Anything other than a keen yes is a high flake risk.Howiestern said:. Eventually you reach a point where you can predict a flake before it even happens.
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She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.
You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.
The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.
Anything other than a keen yes is a high flake risk.Howiestern said:. Eventually you reach a point where you can predict a flake before it even happens.
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Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
I never said it was your job to make them feel comfortable, but you will highly increase your chances of success/not flaking if you build rapport which is essentially building comfortability while getting their hamster spinning. This is excluding any external factors such as social proof/status/wealth. You can secure the date in 2-3 exchanges of text/email but i bet you the guy that makes her laugh through longer exchanges and makes her qualify herself more building rapport will probably be more successful assuming they're equal in standing of looks, status, and wealth.Espi said:I respectfully disagree.
Proposing a date after just one or two emails may well make her feel extremely UNCOMFORTABLE--but isn't that what most of us actually WANT?
Don't we often have to sacrifice comfort in order to accomplish something or meet somebody worthwhile?
It's not MY job, nor is it my CONCERN, to comfort her. MY job is to meet her face-to-face and evolve the momentum forward. Let HER arrive at feeling comfortable (or not) with me. I'm concerned ONLY with how a chick makes ME feel...all I'm really trying to do is meet a chick who moves me below the belt or stimulates me in some way.
Some women, in my opinion, don't even WANT to feel comfortable before meeting a guy. They WANT the thrill, the unpredictability, perhaps even the DANGER of meeting a guy who is a complete stranger.
Yeah one really good looking girl messaged me first, we quickly agreed to the date and swapped numbers, and she texted me promptly.Espi said:Even a bona-fide "yes" has flaked on me. Rare--but it happens every now and then.
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That's not a flake, that's a rejection of the date invite and its happened to me a few times too.Espi said:I've met a TON of women on match.com who have responded to me like this: "Well thanks for the compliment and for askign me out but I just met somebody and want to see where it goes. Best of luck to you"
Any excuse without a counter offer is a rejection! Let's keep this in mind fellas!Espi said:Who knows? It's perfectly natural to want to understand a woman's reason for flaking. We naturally want to feel in control, like we can solve problems.
Your princess is in another castle. Assume this and put her on the backburner or just drop her ass. Women who are interested in you won't confuse you.
Your situation is NOT unique. Happens ALL the time. To EVERY guy who's out there chasing tail. It's just part of the game.
But like I said before: I see absolutely NO reasoning or science behind flaking. Guys have TRIED to write stuff about "overcoming flaking" etc. But it's mostly hogwash to me.
Spin more plates.
Best to regard being flaked on as a barometer of success rather than failure. If you're not getting flaked on or rejected, you're likely not trying hard enough.
If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done? You can try, try, try, but what if you're not ACTUALLY GETTING?
At least she had the courtesy of telling you up front that the meeting was cancelled. I personally wouldn't have responded to her, though. I would have just deleted her name from my phone and also blocked her from contact and search on the Internet dating website.
Call it what you want, she rejected you.
I've met a TON of women on match.com who have responded to me like this: "Well thanks for the compliment and for asking me out but I just met somebody and want to see where it goes. Best of luck to you."
REJECTION!!!
I immediately BLOCK these women's profiles because 9 times out of 10, I'll see their profile hours later and notice that they're currently logged onto the website, which means they're probably still flirting with other men...so their email response about "meeting someone" is usually full of shiat...they just didn't have the gall to either just ignore my email or say, "Not interested."
If a woman rejects a man verbally with not interested, she'll lose attention. That's why they gotta resort to "soft" rejections like LJBF, Let's take it slow, Friends first, etc.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Colossus said:Flaking is a function of sex rank and options.
The younger and more attractive a girl is in relation to the local market, the higher her sex rank. The higher her sex rank, the more options she has. Most attractive girls (especially online) will commit to multiple options and pick the best one at the last minute. Or, they will give you a soft 'yes' and flake if something better comes up. Just part of the game.
A flake in my book is an automatic NEXT with no second chances.