"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Who here actually uses the "Mystery Method"?

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Latinoman has a good point here concerning techniques. Look at Mystery... he couldn't keep his woman in a LTR when he was so detached to love his g/f that she ended up falling for his nicer roommate who was more caring. Or how Style lost his g/f to Robbie Williams. So ya.. mPUAs aren't invincible.

Agreed, it's also hard to keep a woman of high quality attracted over the long run since she has options as well.

My older DJ buddy tells me that 90% of women aren't the marrying type, but it's what we have to work with when we haven't quite reached mature DJ status yet professionally, health, and all.

MM is perfect for club/bar game when a PUA gets a same-night-pull... but probably unhealthy in the long run...
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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resilient said:
Latinoman has a good point here concerning techniques. Look at Mystery... he couldn't keep his woman in a LTR when he was so detached to love his g/f that she ended up falling for his nicer roommate who was more caring. Or how Style lost his g/f to Robbie Williams. So ya.. mPUAs aren't invincible.

Agreed, it's also hard to keep a woman of high quality attracted over the long run since she has options as well.

My older DJ buddy tells me that 90% of women aren't the marrying type, but it's what we have to work with when we haven't quite reached mature DJ status yet professionally, health, and all.

MM is perfect for club/bar game when a PUA gets a same-night-pull... but probably unhealthy in the long run...
Mystery and Style didn't lose their GFs because they're great PUAs. MM won't teach you how to keep a girl, but all relationships start the same way: with the M3 model. What MM will do is increase your chances of finding quality women by allowing you to meet and attract so many women. And it will teach you how to attract quality women once you do find them.

Learning how to attract women and how to keep women are not mutually exclusive.

As a side note, MM does NOT teach same-night-pulls (aka fool's mate in the VAH). It emphasizes the 7 hour rule, which is that most women will not feel comfortable sleeping with you until you've spent about 7 hours with her.
 

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apparently, Mystery and I have different ideas of what "quality" is...
 

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I got a lot of good things and realizations out of MM. At the end of the day, I did spend too much time on it that could've been used elsewhere, but I learned a lot. I don't use it the way Mystery does, I only retained bits and pieces that fit into what I wanted to do with my game. However, I do suggest (at least) the DVD series, the VAH, the interview series, and (if possible, and it's not that hard) find some wings that went to a bootcamp and have been practicing for at least a few months.

There is a great tendency to try half-assing it, I think if you're going to do this, then set aside a few months and really do it one new piece at a time. Really it takes at least several months to get to the point where the most realizations come even going out 3-4 nights a week. It costs a lot in cover charges too, and (hopefully) wings will already know which places are good which nights.

Consider that you have to study the material, get out an apply it, pay for transport, cover charges, even mall lunches get expensive and boring after a while. It's a huge commitment, and that's why most guys are never, ever going to go through with such a thing.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
So what exactly is a REAL conversation with PEOPLE?
A conversation in which you genuinely get to know them, and they genuinely get to know you
IE a conversation in which 90% of the content ISNT pre-scripted.
 

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A conversation in which you genuinely get to know them, and they genuinely get to know you
IE a conversation in which 90% of the content ISNT pre-scripted.
So tell me, where exactly in MM does he expound on using scripts?
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
So tell me, where exactly in MM does he expound on using scripts?
u want exact quotes?
sorry, I deleted my copy of Venusian Arts a while ago. :rolleyes:

the whole method is based on having canned openers, canned stories, standing in such a way so u dont "broadcast interest". :rolleyes: cuz ya know, hate to let the ladies see our true colours. And if by chance, you bed a woman sooner than 7 hours (if things just click), its stalemate!! oh noes!! Mystery doesnt approve! :woo:

After a few years of using Pick-up material, primarily the Mystery Method, the "greatest of the Jedi", Style, still couldnt internalize it. If u've ever seen him on talk shows, when asked to demonstrate, he "cant do it". I admit some aspects of it, the 3M or M3 model for example, are quite good and allow you to see exactly how this whole game takes place, but I find canned stuff to be unoriginal, as many ppl who use MM cant create their own material. some game...

I aint knockin anyone who uses it. go right ahead. I know lots of people have found success with it. I just choose not to have Mystery Method be MY method.
 

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THE_ADDMAN said:
u want exact quotes?
sorry, I deleted my copy of Venusian Arts a while ago. :rolleyes:

the whole method is based on having canned openers, canned stories, standing in such a way so u dont "broadcast interest". :rolleyes: cuz ya know, hate to let the ladies see our true colours. And if by chance, you bed a woman sooner than 7 hours (if things just click), its stalemate!! oh noes!! Mystery doesnt approve! :woo:

After a few years of using Pick-up material, primarily the Mystery Method, the "greatest of the Jedi", Style, still couldnt internalize it. If u've ever seen him on talk shows, when asked to demonstrate, he "cant do it". I admit some aspects of it, the 3M or M3 model for example, are quite good and allow you to see exactly how this whole game takes place, but I find canned stuff to be unoriginal, as many ppl who use MM cant create their own material. some game...

I aint knockin anyone who uses it. go right ahead. I know lots of people have found success with it. I just choose not to have Mystery Method be MY method.
I agree 100%. For me, meeting women has been more of challenging my comfort zone and developing healthy mindsets than anything. I have a few things that I like to talk about with girls, and I have a few topics I like to start conversations out with (SOMETIMES), but outside that, I don't have any ROUTINES (how lame) in my repertoire. When I go out, my whole game plan is to be as social as I can, to have as much fun as possible, and actually listen to people to decide where to take the conversation. Once again, it might work for someone else, but it sure doesn't for me.
 

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THE_ADDMAN said:
the whole method is based on having canned openers, canned stories
Most people use canned material in their daily lives...they're called anecdotes.

Mystery tells noobs to use stock ones in the beginning, but he recommends developing your own for the long term.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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It is all down to the guys personality his body language and the tone of his voice when it comes to alluring the most beautiful woman, the guys who pull the chicks are the ones whom have the confident charismatic X Factor type personalities, methods and techniques are useless when it comes to picking up girls. :yes:
 

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KoalaKing said:
It is all down to the guys personality his body language and the tone of his voice when it comes to alluring the most beautiful woman, the guys who pull the chicks are the ones whom have the confident charismatic X Factor type personalities
All of which can be developed through practice.

methods and techniques are useless when it comes to picking up girls.
There's a whole lot of guys who will disagree with this statement.
 

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THE_ADDMAN said:
u want exact quotes?
sorry, I deleted my copy of Venusian Arts a while ago. :rolleyes:
Yeah, thought so.. :rolleyes:
 

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absolutely. to an extent, most speech has canned elements.

but contrast a funny story that happened last week to you, with an opinion opener that you've said to 20 groups every saturday night for the last few months.
 

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THE_ADDMAN said:
A conversation in which you genuinely get to know them, and they genuinely get to know you
IE a conversation in which 90% of the content ISNT pre-scripted.
You do this during comfort stages. Only the attraction stages use scripts (yourown or someone elses). If you try to have a "genuin conversation" with someone who's not attracted to you first, you're going to be put in the friend's zone.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I would be deeply interested to know if anyone has used Mysterie's method by walking up to a group?
 

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Freddy1 said:
I would be deeply interested to know if anyone has used Mysterie's method by walking up to a group?
What do you want to know?
 

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You do this during comfort stages. Only the attraction stages use scripts (yourown or someone elses). If you try to have a "genuin conversation" with someone who's not attracted to you first, you're going to be put in the friend's zone.
yeah I agree w/ that one. Just be careful about those canned openers. Style actually had a situation where girls told him "We heard that one already"
 

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You guys are aware that by purposely doing things to DHV, you are actually demonstrating lower value, right?

As for Negs, dressing like a fag, opinion openers, "The cube" ?

All gay stuff.

Be a Man, be confident, have a strong frame.

That's all you'll ever need.

Not cheesy techniques and tactics that usually only work on LSE party girls.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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