squillion dollars. His wife is busy fvcking the pool cleaner.

For those guys learning all this stuff for the first time. Forget all the tips and techniques. Forget the supermodel dream ( for now).
Just ask yourself what would a socially/sexually confident person do.... And do it. They would flirt, they would believe that women could've interested in them and they would make their sexual intention clear, using eye contact and touch.
Because they are socially/sexually confident they don't care if a woman rejects them. There will be others.

Money, muscles, job, looks are not as important as social/sexual confidence IMVHO.