Why do Americans still marry American women?

[Obsidian]

I think if you search hard, choose very wisely, and get a secure prenup, you'll have the best chance of success just staying in America. There's no need to search the world over; just refuse to put up with the social and legal bullsh1t.

 

[Ken785]

I think if you search hard, choose very wisely, and get a secure prenup, you'll have the best chance of success just staying in America. There's no need to search the world over; just refuse to put up with the social and legal bullsh1t.

I heard even with an airtight prenup the courts still side by the woman...which is bullsh!t. they can rob you for everything during the divorce and you cant do anything about it...don't believe me? ask any divorced guy. equal rights my as$.

 

[AgonyUncle]

Not to mention the amount fo money and time you spend dating a gazzilion woman trying to find one that is just normal

 

[Obsidian]

I heard even with an airtight prenup the courts still side by the woman

I don't think that's true. It's just that a prenup is a contract, and there are certain contracts that courts will not enforce, usually because they're not drawn up properly. For example, you need to 1) write it down on paper, 2) advise the girl to seek legal counsel, 3) make sure it's fair to both parties, etc.

i'm pretty sure you can appeal it if a court just throws the prenup out arbitrarily. Trial judges f*ck up all the time, but appellate courts usually have their act together.

 

[bigjohnson]

I heard even with an airtight prenup the courts still side by the woman...

When creating a prenup you need a lawyer, and that lawyer will strongly recommend SHE also has a lawyer. The terms must be fair (legally) and once that is done siding with one party or other becomes a lot less a factor.

A friend of mine had a POST nup (she left, wanted back and it was one of his stipulations) and that thing turned out to be airtight.

 

[RedPill]

Men's fears of being alone, or becoming old and undesirable to women drive them into a marriage-as-goal mentality.

They'll take whoever they can get, whoever is convenient with no regard for the consequences of that choice.

 

[Nip/Tuck]

I don't think that's true. It's just that a prenup is a contract, and there are certain contracts that courts will not enforce, usually because they're not drawn up properly. For example, you need to 1) write it down on paper, 2) advise the girl to seek legal counsel, 3) make sure it's fair to both parties, etc.

i'm pretty sure you can appeal it if a court just throws the prenup out arbitrarily. Trial judges f*ck up all the time, but appellate courts usually have their act together.

You didn't know? The judge as the right to throw out prenups. If the women claimed they were emotionally or physically "abused" you can get jail time. I should have added why American men still marry American women in AMERICA! When the court system is so biased.

The Divorce Industry

Recently I just finished reading a book called The Professional Bachelor by Brett Tate. It will be too much work for me to type up the whole entire book. In chapter 8 called “It’s all about the money”, there is a half page section call The Divorce Industry which I thought was worth posting here for all too see.

There were 1,182,000 divorces in the year 2001. The US Census lists married-couple households having a median net worth in 2000 of $91,218. Women confiscate roughly half of the family’s current marital assets, regardless of how menial their contribution is. So, are you sitting down? Each year, the Divorce Industry enforces an annual transfer of wealth from men to women of approximately:

$45 Billion Dollars a Year

Government census figures show an annual child support payments women receive from men is roughly $3 Billion dollars. Throw in up to 25% of your income in alimony payments for a number of years, half your retirement account and life insurance policies, and your looking at the most profitable industry in the United States.

The lawyers who helped propagate the racket are quietly kicking some major ass as well. The average litigated divorce can easily cost as much as $20-40,000 for both parties combined. Oh, and Husband has the pleasure of paying for her divorce attorney to boot. How thoughtful of you, honey! Fighting for custody in Court can bleed you dry as well, to the tune of at $15,000-$30,000. With 1.1 million divorces a year a year, the lawyers are easily pulling in a cool $20-30 Billion Dollars a year. This brings the grand total of this behemoth industry to close to an annual $70-100 Billion dollars. The Divorce industry is little more than a socialist redistribution scheme, confiscating male assets and rewarding women.

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http://outcastsuperstar.blogspot.com/2007_03_01_archive.html

 

[bigjohnson]

You didn't know? The judge as the right to throw out prenups.

Please cite a reliable source for this, preferably a lawyer or legal document. I know of several first hand experiences where this was not the case.

 

[squirrels]

If you marry an "independent" American woman, she should have her own job. If she's not making her OWN money to contribute to the household (even if it's less than yours, it's still money) and she's not handling "wifey" tasks like homemaking, cooking, cleaning, etc, she's really not marriage material, no matter WHAT country she's from.

The reason American marriages don't work out isn't because all American women are crazy. It's because American men either don't KNOW or don't CARE how to distinguish the good ones from the bad ones and just slip a ring around the finger of whatever has the biggest t!tt!es.

 

[Master Bates]

Marriages are failing for a few reasons I think: the family structure that marriages were once built around is now crumbling; people the past few decades have been marrying for "love" instead of stability and family, and love is just a much weaker foundation; and to top it off, women these days are crazy, don't know what they want, and have a sense of entitlement that doesn't mix well with marriage.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Marriages are failing for a few reasons I think: the family structure that marriages were once built around is now crumbling; people the past few decades have been marrying for "love" instead of stability and family, and love is just a much weaker foundation; and to top it off, women these days are crazy, don't know what they want, and have a sense of entitlement that doesn't mix well with marriage.

I don't think it's love at all or perhaps "a whole lotta like" at best. I believe if the passion was truly there, couple would put more effort into sustaining the relationship by doing things to keep it healthy instead of neglecting it.

Marriage as it is enacted nowadays is all about future (financial) stability at best. People get married in order to qualify for a mortgage, they have families for tax write offs, the combine health insurance, they are accepted by communities of other married couples. If they're lucky they have intense, positive feelings for one another. If it were truly love that was paramount they'd be able to endure up ups and downs of a relationship and still make things work.

 

[Obsidian]

Yeah, because if a woman loves you at one point, she'll love you forever, right Francisco?

And yes, I'm aware that a judge might not enforce a contract. But as I said, you can appeal a divorce settlement. Just because a trial judge does something stupid doesn't make it final

 

[Nip/Tuck]

Please cite a reliable source for this, preferably a lawyer or legal document. I know of several first hand experiences where this was not the case.

Never been involved with divorce, so I'm sorry but I don't have any documents. I think it's illegal for having legal documents online anyways, so you should ask a lawyer friend of yours. How about you show some "evidence?" If you are at "fault" the prenup can and will be thrown out by state laws. I was tying that to how women can claim physical and verbal abuse, which will make it the husband's fault. Ex. New York State laws

New York can have all sorts of consequences, such as voiding the prenuptial agreement or paying an amount beyond the prenuptial agreement that makes for a “fair and equitable” distribution. Additionally, moving into a community-property state (Arizona, California, Idaho, Louisiana, Nevada, New Mexico, Texas, Washington, or Wisconsin) can have some favorable financial implications, but can also open the floodgates to a 50/50 split issue, even with a valid prenuptial agreement on file.

http://www.askmen.com/fine_living/investing/19b_investing.html

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Yeah, because if a woman loves you at one point, she'll love you forever, right Francisco?

There's no necessity to get married any more in order to achieve "forever" because the concept of forever seems to be a pipe dream. The legalities of marriage has made it a riskier proposition than even investing in the stock market.

And for those of you who believe that it's only men who are at risk, I know of two women whose husbands have taken them to the cleaners during the marriage and have left them in dire financial straights (close to six figure debt in addition to a mortgage). They aren't even wealthy, they're your everyday 9 to 5'ers who husbands screwed up their finances and since the debt was created by him but under shared accounts. Lessons can be learned by everyone.

 

[bigjohnson]

... I'm sorry but I don't have any documents. ....

Many states (Oregon for one) are completely no fault. Not "no one needs to be at fault to get a divorce", but "the concept of fault doesn't matter in a dissolution of marriage proceeding". Also it's not illegal to have legal documents available electronically (where did THAT come from?) and what I was looking for was articles by legal scholars or lawyers rather than urban legend.

 

[Obsidian]

i've personally looked at a divorce case that went all the way to the California Supreme Court so I know it's possible to appeal bogus rulings

 

[Nip/Tuck]

Many states (Oregon for one) are completely no fault. Not "no one needs to be at fault to get a divorce", but "the concept of fault doesn't matter in a dissolution of marriage proceeding". Also it's not illegal to have legal documents available electronically (where did THAT come from?) and what I was looking for was articles by legal scholars or lawyers rather than urban legend.

Why on earth would lawyers and "legal scholars" post something that would potentially harm their income? Read my other post, marriage and divorce are very profitable to them. You have to be a complete idiot to provide evidence against yourself.

 

[bigjohnson]

Why on earth would lawyers and "legal scholars" post something that would potentially harm their income? Read my other post, marriage and divorce are very profitable to them. You have to be a complete idiot to provide evidence against yourself.

Calling BS on that one, it's an adversarial system and ONE SIDE is gonna be in favor of keeping the prenup in place. If you have no credible evidence just say so.

 

[Lord Shinra]

I absolutely abhor the whole marriage institution as its become.
I say it should all be contract based like in sports.

*LS and Girl A sign a 5 year contract. After 5 years, if I'm not happy, I'm filing for free agency.*

 

[SayWord?]

dont get married in america
the women will get 'americanized'

then one day you piss her off,
she'll say "half!"