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Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Who initiates after setting up a date?

Lostsoul85

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What do you guys do after you both agree to a date..Should you wait for her to remember and contact you first or should you initiate?If you do initiate what would the initial text be?
 

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Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Should be a definite date aka a specific time, day, and place. In my experiences after making the definite plans a couple days before and not texting her...she will text me the day of the date something along the lines of

Her:We still on for tonight?
Me: Yes

Then just show up....
 

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TheException said:
Should be a definite date aka a specific time, day, and place. In my experiences after making the definite plans a couple days before and not texting her...she will text me the day of the date something along the lines of

Her:We still on for tonight?
Me: Yes

Then just show up....
Yup. If I'm at all worried about a potential flake I'll just do this:

Me: You drink red or white?
Her: (Whatever). I'll be there (whenever).
 

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Text her the time you want to meet.

Usually I set up a plan via text either the night of the date or a few days before. So if I texted her on Tuesday for a Thursday date... once Thursday comes I would send something like:

ME: 8:00?

If I'm making the plans the night of the date:

ME: Want to grab a drink after work tonight?

I always plan first dates/meetings at the bar next to my apartment. This way I can walk there when she arrives. I always send a "running late" text at the time of the date. If she isn't there yet.. I tell her to text me when she is. If she flakes.. I never got off my ass anyway.

Also, if she's DTF.. my place is a 5 minute walk.:up:

The less effort you put into dating the more high value women will believe you are. :crackup:
 

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PlayHer Man said:
Text her the time you want to meet.

Usually I set up a plan via text either the night of the date or a few days before. So if I texted her on Tuesday for a Thursday date... once Thursday comes I would send something like:

ME: 8:00?

If I'm making the plans the night of the date:

ME: Want to grab a drink after work tonight?

I always plan first dates/meetings at the bar next to my apartment. This way I can walk there when she arrives. I always send a "running late" text at the time of the date. If she isn't there yet.. I tell her to text me when she is. If she flakes.. I never got off my ass anyway.

Also, if she's DTF.. my place is a 5 minute walk.:up:

The less effort you put into dating the more high value women will believe you are. :crackup:
Almost feels like a catch 22 because since women are usually the passive sex, we can't really hold our breath for that
 

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Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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The flaws in the relationship are going to be exposed ANYWAY.

THERES NOTHING YOU CAN DO.

Bwahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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With texting, it has become SO EASY for women to flake. They don't have to look you in the eye or listen to your voice. Texting marked the end of dating.
 

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Alright guys today we are supposed to meet up.Now because of the convo below(she says she sometimes cancels last minute) if you guys can give me a smart initiating text to remind her i would appreciate it

I hit up this chick on ok cupid and drop her my number.She texts me the following night


Her:Hey you never game your name..lol
Me:David..How about you?
Her:Im Trina:)
Me:pleasure to meet you Trina:)
Me:You look mixed with something..my guess would be indian
Her:Lol,no hispanic
Me:Yeah you've go that exotic look
Her:Thats interesting.Ive never been called exotic..lol..What are you mixed with?
Me:Ethiopian
Her:Really,i am in love with your food
Me:Ok, what's your favorite dish
Her:XXXXXX
Me:I must say you have good taste
Her:Yep i could go for some right now
Me:So what's on the agenda for this week..doing anything exciting
Her:Too early to tell..I do have alot of school work though
Me:btw..i could go for some hispanic food right now
Her:You should try xxxxx then
Her:Its basically tex mex but so good,good margaritas too
Me:I like the sound of that..So what do you you do for fun?
Her:Whatever i get the inspiration to do in the moment
Me:Do you like Bowling
Her:yes i think its fun..i think its fun though..lol
Me:Dont worry you will be training with a pro:)
Her:Is that right
Me:)Im free later this week
Her:Maybe thurday
Me:So thursday me and you:)
Her:Yes but i must tell you i am known to reschedule the last minute so you you're not dissapointed if i can't meet that day.
Me:Yes i am also known to do the same:)As long as you let me know ahead of time we are good
Her:Ill try but that kind of goes against the last minute part..lol..Socially i decide what to do that day
Me:Lol..K
Her:Ive just had some people get mad about that but school and working out comes furst
Me:cool

Well today is the day...what is a smart text to hit her up with?
 

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Lostsoul85 said:
Her:Yes but i must tell you i am known to reschedule the last minute so you you're not dissapointed if i can't meet that day.
Her:Ill try but that kind of goes against the last minute part..lol..Socially i decide what to do that day
Okay, goodbye then.

Would be my response.

Oh, and as Espi says, please god stop texting.
 

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So since we agreed for today..should i text her saying hey are we still on for tonight?we only texted on monday.i haven't texted since
 

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Why are you even pursuing this girl? Her interest in you is so lukewarm that she told you she might cancel days before the actual date happened.

Spoiler alert: You're not seeing her today. Don't text. Just find another girl.
 

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What caused this lukewarmness? I don't understand why women text you after you I've them your number on a dating site..Why would they go out of there way to contact you then flake..
 

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Ok..so it's my fault since I put myself out there,did my share of the work?
 

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Aaaaaand you're out.

Re-read what she said: "Socially i decide what to do that day." In other words, if nothing better comes along, she MIGHT decide to see you. And like I always tell guys, you should NEVER accept a "maybe" date from a woman. The fact that she doesn't have anything planned at the moment but is already telling you she may blow you off should be a HUGE indicator of her interest.

Other mistakes you made:

1. Giving her your number - it should be the other way around: you ask for HER number, and she either gives it to you (high interest) or she gives you some excuse as to why she can't give it to you (low interest). Then, once you get it, you CALL her up and ask her on a date - no texting.

2. Your weak date invite - the presentation was awful. "I'm free this week" - great, now she knows that you have nothing else going on in your life. A better way to present this to her: "Well, if you like bowling, we should meet up sometime this week. I'm currently free on Thursday and Sunday, what day would work best for you?"

3. Not asking her for a definite time - anytime a girl gives you the "oh, I'm so busy" excuse, she's probably blowing you off. However, there's always a small chance that she just can't make it on the days you mentioned. So, to figure out which one it is, simply say "okay, well tell me - what days do you have coming up where you are DEFINITELY available." If she's in school or likes to work out, those are things she will typically have scheduled in advance throughout her week. So, she should be able to fit you in - think about it, even a girl that goes to school and works out has to make time to eat, right? So, if she gives you a lame answer like "gee, I don't really know any definite days when my schedule is open," she's lying to you because she doesn't want to go out with you. I've dated doctors, lawyers, scientists, and grad students, all of whom found ways to make time for me - if she can't find time to go out with you between schooling and working out, there's a reason for it...
 

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She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Ok..so it's my fault since I put myself out there,did my share of the work?
 

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Harry Wilmington said:
Aaaaaand you're out.

Re-read what she said: "Socially i decide what to do that day." In other words, if nothing better comes along, she MIGHT decide to see you. And like I always tell guys, you should NEVER accept a "maybe" date from a woman. The fact that she doesn't have anything planned at the moment but is already telling you she may blow you off should be a HUGE indicator of her interest.

Other mistakes you made:

1. Giving her your number - it should be the other way around: you ask for HER number, and she either gives it to you (high interest) or she gives you some excuse as to why she can't give it to you (low interest). Then, once you get it, you CALL her up and ask her on a date - no texting.

2. Your weak date invite - the presentation was awful. "I'm free this week" - great, now she knows that you have nothing else going on in your life. A better way to present this to her: "Well, if you like bowling, we should meet up sometime this week. I'm currently free on Thursday and Sunday, what day would work best for you?"

3. Not asking her for a definite time - anytime a girl gives you the "oh, I'm so busy" excuse, she's probably blowing you off. However, there's always a small chance that she just can't make it on the days you mentioned. So, to figure out which one it is, simply say "okay, well tell me - what days do you have coming up where you are DEFINITELY available." If she's in school or likes to work out, those are things she will typically have scheduled in advance throughout her week. So, she should be able to fit you in - think about it, even a girl that goes to school and works out has to make time to eat, right? So, if she gives you a lame answer like "gee, I don't really know any definite days when my schedule is open," she's lying to you because she doesn't want to go out with you. I've dated doctors, lawyers, scientists, and grad students, all of whom found ways to make time for me - if she can't find time to go out with you between schooling and working out, there's a reason for it...
that makes sense, if a woman is truly interested in you, she will definetley find and make a way in order to make her life flexible enough in order to see you
 

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Lostsoul85 said:
What caused this lukewarmness? I don't understand why women text you after you I've them your number on a dating site..Why would they go out of there way to contact you then flake..
Women love attention, validation and power over men. Simple as that. A woman doesn't have to want to f*ck you in order to communicate with you. Women want relationships with beta fags they can exploit just as much as they want alpha c0cks pounding their ****s.

A woman must find out which type of man you are before taking action. If you are a man who she doesn't have to f*ck to keep.. then she wont.

Spin more plates. No women you haven't f*cked is worth this much discussion.
 

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PlayHer Man said:
The less effort you put into dating the more high value women will believe you are. :crackup:
I agree and it's true. I've had girls that I don't like, that have been dying for a chance to be with me. This one even said she will be an option if the one doesn't work out... and this is only because I don't care about dating them and I'm guessing it shows value. So I am for this piece of advice, as it does work.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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