"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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which programming language?

Caesar20

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a little help from you CS majors and others please.
which prog language would be good for me to learn? im a beginner (just about, i knew a little fortran, JS but not anymore), i tried learning sth in the past but never had the motivation to.
im a ME major, we don't need much of that (except for SDK development for 3d modellers).

i'd need sth that can do graphics (would be ok) and that is beginner-oriented (logical).
java, .net? sth else?

and sorry for my "english" i haven't used it in a while.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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I would suggest Java. You don't have to worry so much about memory management and it is well structured. I learned C++ first in school and then Java. I wish it was the other way around. Also, Java has a lot of practical user-end applications.
 

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I agree. I started with c/c++ an then Java. Java will hold your interest longer at the beginning because you can start creating GUIs very quickly thanks to the standard swing and awt libraries.

I would recommend you get the book "The Object of Java" by David Riley.

It takes a backward approach by starting out teaching object oriented programming and working back to actual coding.

This approach helps ALOT to get good at OOP.
 

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mr_elor said:
Nah I find Java too fiddly, C++ is the way to go. Most companies tend to use C/C++ (especially games companies so I'm a little biased) and I personally find it easier and more convenient to use. For me Java's only practical for mobile phones and online games etc.

I strongly disagree. I am actively job searching (last year of university) and a large amount of companies are looking for some form of Java. As much or more than C++. I am looking through a wide category of industries...not so much gaming companies though. So it may be true in that industry.


Oh and I should add that my brother works at a software company that does workforce management stuff. They use virtually nothing but Java.
 

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If you learn c/c++ You pretty much know java and vice versa.

After a semester of c++ I was able to code pretty complicated object-oriented programs using java with only a book for reference for some minor syntax and library differences.

I do think going from java OOP to c++ OOP might be a little more difficult.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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I love C++, don't mind Java but disagree with you all.

I would recommend for a begginer C# or VB.Net [C# is a better one, though in .Net they are both OO]. Download the MS .Net 2005 Express editions for free from Microsofts website [or #Develop 2.0].

Learn the basics and make stuff that works, then move on the more nitty-gritty like C++. IMHO C#/VB.Net will get you up to speed faster than the others.


Most companies tend to use C/C++ (especially games companies so I'm a little biased)
This is true for games, given C++'s performance advantages over other languages plus the large tool base already available for the games market in this language, but not true for general purpose enterprises. There is a lot of C++ lagacy applications out there, but also a large market of Java.

Personally I find no reason to use C++ anymore, all our new stuff is .Net, and legacy applications are being ported to C# [speed of developepment/maintainability/platform consistency/etc].
 

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C/C++ and/or Java are the way to go. Languages like FORTRAN have their place, I guess, but don't bother ponsing around becoming a FORTRAN or BASIC guru. C, C++ and Java are the true workhorse languages :)

-shaun
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Riptastic said:
int=2;
while (i != 1) {
System.out.println("Shut the hell up A$$HOLE");
}
That won't compile :rolleyes:


Definatly go with C#, .NET is a very good platform to work on. Theres XNA, Managed DirectX, OpenGL and SDL if you want to do graphics.
 

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hm, what about python?
i've read some good stuff about it, esp. about beginner-friendliness and good oop.

any comments?
 

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Caesar20 said:
hm, what about python?
i've read some good stuff about it, esp. about beginner-friendliness and good oop.

any comments?
Good to learn how to program, but don't expect to do any big applications in it.
 

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I say go for assembly language :p.

In uni I learnt Java and the C++. For some reason I thought C++ was easier than Java.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Any good programming knows several languages. I agree with C++/Java - you will be able to get a real development job with those. But they are not really fun languages. For fun, I mess around with Objective C/Cocoa, and Ruby.
 
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