Why do guys say don't be nice..

[AJ84]

Their "niceness" often manifests itself as a way to manipulate women into having sex with them and isnt them genuinely being nice.

There is nothing wrong with being nice with no expectations in return and not being a doormat for a woman. Be nice because you want to be, not because you want to get laid.

Yes, I think that goes both ways. Women or men who act nice to get something in return then feel entitled because they were 'so nice.' When they don't get what they feel they deserve they can turn on you.
I think for women it can be seen as, "I slept with you, so you should buy me an expensive dinner". For men it can be, "I bought you an expensive dinner, so you should sleep with me."

 

[BeExcellent]

Because from my experience when you get good quality women they only reciprocate your generosity

And I'm similar, honestly, with similar results. I think what is important is your inner mental state.

Girls don't want a pr1ck.

There is nothing wrong with being nice. There is nothing wrong with being a gentleman. There is nothing wrong with being generous. So long as you do so from a place of autonomy and choice. When you are these things without being contrived you'll find you attract these types of women into your life in return.

Good women will be graciously accepting and will reciprocate and spoil you as well.

The giver gets pleasure from giving. You just have to understand who it is you are showering with your generosity. Don't give to a taker. Give to other givers and you'll really like the outcomes.

 

[Julian]

I'm extremely nice to my plates.
I spend good money to show them a good time.
Drinks, nice dinners..

One plate i hated her hair, so i got with a stylist and got her a makeover..
I call and check on them not just for sex just to see how they are.. Etc etc

I try to go on really nice dates.. Front row seats at baseball games
Concerts etc etc

Rarely have a problem. No disrespect. They generally come whenever I call and f*ck and s*ck me .. Took a plate out for drinks she gave me head in the bar bathroom..

They buy me surprises .. Pajamas, bed sheets, food, clothes ..

Should we stop telling guys to not be nice?
Because from my experience when you get good quality women they only reciprocate your generosity..

Also I'm not nice to make them like me.. Its honestly who I am. I'm just not a mean person.
I treat my guy friends to stuff as well..

Try my way.. Be genuinely nice to women without being needy and see what happens..

You are giving simp behavior and being a sugar daddy. I will only take out a LTR GIRLFRIEND to dinner and pay. If yshes a plate, then im only slangin d1ck to that chick point blank. she can take ME out, an pay for MY drinks and show me generocity. we are in the new era of game and these hoes need to realize what equality means.

 

[BeExcellent]

I will only take out a LTR GIRLFRIEND to dinner and pay. If yshes a plate, then im only slangin d1ck to that chick point blank. she can take ME out, an pay for MY drinks and show me generocity.

And truthfully herein lies the difference between those who go out with hoes and those who go out with ladies. Ladies are not going to put up with this sort of attitude. Hoes will.

 

[Julian]

And truthfully herein lies the difference between those who go out with hoes and those who go out with ladies. Ladies are not going to put up with this sort of attitude. Hoes will.

you need to know your place and keep quiet until spoken to, otherwise dont quote me period.

 

[sosousage]

you need to know your place and keep quiet until spoken to, otherwise dont quote me period.

here we have gentleman! you probably let women go through door first

 

[cola]

There is nothing wrong with being nice. There is nothing wrong with being a gentleman. There is nothing wrong with being generous. So long as you do so from a place of autonomy and choice. When you are these things without being contrived you'll find you attract these types of women into your life in return.

Good women will be graciously accepting and will reciprocate and spoil you as well.

The giver gets pleasure from giving. You just have to understand who it is you are showering with your generosity. Don't give to a taker. Give to other givers and you'll really like the outcomes.

Thank you. You always sum up my thoughts in a more eloquent way.

 

[cola]

You are giving simp behavior and being a sugar daddy. I will only take out a LTR GIRLFRIEND to dinner and pay. If yshes a plate, then im only slangin d1ck to that chick point blank. she can take ME out, an pay for MY drinks and show me generocity. we are in the new era of game and these hoes need to realize what equality means.

I think you're just broke in real life..
There Is nothing sugar daddyish about paying for you both to have fun.

You are doing new memebers a disservice by teaching them how to be f*ckboys and inviting girls over to Netflix and chill on first dates..

 

[Julian]

I think you're just broke in real life..
There Is nothing sugar daddyish about paying for you both to have fun.

You are doing new memebers a disservice by teaching them how to be f*ckboys and inviting girls over to Netflix and chill on first dates..

Lol these chicks use men exclusively for free meals. Thats a fact dude.

 

[cola]

Lol these chicks use men exclusively for free meals. Thats a fact dude.

No doubt .. But you gotta learn to discern interest levels..

 

[Julian]

No doubt .. But you gotta learn to discern interest levels..

These are females im smashing. Women im talking to, female friends...chicks i fuk with... my subordinates etc. I hear these chicks gossip an laugh about dudes taking them out to expensive dinners, and making dudes wait 3-4 dates before even they get a kiss...they do this to keep these dudes in orbit. Im a different breed, with me they know what time it is. Im slangin that d1ck and if they hungry i give em some nut. thats just a fact...dont need to do all the dating an paying. they come thru or i go to their spot. then they go on a dinner date with some other dude.

 

[That_dude]

Lol these chicks use men exclusively for free meals. Thats a fact dude.

I knew a chick who did that. You’d just be starting the meal and she be asking for a doggy bag Probably the biggest mooch and user I’ve known. There are def a few out there

When you’re too nice.. You can can reverse roles and come off like a broad sometimes. A lot of women want a man who acts like a man. Plain and simple. Chivalry doesn’t always work out like the flicks. You’ll have to find the right balance

 

[zekko]

I hate the whole "Nice Guy" stereotype because it has nothing to do with being nice at all. The Nice Guy in PUA world is really a jerk and the jerk in PUA world is really the swellest guy on the planet. This makes newbies think that the key to attracting women is to treat everybody like dogsh!t, when nothing could be further from the truth.

I've always considered being "nice" as a neutral trait. It's a positive trait to have, to be friendly and respectful of others (just don't be a doormat). But it has little to do with attraction. If you're an attractive guy, she will be attracted. If you're not, she won't. I see being "nice" as part of the filter stage, if it comes up at all. If it's something she is concerned about, it will come up after the attraction phase.

 

[btownbuck2012]

What your describing is women respecting you and seeing you as higher value than they are. It has nothing to do with you being nice.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

I'm extremely nice to my plates.
I spend good money to show them a good time.
Drinks, nice dinners..

One plate i hated her hair, so i got with a stylist and got her a makeover..
I call and check on them not just for sex just to see how they are.. Etc etc

I try to go on really nice dates.. Front row seats at baseball games
Concerts etc etc

Rarely have a problem. No disrespect. They generally come whenever I call and f*ck and s*ck me .. Took a plate out for drinks she gave me head in the bar bathroom..

They buy me surprises .. Pajamas, bed sheets, food, clothes ..

Should we stop telling guys to not be nice?
Because from my experience when you get good quality women they only reciprocate your generosity..

Also I'm not nice to make them like me.. Its honestly who I am. I'm just not a mean person.
I treat my guy friends to stuff as well..

Try my way.. Be genuinely nice to women without being needy and see what happens..

I think you are just being your own 'authentic' self, which has to be the optimal way. Some guys try to be nice, some guys try to be mean... both ways are try-hard, which a woman of quality will pick up on.

 

[derby1]

Julian you talk **** you sound like an upset school kid who hates women, you have the total opposite amount of women at your disposal than you say and we can tell by the tone of your posts

 

[sosousage]

Julian you talk **** you sound like an upset school kid who hates women, you have the total opposite amount of women at your disposal than you say and we can tell by the tone of your posts

no @Julian is right. At first I thought hes demonised and satanised as hes into that 666 stuff (which he admitted) but he's right about not buying stuff for random women, or doing it wisely during LTR

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

There's a difference between treating someone with care and respect because you truly value them, and being 'nice' to a girl, thinking it will get you laid. Most 'nice guys' are not nice, by very essence of covertly trying to get laid. If there's once thing I've realised over the last couple of years, women really respect a guy who is overtly sexual and honest about his intentions

There's also the game-aware guy who can shower a woman with gifts and affection, but has the self respect not to put up with her sh!t; and there's the other guy who is naive, sickly sweet all the time, offers no banter nor challenge, his woman gets bored, complacent and he ends up as a doormat.

Hazard to say, most guys here were probably the naive doormat once upon a time.

Being nice to women is multi-dimensional in this way, and I would agree that telling guys 'not to be nice' is too simplistic. If there was a way to summarise, it would probably be that authenticity and self-respect is better than naively acting under false pretenses.

.....it's a bit like the old adage 'don't just be yourself'. Sure, this is great advice; for feckless a$$holes. But again an authentic, charismatic, self respecting guy can't help but be himself, and so he should.

 

[Desdinova]

I think it’s all in the mindset too, but something kinda shook my off a little. I recall a long time ago, Desdinova said how he has to be meaner than he genuinely is towards women or else they will think of him as the cliche nice guy and won’t be attracted. Not sure if things have changed since then, would have to ask. Thoughts @Desdinova ?

I've played around with being mean in the past. Too much too early doesn't work. A small amount here and there works quite nicely. But yes, I've put effort into being mean.

 

[That_dude]

I’m not an expert on the subject by any means. I wouldn’t try to be mean.. Just don’t become anyone’s doormat. Like many guys here, I’ve made the mistake of being too nice.. It’s just in my nature. My motive for being nice was never to get laid. Contrary to the stereotypes