Why can't I get laid?

[smith]

Am I trying too hard?

Is it really all about luck?

For almost two years now I have been following the suggestions, tips, and guides found here and at other forums. And for as long I have been applying these ideals to my life. And for as long, I have had zero panties drop for me.

I've got decent game. I talk to people everywhere I go. Game women in class, c/f, kino, etc. And they seem to really dig it. But when it comes down to get togethers they are either busy or have boyfriends.

I think I am a decent looking guy. I am 5ft 8, around 150 lbs, decent build, athletic. I have always been told I was hot or handsome by women but I certainly do not feel this way personally. I get looks, smiles, eye contact everywhere I go. Even if I am not attractive, ugly people still get laid right? I have tried the ugly chicks and even they do not want a date with me!

I was never without a girlfriend until around 20 when all of the sudden POOF, I am suddenly dead to the female population for the past 4 years. I have been on one date in the past 4 years and it was a total disaster.

I am seriously freaking ouy here because I have never had sex because I wanted to wait with my last girlfriend but things went to ****. But I guess I was a late bloomer and now that my hormones have kicked in it has become an obsession for me and is all I ever seem to think about. Could this be what is holding me back? I mean, I have learned to control my desperation to the point that it is not noticable. Can women sense if you have never had sex before?

I feel like a total loser. Help bros!

I mean, is pua this stuff really applicable? I have applied multiple skills and understand the material to the point that I have my own material. But it just doesn't seem to transfer to anything other than a few laughs or a little bit of kino.

Is it only applicable to drunk horny chicks at clubs maybe. That is the one thing I have not tried because all my bros have girlfriends and careers and don't go to clubs and I feel kind of lame going to a club all by myself.

 

[ev3nst3v3n]

yea that sucks that none of your friends go to bars or clubs. i see that right there as one of your major roadblocks to panty droppage. going by yourself sucks, and also girls will think you're weird if you go to a bar or club by yourself. it's one thing if you're going to a spot where you know all kinds of people, but if that's not the case, going out drinking alone is sketchball.

try to find some people to go out chasing skirts with. i think if you put in the effort, just by the numbers if you get yourself out there into spots with horny drunk girls, you will eventually find a girl who's down. if you have no friends/prospects, hit up craigslist or something and try to find dudes your age who are down to go chasing skirts on friday and saturday night and let the adventures begin. 24 is old for a virgin, yet you still are very young and have plenty of time to get off the track you're currently on. good luck.

 

[Q-Pid]

I watched a film called "40 year old Virgin" the other day - in it was a very important line:

"Stop putting the pvssy on a pedastal"

That is all.

 

[flexion_]

Tell us some real life examples of some of your approaches from meeting to asking them out on a date and we'll be able to tell you whats up.

No idea at this point what the problem is accept from the insecurity thingy.

 

[Jack_Vallick]

"Why can't I get laid?"

Because you're asking WHY you CAN'T get laid and not HOW you CAN.

I hate to be overly simplistic, but this is really telling of your mental attitude right there. Instead of dwelling on why you can't do something, you should be trying to figure out how you can make it possible. Or, what stands in your way.

There's more to it, but this is a start. Lose that simp attitude.

 

[Wyldfire]

I'd almost bet that you are struggling to get dates because you're being too "tentative" when you ask someone out.

When you ask a woman out do you say "Would you like to get together sometime?" or something similar or do you have a specific plan in mind and say something like "The bowling alley has rent one get one free shoes tomorrow night. I only have one set of feet but am a sucker for a freebie. Join me for an evening of bad bowling and good conversation?"

How you ask someone out can have a huge impact on your success rate.

As for the virginity issue...find yourself an older woman. During the date, if there seems to be good chemistry just tell her you're still a virgin. There's a good chance she'll be more than happy to break you in.

 

[Spirit Fingers]

It's because you think you can make a change in your life by reading **** off the internet, and applying it when it's not to hard.

In order to make a drastic change in your life you have to put in a drastic amount of effort.

Meet up with your local lair, and start doing at least 20 approaches per week. If you don't do that, you will never be a PUA.

-Dan

 

[griffon65]

Well until you tell us details on how you approach I cant tell you whats wrong. But I will tell you that it can be luck, I've had some disatorious things happen that ruined my chances with a girl. Cases where I did everything right, she did everything right and we were totally attracted to each other ruined by luck. I dunno if thats yor case but its certainly possible.

 

[Inquire]

do one night stands and forget ur standards, but dont do ugly chicks.

 

[englishcrap]

Sort out your inner game dude

 

[smith]

Originally posted by flexion_
Tell us some real life examples of some of your approaches from meeting to asking them out on a date and we'll be able to tell you whats up.

No idea at this point what the problem is accept from the insecurity thingy.

OK.

BREATH...

I appologize for the disjointed rantings of my prior post. It's just that my inner game still has quite a ways to go and this often leads to much frustration. I have really good days where I am on top of the world, but other days I feel like ****.

It's all so frustrating because I used to be a complete natural whe it came to gaming women. I had the ladies all over my jock in my teens but I was on such a trip and thought I should wait to have sex I missed out on a ton of opportunities. My last girl was like one of the finest girls at my high school, only dated rich preps. I gamed her and had her blowing up my cell the next day begging for a get together and when I had the time we got together and she wanted sex but I said no I wanted to wait and that was pretty much the last sex offer I have had from a girl I would consider sleeping with. She left me soon after.

I suuffered depression and chemical dependency with prescription drugs for a few years after that and it totally diminished my game. I feel as though I am reaping what I have sown because I haven't done much in my life to make me feel like I have done anything or accaomplished anything to be proud of, and to make me feel good about myself and love myself as a person. So that is basically where I am at right now.

I guess it seems as though everyone around me is fvcking like rabbits and I feel like I am missing something, and I feel inadequate. And so I start hating on myself.

I guess I am just going to have to stop placing emphaiss on the ***** and just forget about it. I guess improving game is about improving your life and how you percieve yoursefl as opposed to learning parlor tricks and trying to get laid. One day.

As for examples there are quite a few and in some I know where I went wrong but in others I have no clue. I tend to take things a little too personal and feel it's something I did when it could be that the girl is having problems of her own at the time.

Here is an one example.

It's been a while so I dont remember too many details.

A while back there was a really cute chick working at the school writing lab.

-I tend to not go out looking for girls to approach as I feel more comfortable simply putting myself into as many different situations as is possible so that I still live my life but with a greater chance to bump into women.

So I had been going to the lab for some time but never had the balls to approach. One day she is sitting there reading a book and I make a comment on the book. The book was Dune. My sister had read the book and told me about it so I knew what happened so I proceeded to spoil bits and pieces of it for her. She responded in a "GET OUT" sort of way.

So the topic takes a turn and I get up and go take a seat at the table she is sitting at to talk with her. We get on the subject of independent films and it turns out that she is one of those artsy types. So right when everything is going well there is a slight pause, I get up very indifferently and go back to my table to sit down. I wanted to see if she was interested and what her eaction should be.

Out of the corner of my eye I see her start to get quite agitated. She begins to figit and move about in her seat all the while watching what I am doing. Only around ten or twenty seconds had elapsed from the time I got up and left to the time she asked, "So what do you do?"

I say, "Me, I do everything."

-this is were I feel I made a fatal flaw

Then I said, " No, Im only joking, I plan to get my doctorate in Anthropology and travle the world studying indeginous cultures in their native habitats." " And I also like to exercise and blah blah blah..."

I felt as though a facet had been opened. Is as if I **** on this girl my entire life story. It was uncontrollable.

Almost immediatley she withdrew in disgust. Going form interested to bored and disinterested.

She said, "oh" and then wne to pack up her things.

I packed up mine and asked her for her number. Shekind of looked at me and smiled with a "why?" look about her. I said, "you seem like and interesting girl, someone I might like to hang out with sometime"

So she gave me the number and said, "good luck fitting into my schedule"

-She worked three jobs and went to school full time.

I replied "good luck fitting into mine"

So I called a few days later and suggested we get together for coffee. She seemed hesitant and wanted a reason so I told her we could just get together for a little bit and if we didn't like each other then fine, we could always just be friends. She said we should just continue to talk in the lab and see what happened from there. That was like a week before the end of the semester and I never made it back to the lab. The next semester she no longer worked there so that was that.



Here lately I have moved in to a more ****y funny type of game than I am traditionally used to.

i feel attitude and image is more important than what is necessarily said in an approach.

me: hey maybe you can help me with something.
her: ?
me: -pointing down at her flip flops- "the sales lady is letting me take a pair of those out for a spin, you know to test drive them before I commit to anything" " the only thing is I cant' for the life of me seem to flip anywhere without flopping all over the place"
her: smiles
me: everywhere I go old ladies are yelling SLOW DOWN, old men are chasing me around placing bets on my feet, i get NO respect
me: any tips?
and take it from there

is just one example of something I MIGHT use in the field. I never stick to canned lines or scripts because I have a nack for natural conversation.

another example:

this girl in my science class i walked in the first day was all eyes on me. now, this girl is a fvcking bombshell. classy, clean, cardio bunny, easily playboy material. so I play it cool and act disinterested but I wasn't really acting because I wasn't really interested at that point - just looked like grade a talent from where i was sittin.

so i get my hair cut and go in and she is smiling at me and starts commenting on my hair teeling me how it looks different. she asks the milf what she thought and the three of us proceed with light conversation, i bust a little c/f but then cut it short and go to talk to this cute black girl who sits right next to me.

so after class i ask the bombshell what she though of the class and ask her if she has a study partner yet. she says no and I suggest that we get together and study sometime and she says, yeah, you wanna get together and STUDY sometime? and she emphasised the study part and winked and kino my shoulder with hers. I got her number and she aks me what i am doing later that day, i tell her i am done with school but don't get into specifics.

so the next class she is not there so after i call her and dont get her and dont leave a message. i get a text around twenty minutes later asking who it is and i tell her. we exchange a couple of texts and i tell her to pick up the phone and call me. she says she will later.

so later shes calls me and we chat for a minute or two and i ask her what she was up to later, and she says school until 8 and so i ask about the next day and she says working. so i tell her i will talk to her later.

the next time i see her she seems disinterested and distant and almost resentful towards me. no eye contact and doesnt' seem to want to talk to me.

i havent spoke to her since.

 

[smith]

cont...

one more example:

so i decide to start game on this other girl in the same class i have a lab with. we hit it off and even another bro joins in on the conversation and he is a c/f type guy and so i start busting on the teacher and we are al sitting aroun laughing and having a good time.

the next day i walk into the class section of the course and she looks and me with a big smile and says "HEY" realy loud. I reciprocated the hey and took my seat andf immediately started chatting up the black girl who sits beside me.

-i like to chat up with everyone because i generally like people and like to think of myself as a friendly and charming guy. and i run game on all girls even and especially if i have no interest in them because i am always looking to practice.

so afterwards i notice i am getting some really heavy ec from this smokin indian chick who sits in my class. i am guessing this is because of all the social proof i am displaying with all of the girls i am chatting up in class. so there is another potential

so i havent seen the girl in a little over a week until tonight we had another lab. so everyone is sitting around waiting to get into class and i roll up aand start chatting. i ask her how she did on her test and she tells me and then looks through her purse and pulls out her cell phone to look at it and i say, "got a hot date?" she smiles and say no that she is checking the time cause she is tried and ready to crawl into her nice warm bed. i say, "hey, that sounds like a hot date to me" she laughs and we chatt a little more and then i leave to go and get a drink and come back and we go into class. she finished ealry and left before me so i havent talked to her since.

now, this girl is really cute and even quite sexy in the face. a strong 7 and maybe even an 8 but only because she has a little bit of a ghetto booty, but i always rate lower than a lot of guys i know. total sweetheart and girl next door type. she works with children so thats cool i guess but the thing is she says she has been failing all her classes for the past three years because she sleeps in too late and yada yada. so i ma not sure if i want to devote my time to this girl. im trying to have standards here but would sure be open to a little bit of fun.

any suggestions?


wew, i am officially out of breath

thanks to the bros who responded to my rantings.

 

[smith]

Originally posted by smith
OK.

BREATH...

I appologize for the disjointed rantings of my prior post. It's just that my inner game still has quite a ways to go and this often leads to much frustration. I have really good days where I am on top of the world, but other days I feel like ****.

It's all so frustrating because I used to be a complete natural whe it came to gaming women. I had the ladies all over my jock in my teens but I was on such a trip and thought I should wait to have sex I missed out on a ton of opportunities. My last girl was like one of the finest girls at my high school, only dated rich preps. I gamed her and had her blowing up my cell the next day begging for a get together and when I had the time we got together and she wanted sex but I said no I wanted to wait and that was pretty much the last sex offer I have had from a girl I would consider sleeping with. She left me soon after.

I suuffered depression and chemical dependency with prescription drugs for a few years after that and it totally diminished my game. I feel as though I am reaping what I have sown because I haven't done much in my life to make me feel like I have done anything or accaomplished anything to be proud of, and to make me feel good about myself and love myself as a person. So that is basically where I am at right now.

It just gets frustrating because I talk to some of my old bros who are total losers, drug addicts even, and they get laid often.

I guess it seems as though everyone around me is fvcking like rabbits and I feel like I am missing something, and I feel inadequate. And so I start hating on myself.

I guess I am just going to have to stop placing emphaiss on the ***** and just forget about it. I guess improving game is about improving your life and how you percieve yoursefl as opposed to learning parlor tricks and trying to get laid. One day.

As for examples there are quite a few and in some I know where I went wrong but in others I have no clue. I tend to take things a little too personal and feel it's something I did when it could be that the girl is having problems of her own at the time.

Here is an one example.

It's been a while so I dont remember too many details.

A while back there was a really cute chick working at the school writing lab.

-I tend to not go out looking for girls to approach as I feel more comfortable simply putting myself into as many different situations as is possible so that I still live my life but with a greater chance to bump into women.

So I had been going to the lab for some time but never had the balls to approach. One day she is sitting there reading a book and I make a comment on the book. The book was Dune. My sister had read the book and told me about it so I knew what happened so I proceeded to spoil bits and pieces of it for her. She responded in a "GET OUT" sort of way.

So the topic takes a turn and I get up and go take a seat at the table she is sitting at to talk with her. We get on the subject of independent films and it turns out that she is one of those artsy types. So right when everything is going well there is a slight pause, I get up very indifferently and go back to my table to sit down. I wanted to see if she was interested and what her eaction should be.

Out of the corner of my eye I see her start to get quite agitated. She begins to figit and move about in her seat all the while watching what I am doing. Only around ten or twenty seconds had elapsed from the time I got up and left to the time she asked, "So what do you do?"

I say, "Me, I do everything."

-this is were I feel I made a fatal flaw

Then I said, " No, Im only joking, I plan to get my doctorate in Anthropology and travle the world studying indeginous cultures in their native habitats." " And I also like to exercise and blah blah blah..."

I felt as though a facet had been opened. Is as if I **** on this girl my entire life story. It was uncontrollable.

Almost immediatley she withdrew in disgust. Going form interested to bored and disinterested.

She said, "oh" and then wne to pack up her things.

I packed up mine and asked her for her number. Shekind of looked at me and smiled with a "why?" look about her. I said, "you seem like and interesting girl, someone I might like to hang out with sometime"

So she gave me the number and said, "good luck fitting into my schedule"

-She worked three jobs and went to school full time.

I replied "good luck fitting into mine"

So I called a few days later and suggested we get together for coffee. She seemed hesitant and wanted a reason so I told her we could just get together for a little bit and if we didn't like each other then fine, we could always just be friends. She said we should just continue to talk in the lab and see what happened from there. That was like a week before the end of the semester and I never made it back to the lab. The next semester she no longer worked there so that was that.



Here lately I have moved in to a more ****y funny type of game than I am traditionally used to.

i feel attitude and image is more important than what is necessarily said in an approach.

me: hey maybe you can help me with something.
her: ?
me: -pointing down at her flip flops- "the sales lady is letting me take a pair of those out for a spin, you know to test drive them before I commit to anything" " the only thing is I cant' for the life of me seem to flip anywhere without flopping all over the place"
her: smiles
me: everywhere I go old ladies are yelling SLOW DOWN, old men are chasing me around placing bets on my feet, i get NO respect
me: any tips?
and take it from there

is just one example of something I MIGHT use in the field. I never stick to canned lines or scripts because I have a nack for natural conversation.

another example:

this girl in my science class i walked in the first day was all eyes on me. now, this girl is a fvcking bombshell. classy, clean, cardio bunny, easily playboy material. so I play it cool and act disinterested but I wasn't really acting because I wasn't really interested at that point - just looked like grade a talent from where i was sittin.

so i get my hair cut and go in and she is smiling at me and starts commenting on my hair teeling me how it looks different. she asks the milf what she thought and the three of us proceed with light conversation, i bust a little c/f but then cut it short and go to talk to this cute black girl who sits right next to me.

so after class i ask the bombshell what she though of the class and ask her if she has a study partner yet. she says no and I suggest that we get together and study sometime and she says, yeah, you wanna get together and STUDY sometime? and she emphasised the study part and winked and kino my shoulder with hers. I got her number and she aks me what i am doing later that day, i tell her i am done with school but don't get into specifics.

so the next class she is not there so after i call her and dont get her and dont leave a message. i get a text around twenty minutes later asking who it is and i tell her. we exchange a couple of texts and i tell her to pick up the phone and call me. she says she will later.

so later shes calls me and we chat for a minute or two and i ask her what she was up to later, and she says school until 8 and so i ask about the next day and she says working. so i tell her i will talk to her later.

the next time i see her she seems disinterested and distant and almost resentful towards me. no eye contact and doesnt' seem to want to talk to me.

i havent spoke to her since.

 

[smith]

could someone delet the post above i quoted. i was trying to do an edit and accidently quoted.

thanks.

 

[griffon65]

first girl: She just wasnt interested

Now the other 2 seem to be interested and your making the same mistake I used to make. Not putting in enough effort. Have you had a lot of girls in the past that just amde it easy for you? That could be a reason or it could be that you have inner anxiaty and your too afraid to take the initiative.

With girl 2 this is what you sohuld've done: Everything before the phone call was good. I wouldnt really change much from what you typed. When you called her, you shouldve left her a message to let her know it was you and to show interest because so far you have shown NO interest in this girl.

Next when she called back, the first thing you shouldve established was how busy she was at the moment. If she wasnt busy you should've talked to her for at least 20 minutes and smoothly bring up the subject of hanging ou.

You made the mistake of asking her what she was doing that day and the next, instead of asking "Whens the next day you have some free time?"

Form here she would either tell you a time or if she didnt know you should've kept talking to her on the phone and class to build a connection. And then asked her out again

Third girl: Again I see hesitation. You should've asked for her number on the last night you saw her when you talked a bit. It would've been even better if you asked on the day she said Hi really loud. So ask her number and build a connection already!!

I dont see too much worng with your style, its just that your waiting too long and girls lose interest quick because they always have guys chaseing them. Its good to make them want but not soo much that they think that your unattianable.

 

[Wyldfire]

Okay...your problem appears to be that you're not only being a bit too "tentative" (not really making a solid move), but you're acting kinda asexual, too.

That's why the initial interest is fading so fast. You're not sending off any sexual vibes. That leaves you coming across as kinda dorky and not as interested as they want you to be.

You need to learn to loosen up and be flirty and master the fine art of sexual innuendo. Study it, learn it, become prolific in it. If you act asexual with women they will treat you like you are asexual.

 

[smith]

thanks for replaying griffon and wyldfire

i will reply when i am more rested and able to give some thought to your comments.



peace

 

[rockstar88]

Originally posted by smith
Am I trying too hard?

Is it really all about luck?

For almost two years now I have been following the suggestions, tips, and guides found here and at other forums. And for as long I have been applying these ideals to my life. And for as long, I have had zero panties drop for me.

I've got decent game. I talk to people everywhere I go. Game women in class, c/f, kino, etc. And they seem to really dig it. But when it comes down to get togethers they are either busy or have boyfriends.

I think I am a decent looking guy. I am 5ft 8, around 150 lbs, decent build, athletic. I have always been told I was hot or handsome by women but I certainly do not feel this way personally. I get looks, smiles, eye contact everywhere I go. Even if I am not attractive, ugly people still get laid right? I have tried the ugly chicks and even they do not want a date with me!

I was never without a girlfriend until around 20 when all of the sudden POOF, I am suddenly dead to the female population for the past 4 years. I have been on one date in the past 4 years and it was a total disaster.

I am seriously freaking ouy here because I have never had sex because I wanted to wait with my last girlfriend but things went to ****. But I guess I was a late bloomer and now that my hormones have kicked in it has become an obsession for me and is all I ever seem to think about. Could this be what is holding me back? I mean, I have learned to control my desperation to the point that it is not noticable. Can women sense if you have never had sex before?

I feel like a total loser. Help bros!

I mean, is pua this stuff really applicable? I have applied multiple skills and understand the material to the point that I have my own material. But it just doesn't seem to transfer to anything other than a few laughs or a little bit of kino.

Is it only applicable to drunk horny chicks at clubs maybe. That is the one thing I have not tried because all my bros have girlfriends and careers and don't go to clubs and I feel kind of lame going to a club all by myself.

 

[rockstar88]

yeah i tried to quote and fucted it up too.
anyway. "girls say i am hot even tho i dont feel that way personaly. and if i am unattractive ugly people get laid too."


wheres you confidence. you aint going to get it from reading **** off a computer.

 

[Wyldfire]

You don't sound asexual with the online woman. Now if you could transfer a little bit of that to the women you talk to in person I don't think you would have as much of a problem.