Why do us guys, men, have to be perfect everything in order to get girls?

[initiatorhater06]

I don't know, I don't know why most people think we men, males have the upper hand

 

[CoolBlue]

I don't know, I don't know why most people think we men, males have the upper hand

No one has the upper hand. We are not at war with the females here. We are fighting with other males for mates. What you want is an upper hand against other guys. Don't you get this?

 

[bigneil]

That's true CoolBlue, but many women feel that they are entitled to a man who has all of the best qualities of all the men who ever used them for a one-night stand. Guy A had more money than you and Guy B was prettier than you and Guy Z had a nicer body than you. These women never get what they want because no man has it all, but they can still manage to make us feel inferior nonetheless.

 

[CoolBlue]

That's true CoolBlue, but many women feel that they are entitled to a man who has all of the best qualities of all the men who ever used them for a one-night stand. Guy A had more money than you and Guy B was prettier than you and Guy Z had a nicer body than you. These women never get what they want because no man has it all, but they can still manage to make us feel inferior nonetheless.

Well you can do the same back to them. Girl A is prettier than you, Girl B has bigger boobs than you and Girl Z is younger and fresher than you. You will never get what you want because no girl has it all, but you can still manage to make them feel inferior nonetheless.

 

[RSanders219]

I would never date a woman just because she is attractive, I will tell a *****y HB10 who has no life or plastic personality to take a hike if she treats me like sh1t, and would take a loving, caring, HB7 girl over her any day.

When I look around to date girls, I tend to look for ones that I can actually see something lasting. Not just a one night stand.. I've been there and I don't really like it.

 

[UnsworthK]

Incidentally, what about homosexual relationships? Is sex something that's "given" from one particular partner to the other?

Yep. And taken by the other.

 

[playergamehater]

because women have higher standards

 

[Strelok]

I would never date a woman just because she is attractive, I will tell a *****y HB10 who has no life or plastic personality to take a hike if she treats me like sh1t, and would take a loving, caring, HB7 girl over her any day.

When I look around to date girls, I tend to look for ones that I can actually see something lasting. Not just a one night stand.. I've been there and I don't really like it.

Everybody would do so,the problem is that the HB7 you're talking about behave no different from the H10.
The loving,caring,etc girl thanks to tv and facebook(being liked in every goddman picture make a 5 consider herself a 8) are probably the ones under the 6...probably.

 

[PapiChulo]

Hey, this phenomena should be studied more closely. It feels like there is indeed too many men around. If we were in cavemen times, I would simply club most of the guys over the head.

 

[Cherokee]

This is nature... in terms of biology this is how it rolls.

Science tells us, the egg is far rarer than the sperm cell. Something that is rarer has more value. You guys preach this on a daily basis. Even your sperm competes to try and fertilize the egg, that is how nature works.

Guys are the providers right? we have to show we have the provider qualities. In modern day terms, survivor qualities are a good job and secure living. Add in a stable personality; which means you can deal with all the **** life throws at you and then you'll get all the good women wet.

The real truth, unless you already have Alpha status, you HAVE to work for it. But imagine if you didn't have to work for it? I don't know about you, but if I don't have motivation I become a lazy chump, guys NEED motivation, then we use our full potential.

Hey, this phenomena should be studied more closely. It feels like there is indeed too many men around. If we were in cavemen times, I would simply club most of the guys over the head.

Weirdly, there are actually more women than men in the world. A lot of guys are busy shooting each other in the desert.

 

[Warrior74]

Less nerding, more improving.

 

[penkitten]

i met my first husband when we were kids. i thought he was perfect. i had no idea that he wasn't. ( i didn't have some list of criteria that he had met... i just loved him so much, that i thought he was. at the time, i didn't know that no one was perfect and that everyone is flawed.) we settled down young and had a family fast and before i knew it, he was gone.

for a while, i did nothing but grieve. when i was ready to date again, i saw perfection in no one. hell, it was hard to stay interested in anyone. i was often confused on what type of man i was looking for. it wasn't that i was picky or trying to find someone perfect. it was because i was young and had no idea who i even was, much less who i was looking for in this gigantic world.

for a while, every time i dated someone new, i could add another line to "things i am not looking for".
like i didn't know exactly what i wanted but as i was discovering who i was, i was discovering who was not right for me and what kind of life i did not want to end up in.

as i built myself a new foundation and became the person i am today... one by one i could add to the list of things i was not looking for. i never made a list of things that i was looking for. i figured i would know it when i seen it.

eventually, i met a wonderful man. one who may not be perfect but is perfect for me. we have a happy home and a great sex life. he's the best friend i ever had. we have a lot of fun together even when we do mudane things. i'm thankful that i found him. i love him entirely.

the moral of the story:
if you meet a chick that seems to be going off a list of criteria - simply remind yourself that she is lost. she doesn't know who she is yet. she doesn't know what she wants yet.
you don't want to end up with someone who isn't whole anyways. you are looking for someone who has a foundation and you are not looking for a broken barbie sitting on a shelf.
pass up those feelings of rejection, because they are not about you.
she is trying to "qualify" men she meets just as you do the same to the women you meet.

 

[BadNews]

the moral of the story:
if you meet a chick that seems to be going off a list of criteria - simply remind yourself that she is lost. she doesn't know who she is yet. she doesn't know what she wants yet.
you don't want to end up with someone who isn't whole anyways. you are looking for someone who has a foundation and you are not looking for a broken barbie sitting on a shelf.
pass up those feelings of rejection, because they are not about you.
she is trying to "qualify" men she meets just as you do the same to the women you meet.

Well said.

 

[TIC]

Weirdly, there are actually more women than men in the world. A lot of guys are busy shooting each other in the desert.

I hear this said a lot but does it manifest in real life? Hell no. Go to any bar and its a sausage fest. Same with clubs. You'd be very very very lucky to have something close to a 1:1 ratio at these places. Most times, the numbers favor women. (In addition to the courts,laws, feminism, etc)

If you people want to sit here and delude yourselves into thinking that men somehow have the upper hand, fine. But deep down you know whatsup. You know that as a man you are starting from a losing position. There are more lonely single men than ever before in recorded history. The epidemic of lonely men is alive and well, and no one cares.

The media doesn't care, and men themselves like the ones on this site can give no solutions other than the steriod tough guy "man up and get over it". If men can't even band together to do something about it then no wonder women have such a upper hand on seemingly EVERYTHING.

You might say, well wait till she gets 35 yrs old then no guy will want her and men will win out in the end. If you manage to become part of the 6% of men that make over 100 k/year, sure. But let me tell you something. From what I've heard its just as hard for older men and women are still like this in their 40's. The only break you'll get is if she has a few kids. Maybe then you'd be somewhat in a position of power because she needs a provider. But who wants to do that? Only a fool would raise some other man's kids. My best friend is in the process of falling into this trap as we speak. And he's a fool

How they treat women in the middle east is closer to the truth and I have nothing but respect for those arabs. They KNOW how to treat women. The KNOW what will happen to society if women are allowed complete freedom.

It makes me wonder...why would nature make women the gatekeepers when they are so illogical and emotionally unstable 80% of the time? Seems stupid to me. I think there's a glitch in the way humans operate. Middle eastern men are smarter and realized this, that's why they don't have to put up with what we do.

If someone doesn't like my point of view they can go to hell. That's my opinion deal with it, internet macho-men

 

[Atom Smasher]

The mass media has entirely corrupted women's self-image, which is initially gained from outside sources anyway, making them extremely vulnerable to that influence. "The perfect storm", if you will.

Women by nature struggle with insecurity, and TV, magazines, and Hollywood have hit on the formula to pump them up with ridiculous ideas of superiority.

I always chuckle to myself when I hear women on TV say "I'm a strong, confident woman". Methinks thou protest too much... When you have to say that, you are actually a frightened little girl. They are fed the lie, in absolutely massive quantities, that they posess male characteristics and strengths. Therefore they walk around with an incredibly arrogant, delusional air.

I'm convinced that we are witnessing an entire gender going stark raving mad with delusion. Women have been sold the lie that they can do and be anything and everything a man can do and be, and they feel the pressure to be that, and also to be a woman. This is a social contrivance that is entirely against nature. They scream out the rally cry that men treat them as sex objects, that they don't want to be valued for the physical, all the while running around half naked with a face that is painted on. But of course, we appreciate them for their "minds".

All men know (but are deathly afraid to admit publically) that most women are emotionally driven, unstable and delusional. I'm telling you...these days, I'm just not meeting ANY stable women at all. Zero. As I said, I believe this is because they are fed these lies from the media. They are told that it is shameful to be a decent woman who is devoted to her man.

We are struggling with the opposite sex, men, like never before in history. The problem lies not with us, but with the absurd expectations of women, even the fatties. The proliferation of mass media has been steadily eroding the minds of both men and women since the 60s, and believe me when I say that except for a few exceptions here, most of you younger guys are the product of an extremely femminine educational and societal system.

We are here on this site because the natural order has been turned upside-down, and in many cases we are erroneously blaming ourselves, myself included.

How many times in my life have I asked, "What is wrong with me?" Certainly I have flaws and baggage from the past like any other man, but we need to understand that there is less wrong with us than we think. All through history men and women have gotten together just fine, and here we find ourselves dealing with this incomprehensible issue of trying to figure out what is supposed to be as natural as it is for the birds and the bees.

Some may label me a misogynist, but I believe that only by stepping outside of the system can we analyze it, identify it for what it truly is, and then take action to normalize it.

I can't tell you how much I hate the battle cry, "Misogynist! The system is what it is, and we need to adjust to it. It has always been this way!"

You guys know that I maintain that it certainly has not always been this way, that younger guys who were brought up and educated in this femminized society literally, I mean LITERALLY don't have a clue that society used to be so vastly different that they would be shocked to go back in time and experience it. Respect from women? It used to happen, boys, without our having to play games and create these ridiculous techniques. I was there. I know.

Some of you are saying to yourselves, "What's the use of complaining about how things are now compared to how it used to be?"

The answer is that it's critically important. Like I said above, it is essential to step outside of a system in order to understand it and in order to contextualize it with history. Only then can we effect change.

You may think that there is nothing you can do from within this vast, all-encompassing system, but you are wrong. Discussion and education starts with YOU. We need to stand up as men, call women on their bullsh!t, write articles, use the web, and educate the world. We need to open their sleepy eyes to the incalculable damage that the damage the media has done to human relations.

The tide WILL turn, though it will never fully normalize. I believe that soon a generation of women will arise who are aware of what I'm talking about here and collectivelly turn their back on their (usually divorced) parents' paradigms. Women will want to embrace their natural proclivities again, and will reject the idea of pretending to perform as both a man and a woman, which can only breed madness.

As I see it, the only way we can combat this, in a practical sense, it to become much more selective ourselves. If you're just out to bang chicks, that's one thing. You're not even interested in what I'm saying. But if you're looking for a more meaningful relationship, like many of us are, then I suggest defining a standard for yourself, and not being afraid to reject women who don't adhere to your standard. It's also very important to tell them why they don't make the grade. They need to learn that they must meet our standards. It can be done!

I can't tell you how many times I've had discussions with women, and initially their jaw drops to the floor. But every single time, they come back either in writing or in-person, telling me how they respect me for what I'm saying, and that I'm the only man they know who has the backbone to stand up and tell the truth, even things that upset their sensibilities.

It's a fine line we must walk.... between carrying a chip on our shoulders (something we need to work to avoid), and being aware and educating, even at the cost of potential rejection. The sweet spot is obtainable. The result is respect.

 

[bigneil]

Well said AtomSmasher, in particular:

We are struggling with the opposite sex, men, like never before in history. The problem lies not with us, but with the absurd expectations of women, even the fatties. The proliferation of mass media has been steadily eroding the minds of both men and women since the 60s, and believe me when I say that except for a few exceptions here, most of you younger guys are the product of an extremely femminine educational and societal system.

This is essentially what I was saying in #133 in this post, (while thinking everyone would say I was crazy).

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=178085&page=7

 

[initiatorhater06]

i guess it's all supply and demand

 

[Alle_Gory]

yeah but if a girl is hot then all you want to do is **** her. nothing else. girls have to have a lot more in order to get and KEEP the guy they want.

^ What this guy said. No one wants a boring ass girlfriend. If she's hot, keep her around for the body a little bit until you can't stand her.

Women choose unless you have high qualities about you (money, status, etc.) at which point YOU choose. This game has always been rigged in the women's favor.

That's BULL****. The game was never rigged. You want to know why it's stacked in their favor? Because that's all they do.

Shoes and fashion are to make women look good and attract men. Women's magazines give tips to make women look good and attract me. Jobs, women make money so they can support their lifestyle habits like drinking and clubbing so they can go and attract men, or fancy diets and weird ass soaps and cleaners so they can look good and attract men... etc.

They're simply better at it because they spend the time and effort.

 

[Craig Reeves]

But since the market is butchered, she thinks she only deserves 9s and 10s because her legion of stupid, ugly, ****less orbiters tell her she's a princess (On Facesuck, obviously.The root of all evil), hoping they may get lucky someday.

lol. Man I can't STAND IT when some hot girl puts a sexy pic of herself up and a whole legion of dudes tell her how "beautiful" she is....and then she puts up more and more and more and they keep coming back and telling her how hot she is. Ugh....

 

[mahoney]

Seriously, it's easier for a girl to be hot than it is for a guy to be confident and talk right

eh not really. a non-hot girl is kinda stuck with how she looks. confidence and talking right can be learned.

you should want to be a better person anyway (not for hot girls but for yourself).

i mean - this is kind of the problem, dudes focus on 20% of girls and moan about how easy they have it and kinda totally ignore the other 80% then complain when girls do the same

difference is, its easier for a dude to move from the 80 to the 20 than it is for a girl to do the same. stopping being lame and boring is a good start. girl can't get herself a new face quite so easily as you can learn to be a bit more exciting