“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Why are people so DESPERATE to believe in "game"?

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Urbanyst, while the importance of LMS is valid, your delivery is, diametrically, detering young men from LMS, the opposite effect of what you are purporting to accomplish.

I understand you are getting attacked and many of your posts/threads are retaliatory, but you got to look at the bigger picture, which is how this discourse can shape/influence young minds for the rest of their lives.

If you are about TRUTH, then your initial motivation was to present such truth to truly assist. You have veered from this path.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Urbanyst, while the importance of LMS is valid, your delivery is, diametrically, detering young men from LMS, the opposite effect of what you are purporting to accomplish.

I understand you are getting attacked and many of your posts/threads are retaliatory, but you got to look at the bigger picture, which is how this discourse can shape/influence young minds for the rest of their lives.

If you are about TRUTH, then your initial motivation was to present such truth to truly assist. You have veered from this path.
In other words: Urbanyst you are right but i want to be most liked person on SS so i will put it in nice words so both sides like me.

Guru thats very manipulative, do you use it in social interactions too? Lol
 
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He is right that LMS matters.

He is wrong in discounting the social interaction, "game" element in attraction/relations.
This.

At this point, he's either trolling or just stubborn to a fault.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Have you heard of party girls rejecting a guy on his own account, and then shes attracted when they find he's a club promoter or in a group she idolizes?
I have one buddy with a big name job who kills on Bumble.

His profile only includes one picture and his job. He gets 10 matches a day.

LMS people. I'm telling you.
 

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Urbanyst, while the importance of LMS is valid, your delivery is, diametrically, detering young men from LMS, the opposite effect of what you are purporting to accomplish.

I understand you are getting attacked and many of your posts/threads are retaliatory, but you got to look at the bigger picture, which is how this discourse can shape/influence young minds for the rest of their lives.

If you are about TRUTH, then your initial motivation was to present such truth to truly assist. You have veered from this path.
This is the same thing I told him months ago but he prefers his divisive delivery. When you act like an arse even if you're right no one cares. He's partially right, LMS matters but game is essential to seal the deal in life and relationships.
 

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He is right that LMS matters.

He is wrong in discounting the social interaction, "game" element in attraction/relations.
It ALL matters. Attraction is such an individual thing. People tend to stratify themselves based on LMS, and then SMV operates with each strata based on individual preference and one's ability to interact well with other people (which is basically what 'game' boils down to).

So it's true that LMS gets you in the door, but your SMV once you get in the door is subjective.

In high value circles everyone has LMS so it is a given, or a constant. Because it is REQUIRED to be in that landscape at all, it really becomes invisible to a degree. Once LMS becomes invisible all you are left with is SMV (again, quite subjective), and SMV is something that your social adroitness (game) has a real effect on.

I mean, I have had high value SMV men think I'm a "10", and I've had high value SMV men completely overlook me. I've done the same with men who objectively are unquestionably high value. Some appeal to me, others don't. Some who don't appeal to me are considered highly sought after by other women. People are extremely individual in what they look for. I was just discussing this very thing with my boyfriend last night over dinner. We were talking about how attraction itself is nebulous and mysterious and hard to quantify. Why couldn't he be completely smitten by the most objectively beautiful woman he'd ever seen who was nice and submissive and so on? He had no idea. She didn't have the "it" factor for him for whatever reason...Why couldn't I be desirous of the handsome fighter pilot or the gorgeous doctor who so many women would consider a catch and a total package? Desire (if you put a value on desire - as you should - it is the glue that holds a relationship together) is a multi factorial thing and we don't always know we want it until we are presented with someone who elicits it from us on a deep level. People who are uniquely suited to elicit mutual desire from one another are rare. Real 'chemistry' between two people is rare. So we tend to hold onto it if we come across it. That in and of itself has value, and the value it confers is in the eye of the beholder, just as beauty is subjective, so are many aspects of attraction.

If on the other hand, you think LMS = SMV (not so), then you are going to be pre-selecting for the subset of women that is most looking for the "provider" type man since you are disregarding the importance of genuine attraction and desire.

LMS + Compatibility = LTR
Not quite.

SMV + Compatibility = LTR.

LMS is a factor that contributes to SMV, but isn't the only factor. Game and personality are the additional factors and those are then overlaid with individual preferences.
 

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It ALL matters. Attraction is such an individual thing. People tend to stratify themselves based on LMS, and then SMV operates with each strata based on individual preference and one's ability to interact well with other people (which is basically what 'game' boils down to).

So it's true that LMS gets you in the door, but your SMV once you get in the door is subjective.

In high value circles everyone has LMS so it is a given, or a constant. Because it is REQUIRED to be in that landscape at all, it really becomes invisible to a degree. Once LMS becomes invisible all you are left with is SMV (again, quite subjective), and SMV is something that your social adroitness (game) has a real effect on.

I mean, I have had high value SMV men think I'm a "10", and I've had high value SMV men completely overlook me. I've done the same with men who objectively are unquestionably high value. Some appeal to me, others don't. Some who don't appeal to me are considered highly sought after by other women. People are extremely individual in what they look for. I was just discussing this very thing with my boyfriend last night over dinner. We were talking about how attraction itself is nebulous and mysterious and hard to quantify. Why couldn't he be completely smitten by the most objectively beautiful woman he'd ever seen who was nice and submissive and so on? He had no idea. She didn't have the "it" factor for him for whatever reason...Why couldn't I be desirous of the handsome fighter pilot or the gorgeous doctor who so many women would consider a catch and a total package? Desire (if you put a value on desire - as you should - it is the glue that holds a relationship together) is a multi factorial thing and we don't always know we want it until we are presented with someone who elicits it from us on a deep level. People who are uniquely suited to elicit mutual desire from one another are rare. Real 'chemistry' between two people is rare. So we tend to hold onto it if we come across it. That in and of itself has value, and the value it confers is in the eye of the beholder, just as beauty is subjective, so are many aspects of attraction.

If on the other hand, you think LMS = SMV (not so), then you are going to be pre-selecting for the subset of women that is most looking for the "provider" type man since you are disregarding the importance of genuine attraction and desire.



Not quite.

SMV + Compatibility = LTR.

LMS is a factor that contributes to SMV, but isn't the only factor. Game and personality are the additional factors and those are then overlaid with individual preferences.
The predominant hole in the position that LMS is everything is while LMS satisfies the surface needs of attraction (L), security (M), and ego gratification (S), it fails to meet the most predominant need: emotional connection. Without the "emotional connect" element, relations are superficial at best based only in the machination of her using you (as a surface tool) as opposed to her desiring you (e.g. BigNeil and his strippers). And you cannot buy or negotiate desire.
 
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The predominant hole in the position that LMS is everything is while LMS satisfies the surface needs of attraction (L), security (M), and ego gratification (S), it fails to meet the most predominant need: emotional connection. Without the "emotional connect" element, relations are superficial at best based only in the machination of her using you (as a surface tool) as opposed to her desiring you (e.g. BigNeil and his strippers). And you cannot buy or negotiate desire.
This always confused me and perhaps you can comment on it:

For women, feeling genuinely desired by the guy we are attracted to is a big turn on.

For men, if the woman they are attracted to is faking attraction for money (gold diggers, SA etc), does it matter in terms of him being turned on by someone who isn't genuinely attracted to him?

I know you can't speak for all men lol but in your experience and with men you know.
 

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This always confused me and perhaps you can comment on it:

For women, feeling genuinely desired by the guy we are attracted to is a big turn on.

For men, if the woman they are attracted to is faking attraction for money (gold diggers, SA etc), does it matter in terms of him being turned on by someone who isn't genuinely attracted to him?

I know you can't speak for all men lol but in your experience and with men you know.
Some men who are unwilling to "put in the work," feel fated to such an existence, but on some level, it matters to all men. Hence, why you have @RichardTheFrog on this website when he could easily bang hookers for life.

I was always turned off by gold diggers, hookers, strippers. It was never my thing as paying for hot women to show me their azz for money felt devaluing, as if their azz was worth something to me. Though, I was never in a position where I was in such scarcity, so I'm not painting my way as virtuous, but rather circumstantial. Though, there are high-value guys that frequent Scores (hottest NYC strip club) and other strip clubs but by virtue of entertainment value to and fun (getting their rocks off with no strings attached) for them as opposed to seeking serious relations.
 

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Nobody talks about the importance of the emotional connection to speak of here. That's too bad in a way because the best relationships are deeply emotionally connected. And the best sexual experiences derive from this emotional connectivity between two people, something that can deepen and expand through time rather than dry up. But this requires emotional vulnerability and openness, and that is not for sissies. Real vulnerability comes from strength, trust, loyalty and commitment. It comes from a place of giving rather than an opportunistic place.

For all those who go about marriage bashing, the most compelling aspect of a great marriage is this idea of sacred covenant which guards and protects the emotional connection between a man and a woman. That allows sexuality to bloom, friendship to deepen, emotional vulnerability and transparency to flourish, encourages authentic partnership and it is a beautiful thing to see between two people. It is something others can recognize when they see couples who have "it" because it resonates and produces a positive warmth and energy that radiates outward because of the strength of the bond between two people.

Sexual desire is the tip of the iceberg, an invitation to explore who someone is and how they relate to us as individuals. And sexual desire cannot be negotiated. The idea that a man cannot be both the lover and the provider/protector for the woman, and that the woman cannot be the sexual satisfier and the nurturer of the man is false. To believe that these things are mutually exclusive is to give up and settle on many levels, and therefore to have a level of dissatisfaction in relationship. Too much focus on LMS will resign the person who thinks LMS is everything to dissatisfaction in relationship.

And this happens to MANY people.

And before people start screaming about this being total Disney and blue pill...I've SEEN this type of dynamic in couples I know. At least a dozen couples I can think of just sitting here. It is profound and moving to witness, and it permeates everything such a couple does. I've seen it in couples who got together during the innocence of youth, and I've seen it in couples who got together at a more experienced place in life. It's magnificent really.

It's just that it requires a level of vulnerability to embrace this dynamic, and that vulnerability comes either from the innocence of youth or from the self awareness borne of experience. It also requires patience to wait for and patience to next people until you come upon someone who has this possibility unique to ones self. That patience derives from ideals in youth, and in maturity in more life experienced people...and the more hurts a person has experienced in life at the hands of others the harder it is to heal and to grow to a place of emotional wholeness where vulnerability and emotional connection is possible. This is the value in the innocence of youth...if you don't go through the painful hurts and disappointments of failure in relationships you don't have all that "stuff" to heal from...and yet if you do go through pain and disappointment and reach a place of emotional strength and willingness to allow ones self to again be vulnerable, then you understand you are knowingly allowing someone else the opportunity to hurt you...and that has to be OK. Vulnerability requires courage in that case. And then you can connect and love from a place of experience and personal strength, which is an amazing thing.

And none of this deeper dynamic has to do with strictly LMS.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Nobody talks about the importance of the emotional connection to speak of here. That's too bad in a way because the best relationships are deeply emotionally connected. And the best sexual experiences derive from this emotional connectivity between two people, something that can deepen and expand through time rather than dry up. But this requires emotional vulnerability and openness, and that is not for sissies. Real vulnerability comes from strength, trust, loyalty and commitment. It comes from a place of giving rather than an opportunistic place.

For all those who go about marriage bashing, the most compelling aspect of a great marriage is this idea of sacred covenant which guards and protects the emotional connection between a man and a woman. That allows sexuality to bloom, friendship to deepen, emotional vulnerability and transparency to flourish, encourages authentic partnership and it is a beautiful thing to see between two people. It is something others can recognize when they see couples who have "it" because it resonates and produces a positive warmth and energy that radiates outward because of the strength of the bond between two people.

Sexual desire is the tip of the iceberg, an invitation to explore who someone is and how they relate to us as individuals. And sexual desire cannot be negotiated. The idea that a man cannot be both the lover and the provider/protector for the woman, and that the woman cannot be the sexual satisfier and the nurturer of the man is false. To believe that these things are mutually exclusive is to give up and settle on many levels, and therefore to have a level of dissatisfaction in relationship. Too much focus on LMS will resign the person who thinks LMS is everything to dissatisfaction in relationship.

And this happens to MANY people.

And before people start screaming about this being total Disney and blue pill...I've SEEN this type of dynamic in couples I know. At least a dozen couples I can think of just sitting here. It is profound and moving to witness, and it permeates everything such a couple does. I've seen it in couples who got together during the innocence of youth, and I've seen it in couples who got together at a more experienced place in life. It's magnificent really.

It's just that it requires a level of vulnerability to embrace this dynamic, and that vulnerability comes either from the innocence of youth or from the self awareness borne of experience. It also requires patience to wait for and patience to next people until you come upon someone who has this possibility unique to ones self. That patience derives from ideals in youth, and in maturity in more life experienced people...and the more hurts a person has experienced in life at the hands of others the harder it is to heal and to grow to a place of emotional wholeness where vulnerability and emotional connection is possible. This is the value in the innocence of youth...if you don't go through the painful hurts and disappointments of failure in relationships you don't have all that "stuff" to heal from...and yet if you do go through pain and disappointment and reach a place of emotional strength and willingness to allow ones self to again be vulnerable, then you understand you are knowingly allowing someone else the opportunity to hurt you...and that has to be OK. Vulnerability requires courage in that case. And then you can connect and love from a place of experience and personal strength, which is an amazing thing.

And none of this deeper dynamic has to do with strictly LMS.
Talk about where the Ride or Die mantra originated. Some here have never had a chick "take a bullet" for them (see Tenacity's complaints). I've had women help me build businesses, compromise their jobs to get me meetings with their boss, walk away from their lifelong family/friends who were at odds with me, and myriad other absurdities not worth mentioning. I don't state this to gloat, rather to address that "Love" will drive a woman to commit extreme selfless acts in your favor.

ALL of this is based on deeply connecting with women emotionally. Having experienced this most of my life, any relation superficially constructed on LMS alone is of interest to me.
 
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Nobody talks about the importance of the emotional connection to speak of here. That's too bad in a way because the best relationships are deeply emotionally connected. And the best sexual experiences derive from this emotional connectivity between two people, something that can deepen and expand through time rather than dry up. But this requires emotional vulnerability and openness, and that is not for sissies. Real vulnerability comes from strength, trust, loyalty and commitment. It comes from a place of giving rather than an opportunistic place.

For all those who go about marriage bashing, the most compelling aspect of a great marriage is this idea of sacred covenant which guards and protects the emotional connection between a man and a woman. That allows sexuality to bloom, friendship to deepen, emotional vulnerability and transparency to flourish, encourages authentic partnership and it is a beautiful thing to see between two people. It is something others can recognize when they see couples who have "it" because it resonates and produces a positive warmth and energy that radiates outward because of the strength of the bond between two people.

Sexual desire is the tip of the iceberg, an invitation to explore who someone is and how they relate to us as individuals. And sexual desire cannot be negotiated. The idea that a man cannot be both the lover and the provider/protector for the woman, and that the woman cannot be the sexual satisfier and the nurturer of the man is false. To believe that these things are mutually exclusive is to give up and settle on many levels, and therefore to have a level of dissatisfaction in relationship. Too much focus on LMS will resign the person who thinks LMS is everything to dissatisfaction in relationship.

And this happens to MANY people.

And before people start screaming about this being total Disney and blue pill...I've SEEN this type of dynamic in couples I know. At least a dozen couples I can think of just sitting here. It is profound and moving to witness, and it permeates everything such a couple does. I've seen it in couples who got together during the innocence of youth, and I've seen it in couples who got together at a more experienced place in life. It's magnificent really.

It's just that it requires a level of vulnerability to embrace this dynamic, and that vulnerability comes either from the innocence of youth or from the self awareness borne of experience. It also requires patience to wait for and patience to next people until you come upon someone who has this possibility unique to ones self. That patience derives from ideals in youth, and in maturity in more life experienced people...and the more hurts a person has experienced in life at the hands of others the harder it is to heal and to grow to a place of emotional wholeness where vulnerability and emotional connection is possible. This is the value in the innocence of youth...if you don't go through the painful hurts and disappointments of failure in relationships you don't have all that "stuff" to heal from...and yet if you do go through pain and disappointment and reach a place of emotional strength and willingness to allow ones self to again be vulnerable, then you understand you are knowingly allowing someone else the opportunity to hurt you...and that has to be OK. Vulnerability requires courage in that case. And then you can connect and love from a place of experience and personal strength, which is an amazing thing.

And none of this deeper dynamic has to do with strictly LMS.
I think it's also possible to have emotional connections in short term relationships, flings let's say. Genuinely enjoying someone else, the physical, the companionship, friendship even, in shorter lived relationships.

My brother likes to keep things short and sweet and not commit and he seems to truly enjoy hanging with women. Because my mother is on his a** about not settling down it becomes a topic with our family but he and I are close and he tells me that he feels connected to the women he dates (usually one at a time doesn't spin plates), he's been inspired by some of them who opened his eyes to different things like art and music and literature. It doesn't seem to be all about sex for him and he is upfront with the women about not wanting a LTR. I've met some of his ladies and they were very interesting, positive people. He just lets it run its course and they usually move on in search of a LTR but from what I have seen he has not had anything end on bad terms.
 

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Not quite.

SMV + Compatibility = LTR.

LMS is a factor that contributes to SMV, but isn't the only factor. Game and personality are the additional factors and those are then overlaid with individual preferences.
Nope.

 
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