Why do you want a "relationship/gf?"

[gettinit]

So it was amazing sex and communication the whole time. Interesting.

Why would a rotation be work? Aren’t they coming to you? Do you feel obligated to do things with them or for them? If so, it’s not really a rotation. Women are for sex. Or do you need companionship, togetherness, completeness, etc etc?

Here is what I am seeing. Men going into the idea of a “rotation” with their programmed responses and thinking still locked into the feminine imperative.

Until she started drinking heavily, yeah, good (and imaginative) sex, good communication, limited to no BS. I had coffee served to me in bed EVERY morning. She had a well paying job, wasn't lazy and took care of her business. As far as feeling obligated, some things just come with the territory, but I just won't do things that i won't enjoy at all. That courtesy was reciprocated. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't all glitter and laughs. Everyone has disagreements unless you are emotionally crippled or afraid that someone will leave or be mad if you anger or disagree with them.

As far as rotation, the work was scheduling, like finding time for more than one plate, double booking or cancels. being able to actually plan something weeks out (had a few days away set up, we broke it off and I couldn't line up a replacement on short notice), f-ing up on text replies to the wrong one and more. I actually do enjoy the companionship of a woman, especially where I don't see motive for a hidden agenda like marriage, financial support or kids. If it can actually be discussed for what it is and its a place that you want to go, its not ALWAYS a bad choice if you go in eyes open and not due to pressure. I think that the divorce rate being so high is due to people not being honest with or true to themselves and instead bowing to social pressure. A recipe for disaster.

I don't need anyone to complete me and am more than happy to hang out with myself. As far as women only being for sex (feel free to correct me if I read that wrong), part of me feels sorry for you, but everyone has their viewpoint and that seems to be pretty extreme to me. Why not just get a hooker and eliminate most of the downsides of an LTR or Rotation? Just as there are different levels of men, from weak/manipulative to strong/kind, I believe that the same applies to women. The key is having the ability to figure out which is which. Having been burnt my share of times, I think that I have gotten pretty good at it, even though some are pretty damned good at covert manipulation tactics. One worked me for years. She was a pro and it f-ed me up pretty good. It took a while for me to get my head straight again. Another lesson learned and life goes on.

Rotation is just that and I see it as having absolutely no desire to do anything but drive to the lay and ride it until she does something that you deem as a violation and replace her. Rinse, repeat. Mixing that with a desire to convert a plate to an LTR (if that is what you mean by the feminine imperative) is a fools game. If you think that I'm beta because I enjoy things other than a rotation, so be it. Its just how I roll.

Wow, this post turned into a book. I wonder what the skim/read ratio will be?

 

[corrector]

Has nothing to do with you visiting hookers. My comment was because you stated you can catch demons. That is why I stated you needed mental help. Demons only exist in movies dude. Hookers are everywhere.

I never said it had anything to do with visiting hookers but the fall-out afterwards. I said the experience after the fact. Something "happened" one day later in the morning.

Other posters on here have commented, at least twice, in the life of the function of this topic, that they believe that hooker's posses a dark energy because of the criminal component (whether legal or not legal or whether enforced or not), and if you look at @mrgoodstuff, I think you are just brushing this whole subject in a biased and unfair way. What do you account for his posts?

I mean, you have never used a hooker so you wouldn't know yourself if you can catch a non-tangible (i.e. notice I said "something" but I'm not going to say devil because you keep getting triggered off). You would be the best person to test out any fall-out experience using a hooker because you can contrast it with casual sex and then compare if both types of sex have the SAME dark energy as @mrgoodstuff is claiming. If you are unwilling to do so then you are not brave enough to conduct an experiment, in the name of science, and disprove there is something very, very strange when you are dealing with a hooker. Otherwise, if seeing a hooker and seeing an un-paid promiscious women you met at the hotels in NYC, or whatever, is the same thing, then your point of pride would make sense. If it really is something different then your point of pride falls apart. You are not really lowering yourself from not using a hooker, the point is, I have a benefit of experience, even if negative, that you don't have so no matter what you say here, you can't relate that there could be something of a dark energy behind them as @mrgoodstuff is claiming.

Look I didn't mean to swear at you since I'm going to assume you mean well so lets just agree to disagree if we can't progress further. Just consider the fact of what @mrgoodstuff said and what others are saying, that there is something mystical or unusual dealing with hookers that point to the fact of another "demonic" dimension entirely, one that's best left closed. If you are too prideful to test that out, then technically you can not disprove what I am saying.

 

[Trump]

We all know there are advantages and disadvantages to both rotations and LTRs.

What are the advantages of a LTR?

 

[RickTheToad]

I never said it had anything to do with visiting hookers but the fall-out afterwards. I said the experience after the fact. Something "happened" one day later in the morning.

Other posters on here have commented, at least twice, in the life of the function of this topic, that they believe that hooker's posses a dark energy because of the criminal component (whether legal or not legal or whether enforced or not), and if you look at @mrgoodstuff, I think you are just brushing this whole subject in a biased and unfair way. What do you account for his posts?

I mean, you have never used a hooker so you wouldn't know yourself if you can catch a non-tangible (i.e. notice I said "something" but I'm not going to say devil because you keep getting triggered off). You would be the best person to test out any fall-out experience using a hooker because you can contrast it with casual sex and then compare if both types of sex have the SAME dark energy as @mrgoodstuff is claiming. If you are unwilling to do so then you are not brave enough to conduct an experiment, in the name of science, and disprove there is something very, very strange when you are dealing with a hooker. Otherwise, if seeing a hooker and seeing an un-paid promiscious women you met at the hotels in NYC, or whatever, is the same thing, then your point of pride would make sense. If it really is something different then your point of pride falls apart. You are not really lowering yourself from not using a hooker, the point is, I have a benefit of experience, even if negative, that you don't have so no matter what you say here, you can't relate that there could be something of a dark energy behind them as @mrgoodstuff is claiming.

Look I didn't mean to swear at you since I'm going to assume you mean well so lets just agree to disagree if we can't progress further. Just consider the fact of what @mrgoodstuff said and what others are saying, that there is something mystical or unusual dealing with hookers that point to the fact of another "demonic" dimension entirely, one that's best left closed. If you are too prideful to test that out, then technically you can not disprove what I am saying.

I don't judge a dude for using a hooker. Doesn't matter to me. I just think it's so easy to get p ussy nowadays, there really is no need. From what I am told, the high end hoars are tested monthly like porn stars, but that would set you back $$$. In theory, they would be safer than your average lady on the street. I do know many dudes look down or negatively on themselves for paying for a hooker. Thus, that brings you down a dark lonely path. If you want and need sex so badly, fire up Bumble and you will get p ussy for a few drinks within a week. Plus, you will not feel bad or down on yourself for it. That is all I am saying. There is no reason for me to test out a hooker. I do not have have issues pulling in ladies for sex. Are they as hot as high end hoes, in terms of looks? Some are, some aren't. I will tell you, the three I posted here with the pics were hell and a hand basket to deal with. Work is stress enough, sex is supposed to be a release, not more stress. This is what dude's need to realize. It's not the ladies, it's not society, it's them and their confidence. I bet you, if you believed in yourself more, you can pull a decent lady. Is she going to look like Mila Kunis, probably not, but she will be f uckable. The best part of dating, if you want to, you can always trade the model in for another. Is that a wise decision, not sure, but it's an option nonetheless.

I will tell you a quick story. When I was younger, I went with my best friend to a gentleman's club in Manhattan. We are all decked to the nine's and all had the strippers giving us "free" lap dances. We were all invited in the back, some went, some didn't. For a few hundred bucks, you can go through that experience as well. And no, I didn't go back there, but some of my friends did. I already had someone I was f ucking, so there was no need.

 

[RickTheToad]

What are the advantages of a LTR?

Why not ask Melania in the West Wing?

 

[corrector]

I don't judge a dude for using a hooker. Doesn't matter to me. I just think it's so easy to get p ussy nowadays, there really is no need. From what I am told, the high end hoars are tested monthly like porn stars, but that would set you back $$$.

What about the dark energy that @mrgoodstuff is talking about? He says that even free hoes you get on Bumble also have dark energy.

I'm hoping other people will chime into this because I don't believe STDs are a worst case scenario, because it's simply not the ONLY thing that could go wrong.

In theory, they would be safer than your average lady on the street. I do know many dudes look down or negatively on themselves for paying for a hooker. Thus, that brings you down a dark lonely path.

If it was as you are describing, then the symptoms I received would have not lasted more than a day. It would have a name.
But I'm sorry, insomnia, nausea, perceptual disturbances, feeling part of my soul was lost to someone else, unable to fap, watch movies, porn, unable to eat, loss of appetite, and disturbances lasting about a month that seems like a PTSD problem does not sound as you are describing.

How many dudes do you know got PTSD from dealing with a hooker? If your answer is zero, then it's not a matter of looking down or negatively on themselves. I was in a state of PTSD between December 6- December 28, 2014, because of an event that occurred the morning after dealing with the prostitutes. I was in a state of pure bliss after the encounter and was on cloud 9 until that crash happened.

If you want and need sex so badly, fire up Bumble and you will get p ussy for a few drinks within a week.

There are a few problems with this. This whole conversation is based on December, 2014 so we are really talking in a time-capsule.
I'm doing the best I can to recreate this time and year 5 years ago.

The change of a Canadian law regarding whether buying of sex is legal or illegal on December 6, 2014 was the primary motivation to visiting those two prostitutes on December 4 & December 5, 2014. When the money was exchanged, it was technically legal in Canada. After midnight on December 6, 2014, it became illegal (i.e. it doesn't seem to be enforced as I thought. There are no stormtrooper police force rounding up johns, etc...)

If there was no legal change in this country then I don't feel there would have been enough motivation to have gone through with that.

Do you understand the crazy logic behind the decision to visit the two hookers? A law had to change to provide the motivation. No legal change, then no motivation.

I think this play in law, going through divorce proceedings with my ex-wife who also had a daughter, are among a number of issues that lead to those symptoms. How would you feel if you took advantage of a law that's non-enforceable until after midnight with a last minute purchase while also initiating divorce proceedings at the same time? Something about the whole thing is just jarring.

 

[samspade]

If you really like the woman, why would you ruin it by making her your wife or LTR?

If you really like the woman, why would you ruin it?

[W]hy would you ruin it?

Yes. Why would YOU ruin it?

LTR or plate.

This is something every man here should be asking himself.

 

[MatureDJ]

Just as the thread states. What are the perks? What can you get with a "GF/Relationship" that you cant get from a rotation?

Theoretically, sex by simply turning the gal on her side (I like spooning) while in bed ready to go asleep. A genetic legacy (i.e., kids). A caretaker-nurse when I get old. Domestic duties like cooking & cleaning. Other than that, I don't see the point of having a woman around.

 

[RickTheToad]

What about the dark energy that @mrgoodstuff is talking about? He says that even free hoes you get on Bumble also have dark energy.

I'm hoping other people will chime into this because I don't believe STDs are a worst case scenario, because it's simply not the ONLY thing that could go wrong.



If it was as you are describing, then the symptoms I received would have not lasted more than a day. It would have a name.
But I'm sorry, insomnia, nausea, perceptual disturbances, feeling part of my soul was lost to someone else, unable to fap, watch movies, porn, unable to eat, loss of appetite, and disturbances lasting about a month that seems like a PTSD problem does not sound as you are describing.

How many dudes do you know got PTSD from dealing with a hooker? If your answer is zero, then it's not a matter of looking down or negatively on themselves. I was in a state of PTSD between December 6- December 28, 2014, because of an event that occurred the morning after dealing with the prostitutes. I was in a state of pure bliss after the encounter and was on cloud 9 until that crash happened.


There are a few problems with this. This whole conversation is based on December, 2014 so we are really talking in a time-capsule.
I'm doing the best I can to recreate this time and year 5 years ago.

The change of a Canadian law regarding whether buying of sex is legal or illegal on December 6, 2014 was the primary motivation to visiting those two prostitutes on December 4 & December 5, 2014. When the money was exchanged, it was technically legal in Canada. After midnight on December 6, 2014, it became illegal (i.e. it doesn't seem to be enforced as I thought. There are no stormtrooper police force rounding up johns, etc...)

If there was no legal change in this country then I don't feel there would have been enough motivation to have gone through with that.

Do you understand the crazy logic behind the decision to visit the two hookers? A law had to change to provide the motivation. No legal change, then no motivation.

I think this play in law, going through divorce proceedings with my ex-wife who also had a daughter, are among a number of issues that lead to those symptoms. How would you feel if you took advantage of a law that's non-enforceable until after midnight with a last minute purchase while also initiating divorce proceedings at the same time? Something about the whole thing is just jarring.

I think these are internal things you have to work through in your head, and that is why it's not a bad idea to seek assistance with a therapist. As for a hooker, fly down to Nevada for a weekend. You can go to the bunny ranch, or dozens of other legal brothels for sex. Or, just go to a stripclub and they offer sexual services usually in the back.

As for the divorce thing? Well, your first problem was marrying a single mom. The second, I think you have some things in your head to work through. Time heals all wounds, but you must give yourself the time and the tools to heal. You will never be scar free, but you can rebound from the hurt and doubt you are currently experiencing.

 

[andreihaha]

What are the advantages of a LTR?

Are you kidding me?
Are you so sad that you can't see them?

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Most guys are just boring losers tbh

 

[Trump]

Are you kidding me?
Are you so sad that you can't see them?

What does being sad have to do with them? Who says they exist?

Instead of attacking me and evading the answer, why don’t you list them.

 

[Epic Days]

Are you kidding me?
Are you so sad that you can't see them?

See what? How much empirical evidence does it take to see something or are you a hopeless romantic?

 

[Speculator E]

See what? How much empirical evidence does it take to see something or are you a hopeless romantic?

The key idea is that once you establish a good working LTR with a women, then you can focus your attention and energy on more productive stuff. You cannot become the president of anything without being married. People will look at you and think something is wrong.

 

[Epic Days]

The key idea is that once you establish a good working LTR with a women, then you can focus your attention and energy on more productive stuff. You cannot become the president of anything without being married. People will look at you and think something is wrong.

The exact opposite happens. I can’t believe what I just read. That is a socially conditioned lie.

I don’t even have a good way of putting this that you would understand. Obviously you’ve never really experienced what you just wrote. You have pain and disillusion on your horizon.

 

[Epic Days]

The key idea is that once you establish a good working LTR with a women, then you can focus your attention and energy on more productive stuff. You cannot become the president of anything without being married. People will look at you and think something is wrong.

So explain how this is done whereby her desire doesn’t wain and she, being an emotional creature, doesn’t become unhappy and resentful. Be careful what you write, there is a lot of unassailable science in that.

 

[andreihaha]

See what? How much empirical evidence does it take to see something or are you a hopeless romantic?

What does being sad have to do with them? Who says they exist?

Instead of attacking me and evading the answer, why don’t you list them.

What girl fked you both so bad that you can't even see the advantages of having a girlfriend/wife any more?
Is your brain so full of PUA propaganda that you can't think straight or are you just trolling to seem macho?

 

[Epic Days]

What girl fked you both so bad that you can't even see the advantages of having a girlfriend/wife any more?
Is your brain so full of PUA propaganda that you can't think straight or are you just trolling to seem macho?

I’m not a PUA and I’ve never been damaged by a woman or relationship. That would be impossible. I want the woman/women I’m seeing to remain excited and happy. When it runs its course, all is well.

You are not experienced enough to evaluate these things.

 

[andreihaha]

I’ve never been damaged by a woman or relationship. That would be impossible.

Haha, good one Macho man! Have you been hurt by men then?

You are not experienced enough to evaluate these things.

I'm experienced enough to call BS on that.

I will not respond to your posts in here, too much of a troll vibe.

 

[Epic Days]

Once a man fully understands himself and the way of life and living, he becomes calm in his position. There is no anger, stress or any adverse condition. It is a calm peace with the world and how it really is.

There are no “bad” women when viewed from this higher position. Women are just women. Each is different and each is the same. Their identity is nothing but a molding to the environment they are in. They are without form outside of an environment. Their identity is always viewed from the position on how they are fitting into their present environment.