"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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why does being a nice guy never work on the ladies?

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Because it's manipulative and disingenuous. Like salespeople or High street charity chuggers their niceness doesn't fool anybody.
 

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Because we all hate people who are too nice.Its smells with a trap.Dont you remember momy always told you not to take candy from old men ?
 

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Has nothing to do with nice or not. It's 95 percent looks. It just so happens that less attractive guys are often nicer to compensate.

Plus women don't want to sound as shallow as they are, so they tell the less attractive guy that he is too nice lol.
 

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Has nothing to do with nice or not. It's 95 percent looks. It just so happens that less attractive guys are often nicer to compensate.

Plus women don't want to sound as shallow as they are, so they tell the less attractive guy that he is too nice lol.
That's not true. I had a much better looking friend than me who was also 6'2 but was a quintessential nice guy. How many times I heard how good looking girls thought he was only to be let down by his niceness. I have never had a girl tell me I was a nice guy, because I'm not. I'm extremely bitter and jaded and the girls seem to love it. I think they think I'm joking when in reality I'm not.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Nice is boring, because if woman feels you agree easily and are easy to manipulate there is no challenge and no passion.Nice guy is flat, one dimensional character.He is Mr NothingHappens
 

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That's not true. I had a much better looking friend than me who was also 6'2 but was a quintessential nice guy. How many times I heard how good looking girls thought he was only to be let down by his niceness. I have never had a girl tell me I was a nice guy, because I'm not. I'm extremely bitter and jaded and the girls seem to love it. I think they think I'm joking when in reality I'm not.
I see what you are saying, but maybe your friend wasn't aggressive enough. In other words, he clearly had women attracted to him, but he didn't "pull the trigger" and ask them out or try to F them (soon enough). Looks are great, but women will still give up on you if you don't make a move in a reasonable amount of time.

I just don't think being nice was his biggest problem. I don't know the guy, but I would guess he wasn't forward enough.

Of course women don't want to be worshipped. But I think they will forgive niceness if he has the looks and makes a move.

Some women do like jerks. I don't dispute that at all. But I think we have to be careful with the jerk vs nice guy thing so newbies don't take it the wrong way. A guy might think "niceness" is his problem when it is really his looks that are lacking. Or maybe he is attractive already, but is branded "too nice" by women because he isn't forward enough. (In other words, the women initially wanted to F him, but have since given up and FZ-ed him because he was too timid/slow.)
 

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thing is nice guys normally lack initiative and don't like to risk a rejection, so he is there, being "nice", but most of time he is just afraid
 

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Alvafe said:
thing is nice guys normally lack initiative and don't like to risk a rejection, so he is there, being "nice", but most of time he is just afraid
Yeah no doubt. He might not be hot enough for women to approach him, but he might have enough looks to get by if he actually made a move and approached.

Being a pleasant person isn't his problem. Being too afraid is.
 

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Because it's manipulative and disingenuous. Like salespeople or High street charity chuggers their niceness doesn't fool anybody.
If they are manipulative and disingenuous, then by definition they are NOT nice. Although you are right that those people fit the supposed "nice guy" personality that PUAs came up with.

If you're stuck on the side of the road, and you need a jump and you call a buddy. The nice guy will come give you a jump, and the jerk will tell you to thumb a ride. Those are the REAL definitions of nice guys and jerks. It's just all been twisted by PUA gurus and the manosphere.

There isn't a single thing wrong with being GENUINELY nice.

Mike32ct said:
I see what you are saying, but maybe your friend wasn't aggressive enough. In other words, he clearly had women attracted to him, but he didn't "pull the trigger" and ask them out or try to F them (soon enough). Looks are great, but women will still give up on you if you don't make a move in a reasonable amount of time.

I just don't think being nice was his biggest problem. I don't know the guy, but I would guess he wasn't forward enough.
Another problem with passive men is that they tend to get too clingy, too fast, too desperate, and too emotional. Women generally take longer to develop "feelings" than men because they usually have more options. It's a big turn off to them if the guy gets attached too quickly because it makes him look undesirable, like he doesn't have any options.

HOWEVER, there is nothing in the word "nice" that has anything to do with being passive, aggressive, needy, or desperate.

Now, I don't pretend to be the nicest guy on the planet. In fact, I'm probably one of the most selfish persons I know. But I try to treat people with a baseline of respect, unless they show they deserve otherwise. And I have never in my life once had to pretend to be a "jerk" in order to attract women.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Because "nice guys" (in the pejorative sense, not self-assured men who happen to be nice) tend to be weak, cowardly, pushovers beneath the veneer of niceness, and not only can women easily pick up on this, but how could they ever respect a guy with those attributes?

I remember RSD Tyler once said in one of his videos that he likes that women punish that sort of behavior (pretty sure he dubbed it "little b1tch behavior" in the vid). Couldn't agree more. They're poorly disguised con artists. There's decorum, and then there's thinking up the 'right answer' to minimize the odds that nobody's toes are stepped on.
 

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Mike32ct said:
I see what you are saying, but maybe your friend wasn't aggressive enough. In other words, he clearly had women attracted to him, but he didn't "pull the trigger" and ask them out or try to F them (soon enough). Looks are great, but women will still give up on you if you don't make a move in a reasonable amount of time.
But if they give up on you just because you didn't make a move, doesn't this mean that they will be happy when you finally make a move after they have given up? I mean, if you want to buy a car, for example, that you thought was affordable but you find out that it's too expensive. Maybe you give up on this car, yes, but what if, one month later, this car suddenly is affordable? Wouldn't you just be happy and finally buy it?
 

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DiegoSantori said:
But if they give up on you just because you didn't make a move, doesn't this mean that they will be happy when you finally make a move after they have given up? I mean, if you want to buy a car, for example, that you thought was affordable but you find out that it's too expensive. Maybe you give up on this car, yes, but what if, one month later, this car suddenly is affordable? Wouldn't you just be happy and finally buy it?

The answer to the car analogy is yes.

But women don't really work that way. Friend zone is generally irreversible. If you make her wait too long (without you making a move), she will lose respect and a lot of attraction for you. Then if you make a late move on her, at BEST, she might reluctantly go on the date with you, but it will never be the same. Her interest level will be lukewarm at BEST.

You really do have to "strike when the iron's hot."
 

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Nice guy wait for too long to make a move.

But you are a fool or you don't really get laid and don't know sh!t about women if you think jerks get real beautiful women. Like attract like. What you seek seeks you. Period.

Jerks attract hot/attractive broken girls with insecure ego and too much personality issues and fvcked up pasts. I Have many friends who are jerks and that how they all roll. For a naive/inexperienced man it may seems he is always with hot babes and they are hot until they open their mouth and you get to know them. then if you have self respect and value your time you won't spend more time with them unless you are only seeking secs or desperate as fvck just to be with an attractive girl.

Who gets the real beautiful girls with great personalities and true feminine nature are guys who as well has great personalities, good looks (yeah they are attracted to good genes as well ), masculine, make their intentions clear and truly love women.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Mike32ct said:
The answer to the car analogy is yes.

But women don't really work that way. Friend zone is generally irreversible. If you make her wait too long (without you making a move), she will lose respect and a lot of attraction for you. Then if you make a late move on her, at BEST, she might reluctantly go on the date with you, but it will never be the same. Her interest level will be lukewarm at BEST.

You really do have to "strike when the iron's hot."
Provided that the only thing you have is your looks lol.
 

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Mike32ct said:
Has nothing to do with nice or not. It's 95 percent looks. It just so happens that less attractive guys are often nicer to compensate.

Plus women don't want to sound as shallow as they are, so they tell the less attractive guy that he is too nice lol.
Exactly.... Tall Pretty boys/real good kicking guys rarely ever get labeled as nice guys, they're just hot and desirable...
 

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It does work, here's what does (to name just a few):

Being needy
Being too available
Agreeing with everything

Most "nice guys" aren't as nice as they act. Anyone can smell this a mile away when the items listed become apparant.

Being nice is paramount in maximizing plates, IMO. Don't act and be yourself. If yourself is a jackass, fix it, then be yourself :p

Mauser96 said:
When you get the attitude "Nope, not going to do that/tolerate that. I guess I am not the guy for you. It is better we part ways." she hears "Holy fvck. He is willing to drop me that quick? He won't tolerate my drama and manipulaton? He must be able to get women easily, whenever he wants. I better hang onto this one, he is a hot commodity"
This mentality will have women leaving you faster than ever lol. Been there/done that. Not every women is the same, the ones this works on aare typically needy insecure girls that bring drama. Still smashable tho ;)
 

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Women want men who are a cause, not an effect.

"Nice guys" are reactive and affected by every breeze that blows around them. Well adjusted men cause others to react to them.
 

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However...What IF the nice guy HAS Fvcked a Lot of women? What IF he has been laid soooooooooooo many times? um, how can he NOT be desired by virtually Any woman? eventually? I find it Very difficult to be nice (like I was when I was virgin decades ago -- when I could NEVER get laid -- I was genuinely NOT genuine, I was a fake pastry version of myself because that was how School taught/brought me up to Be..the fake salesman, the college preparatory school. You had to be clean-cut, in the environment I grew up in, you could be expelled for something as small as getting caught drinking on the weekend (just by word of mouth, someone saw you at a party drinking, you gone!). So, in the beginning, because I was so sheltered, I was the fake nice guy women (from other schools And my school of course) did not like, although a few wanted me even in spite of that niceness due to my looks and jock "star" player status.

But a dude who is getting laid, CANNOT be nice. This is because the mere "getting laid" changes the man from the inside out..it just, you are Not the same anymore. So, "nice guys" who can not get laid, are nice guys who have Never been laid, or have only be laid a couple of times. After about 10-20 lays, it's impossible for a dude to BE nice in interactions with females. He may Try to be "nice" but it's impossible because the mystery of pvssy is so not all that great anymore. It's "oh, that's all she is...the slit" "that's all she can give me worth giving" so if that's ALL (there is) then conversing with them is so easy and they sense that you don't give a fvck cause you been there done that. It comes across. This is how 3-somes just appear outta nowhere, because the females you are speaking with are both in agreement that you are LOOSE and they will have no qualms about just fvcking you right here right now. You are that invitable, because you are a Wh0re yourself. I'm a Wh0re to my work. Most people are.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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