"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Who here actually uses the "Mystery Method"?

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Latinoman has a good point here concerning techniques. Look at Mystery... he couldn't keep his woman in a LTR when he was so detached to love his g/f that she ended up falling for his nicer roommate who was more caring. Or how Style lost his g/f to Robbie Williams. So ya.. mPUAs aren't invincible.

Agreed, it's also hard to keep a woman of high quality attracted over the long run since she has options as well.

My older DJ buddy tells me that 90% of women aren't the marrying type, but it's what we have to work with when we haven't quite reached mature DJ status yet professionally, health, and all.

MM is perfect for club/bar game when a PUA gets a same-night-pull... but probably unhealthy in the long run...
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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resilient said:
Latinoman has a good point here concerning techniques. Look at Mystery... he couldn't keep his woman in a LTR when he was so detached to love his g/f that she ended up falling for his nicer roommate who was more caring. Or how Style lost his g/f to Robbie Williams. So ya.. mPUAs aren't invincible.

Agreed, it's also hard to keep a woman of high quality attracted over the long run since she has options as well.

My older DJ buddy tells me that 90% of women aren't the marrying type, but it's what we have to work with when we haven't quite reached mature DJ status yet professionally, health, and all.

MM is perfect for club/bar game when a PUA gets a same-night-pull... but probably unhealthy in the long run...
Mystery and Style didn't lose their GFs because they're great PUAs. MM won't teach you how to keep a girl, but all relationships start the same way: with the M3 model. What MM will do is increase your chances of finding quality women by allowing you to meet and attract so many women. And it will teach you how to attract quality women once you do find them.

Learning how to attract women and how to keep women are not mutually exclusive.

As a side note, MM does NOT teach same-night-pulls (aka fool's mate in the VAH). It emphasizes the 7 hour rule, which is that most women will not feel comfortable sleeping with you until you've spent about 7 hours with her.
 

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apparently, Mystery and I have different ideas of what "quality" is...
 

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I got a lot of good things and realizations out of MM. At the end of the day, I did spend too much time on it that could've been used elsewhere, but I learned a lot. I don't use it the way Mystery does, I only retained bits and pieces that fit into what I wanted to do with my game. However, I do suggest (at least) the DVD series, the VAH, the interview series, and (if possible, and it's not that hard) find some wings that went to a bootcamp and have been practicing for at least a few months.

There is a great tendency to try half-assing it, I think if you're going to do this, then set aside a few months and really do it one new piece at a time. Really it takes at least several months to get to the point where the most realizations come even going out 3-4 nights a week. It costs a lot in cover charges too, and (hopefully) wings will already know which places are good which nights.

Consider that you have to study the material, get out an apply it, pay for transport, cover charges, even mall lunches get expensive and boring after a while. It's a huge commitment, and that's why most guys are never, ever going to go through with such a thing.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
So what exactly is a REAL conversation with PEOPLE?
A conversation in which you genuinely get to know them, and they genuinely get to know you
IE a conversation in which 90% of the content ISNT pre-scripted.
 

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A conversation in which you genuinely get to know them, and they genuinely get to know you
IE a conversation in which 90% of the content ISNT pre-scripted.
So tell me, where exactly in MM does he expound on using scripts?
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
So tell me, where exactly in MM does he expound on using scripts?
u want exact quotes?
sorry, I deleted my copy of Venusian Arts a while ago. :rolleyes:

the whole method is based on having canned openers, canned stories, standing in such a way so u dont "broadcast interest". :rolleyes: cuz ya know, hate to let the ladies see our true colours. And if by chance, you bed a woman sooner than 7 hours (if things just click), its stalemate!! oh noes!! Mystery doesnt approve! :woo:

After a few years of using Pick-up material, primarily the Mystery Method, the "greatest of the Jedi", Style, still couldnt internalize it. If u've ever seen him on talk shows, when asked to demonstrate, he "cant do it". I admit some aspects of it, the 3M or M3 model for example, are quite good and allow you to see exactly how this whole game takes place, but I find canned stuff to be unoriginal, as many ppl who use MM cant create their own material. some game...

I aint knockin anyone who uses it. go right ahead. I know lots of people have found success with it. I just choose not to have Mystery Method be MY method.
 

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THE_ADDMAN said:
u want exact quotes?
sorry, I deleted my copy of Venusian Arts a while ago. :rolleyes:

the whole method is based on having canned openers, canned stories, standing in such a way so u dont "broadcast interest". :rolleyes: cuz ya know, hate to let the ladies see our true colours. And if by chance, you bed a woman sooner than 7 hours (if things just click), its stalemate!! oh noes!! Mystery doesnt approve! :woo:

After a few years of using Pick-up material, primarily the Mystery Method, the "greatest of the Jedi", Style, still couldnt internalize it. If u've ever seen him on talk shows, when asked to demonstrate, he "cant do it". I admit some aspects of it, the 3M or M3 model for example, are quite good and allow you to see exactly how this whole game takes place, but I find canned stuff to be unoriginal, as many ppl who use MM cant create their own material. some game...

I aint knockin anyone who uses it. go right ahead. I know lots of people have found success with it. I just choose not to have Mystery Method be MY method.
I agree 100%. For me, meeting women has been more of challenging my comfort zone and developing healthy mindsets than anything. I have a few things that I like to talk about with girls, and I have a few topics I like to start conversations out with (SOMETIMES), but outside that, I don't have any ROUTINES (how lame) in my repertoire. When I go out, my whole game plan is to be as social as I can, to have as much fun as possible, and actually listen to people to decide where to take the conversation. Once again, it might work for someone else, but it sure doesn't for me.
 

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THE_ADDMAN said:
the whole method is based on having canned openers, canned stories
Most people use canned material in their daily lives...they're called anecdotes.

Mystery tells noobs to use stock ones in the beginning, but he recommends developing your own for the long term.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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It is all down to the guys personality his body language and the tone of his voice when it comes to alluring the most beautiful woman, the guys who pull the chicks are the ones whom have the confident charismatic X Factor type personalities, methods and techniques are useless when it comes to picking up girls. :yes:
 

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KoalaKing said:
It is all down to the guys personality his body language and the tone of his voice when it comes to alluring the most beautiful woman, the guys who pull the chicks are the ones whom have the confident charismatic X Factor type personalities
All of which can be developed through practice.

methods and techniques are useless when it comes to picking up girls.
There's a whole lot of guys who will disagree with this statement.
 

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THE_ADDMAN said:
u want exact quotes?
sorry, I deleted my copy of Venusian Arts a while ago. :rolleyes:
Yeah, thought so.. :rolleyes:
 

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absolutely. to an extent, most speech has canned elements.

but contrast a funny story that happened last week to you, with an opinion opener that you've said to 20 groups every saturday night for the last few months.
 

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THE_ADDMAN said:
A conversation in which you genuinely get to know them, and they genuinely get to know you
IE a conversation in which 90% of the content ISNT pre-scripted.
You do this during comfort stages. Only the attraction stages use scripts (yourown or someone elses). If you try to have a "genuin conversation" with someone who's not attracted to you first, you're going to be put in the friend's zone.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I would be deeply interested to know if anyone has used Mysterie's method by walking up to a group?
 

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Freddy1 said:
I would be deeply interested to know if anyone has used Mysterie's method by walking up to a group?
What do you want to know?
 

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You do this during comfort stages. Only the attraction stages use scripts (yourown or someone elses). If you try to have a "genuin conversation" with someone who's not attracted to you first, you're going to be put in the friend's zone.
yeah I agree w/ that one. Just be careful about those canned openers. Style actually had a situation where girls told him "We heard that one already"
 

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You guys are aware that by purposely doing things to DHV, you are actually demonstrating lower value, right?

As for Negs, dressing like a fag, opinion openers, "The cube" ?

All gay stuff.

Be a Man, be confident, have a strong frame.

That's all you'll ever need.

Not cheesy techniques and tactics that usually only work on LSE party girls.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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