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You have to remember narcissist are the game. It comes from them, attraction is based solely on narcissism. If someone has her guard up a narcissist will know what to do, most of the time playing the victim or relating to one of their past bad experience which leads to sex. But this won’t work long term
not true. narcissists tend to be more attractive because they acquire resources and put themselves first - are very image and status driven. but narcissistic behaviours do not help with women. a narcissist would do better in dating by learning to hide their narcissistic behaviours and act 'more normal', whilst retaining the charm and status their narcissism has given them.

90% of the 'game' with women is just appearing agenda-less, normal and relaxed..
 

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not true. narcissists tend to be more attractive because they acquire resources and put themselves first - are very image and status driven. but narcissistic behaviours do not help with women. a narcissist would do better in dating by learning to hide their narcissistic behaviours and act 'more normal', whilst retaining the charm and status their narcissism has given them.

90% of the 'game' with women is just appearing agenda-less, normal and relaxed..
Passing **** tests is narcissists work of art. Agree and amplify, silent Treatment , putting them in place, soft next, dread game. Narcissist play the game nonstop, they can’t stop but will play with you my friend. They pass them all naturally and you just explained narcissistic behavior. They don’t have to be successful in the first place, it’s all about subcommunication, which I repeatedly told you so don’t argue with me about that. This is my last message.
 

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BS. telling a woman upfront that you want sex is the worst strategy. if it was that simple, these forums wouldnt exist and everyone would be getting laid. it will only work on the worst of the worst type women and make you look like a thirsty/desperate lunatic.
ive never in my life met a man with an enviable dating life that just tells women upfront that he wants sex. play it cool, seduce her smoothly etc is the conventional approach which has been proven to work for millions of men
@SmoothSmooth Unfortunately you are in fact wrong. Let me start off by saying Mode one (direct approach) isn't for everyone. It's for men who are in the top 20 percent of self assurance, backbone, erotic dominance, and confidence.

You obviously haven't read the books and are just assuming you know what mode one is. Mode one wasn't designed to get you laid. It was designed to weed out and decipher the type of women you are approaching and her level of interest, while saving your money and time. Getting rejected after a 5 minute conversation by stating your true intentions is way better than being indirectly vague and ambiguous for two weeks and paying for her food and drinks. I walk away from a mode one rejection confident and happy because I showed alpha qualities. I don't lose my balls after a rejection. Mode one allows you to NEVER GET PLAYED!

I've been indirectly smooth and conventional and have had my fair share of success in my lifetime. I speak with sub communication (********) with women online and texting, But the breakthrough I've witnessed being mode one direct has changed my whole approach game. The reason a lot of you guys get played is because you are manipulative yourselves.

I'd be willing to bet that almost 80% of the guys on here or even in society (including you) don't have the balls or backbone to approach a women in an explicitly sexual manner. It takes an extremely self assured man to do so in an erotic and smooth seductive way. The guys who throw shade at Mode One are usually guys who struggle with abrupt rejection. Mode one frees men from the failure of rejection. You don't just say "I want to ****k you". You have to be verballly smooth and seductive, confident bordering on ****y. Anytime you say something alpha to a woman, she will test you by looking into your eyes and seeing if you truly mean what you say. THAT's THE KEY TO MODE ONE! The biggest factor of mode one that you boys don't understand is how you hold your frame when women give you **** tests for being so bold. If you are unapologetic and hold the frame, 9 times out of ten the women will get wet for you. But ya'll still caught up in getting her damn number or taking her out on dates.

Being "thirsty" would be me asking for *****. I tell them "I know you want to share my company", "I can't wait for you to *** on my hard ****", I can't wait to stretch your ***** out". See the difference? I'm sure of myself, not "Thirsty". And if they reject me, I move on and leave them alone. That's not desperate silly goose...If you understand the true nature of women, they get extremely turned on by the images they have in their head. Erotica is one of the highest selling genres in the world. They love descriptive sexual thoughts. Hearing a man speak in these ways to them with a dominant aura is intoxicating. What happens is they're social programming causes them to ACT like they aren't naughty or get defensive with you. If you maintain the frame it will lower her social programming (conscious mind) and her wet ***** will do all the decision making (subconscious).

I had 4 same day seductions this summer with HOT women being mode one. READ THAT AGAIN.... SAME DAY. I'd say all 4 were 8's or up, all under 25 years old. I got there *****'s wet during the first convo. Have you ever done that? One sucked my **** in the car at the beach after an hour of meeting her. I spent 0 $. 0 $!!!!!!! One came to my house after the club. Another I met at starbucks and I have vids and pics to prove it. Didn't buy her one drink. Have you had a girl suck your **** after one hour of meeting her? Have you ****ed a girl in your car the same day you met her? I HAVE. I don't mind tooting my own horn to prove to you how stupid you sound. . Reading ARC's books has done more for me than this forum ever will lol.

You can keep being indirect all you want, just know you wouldn't want your bitches in the same room as this bad boy (hopefully you got bitches) REAL TALK

Piece of advice: Actually read a book before you critique it's philosophies.

Like I said, Mode one isn't for everyone. But anyone on here who wants to critique my approach game or mode one should actually read the books so we can have intelligent talking points and discussions.

DROPS MIC
 
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non of them. They are all sales person and in some degree they probably know it won’t work. They might say things like but there is one way and if it doesn’t work there is some last tactic you can try, but it doesn’t guarantee anything. It’s all about money, they have to do this in order to make profit. Sometimes they will even sabotage your relationship to ask for more help/ coaching sessions
I have had suspicions about this. There have been times in my life that I thought about dating coaching but never did it. I have read online articles and books instead.
 

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@SmoothSmooth Unfortunately you are in fact wrong. Let me start off by saying Mode one (direct approach) isn't for everyone. It's for men who are in the top 20 percent of self assurance, backbone, erotic dominance, and confidence.

You obviously haven't read the books and are just assuming you know what mode one is. Mode one wasn't designed to get you laid. It was designed to weed out and decipher the type of women you are approaching and her level of interest, while saving your money and time. Getting rejected after a 5 minute conversation by stating your true intentions is way better than being indirectly vague and ambiguous for two weeks and paying for her food and drinks. I walk away from a mode one rejection confident and happy because I showed alpha qualities. I don't lose my balls after a rejection. Mode one allows you to NEVER GET PLAYED!

I've been indirectly smooth and conventional and have had my fair share of success in my lifetime. I speak with sub communication (********) with women online and texting, But the breakthrough I've witnessed being mode one direct has changed my whole approach game. The reason a lot of you guys get played is because you are manipulative yourselves.

I'd be willing to bet that almost 80% of the guys on here or even in society (including you) don't have the balls or backbone to approach a women in an explicitly sexual manner. It takes an extremely self assured man to do so in an erotic and smooth seductive way. The guys who throw shade at Mode One are usually guys who struggle with abrupt rejection. Mode one frees men from the failure of rejection. You don't just say "I want to ****k you". You have to be verballly smooth and seductive, confident bordering on ****y. Anytime you say something alpha to a woman, she will test you by looking into your eyes and seeing if you truly mean what you say. THAT's THE KEY TO MODE ONE! The biggest factor of mode one that you boys don't understand is how you hold your frame when women give you **** tests for being so bold. If you are unapologetic and hold the frame, 9 times out of ten the women will get wet for you. But ya'll still caught up in getting her damn number or taking her out on dates.

Being "thirsty" would be me asking for *****. I tell them "I know you want to share my company", "I can't wait for you to *** on my hard ****", I can't wait to stretch your ***** out". See the difference? I'm sure of myself, not "Thirsty". And if they reject me, I move on and leave them alone. That's not desperate silly goose...If you understand the true nature of women, they get extremely turned on by the images they have in their head. Erotica is one of the highest selling genres in the world. They love descriptive sexual thoughts. Hearing a man speak in these ways to them with a dominant aura is intoxicating. What happens is they're social programming causes them to ACT like they aren't naughty or get defensive with you. If you maintain the frame it will lower her social programming (conscious mind) and her wet ***** will do all the decision making (subconscious).

I had 4 same day seductions this summer with HOT women being mode one. READ THAT AGAIN.... SAME DAY. I'd say all 4 were 8's or up, all under 25 years old. I got there *****'s wet during the first convo. Have you ever done that? One sucked my **** in the car at the beach after an hour of meeting her. I spent 0 $. 0 $!!!!!!! One came to my house after the club. Another I met at starbucks and I have vids and pics to prove it. Didn't buy her one drink. Have you had a girl suck your **** after one hour of meeting her? Have you ****ed a girl in your car the same day you met her? I HAVE. I don't mind tooting my own horn to prove to you how stupid you sound. . Reading ARC's books has done more for me than this forum ever will lol.

You can keep being indirect all you want, just know you wouldn't want your bitches in the same room as this bad boy (hopefully you got bitches) REAL TALK

Piece of advice: Actually read a book before you critique it's philosophies.

Like I said, Mode one isn't for everyone. But anyone on here who wants to critique my approach game or mode one should actually read the books so we can have intelligent talking points and discussions.

DROPS MIC
BS, you can test her interest with small compliance tests. just shorten you replies and see if she continues the convo, see if she follows ur lead etc. only a fool would think 'mode one' is the best way to find out a womans intentions with you.
if you have strong body language and an attractive masculine vibe, they will already know your intent, you dont need to express it.

what is attractive to a woman is you screening her and challenging her first, finding out about her, that she has to prove her worthy of sharing a bed or drink with you first
 

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BS, you can test her interest with small compliance tests. just shorten you replies and see if she continues the convo, see if she follows ur lead etc. only a fool would think 'mode one' is the best way to find out a womans intentions with you.
if you have strong body language and an attractive masculine vibe, they will already know your intent, you dont need to express it.

what is attractive to a woman is you screening her and challenging her first, finding out about her, that she has to prove her worthy of sharing a bed or drink with you first
First of all, attraction and seduction are two different things. Any good looking man with sex appeal can get girls based off attraction. Seduction is when you can persuade a woman into wanting you when she originally may not have. BIG DIFFERENCE. Having both is like a cheat code.

Did I ever say small compliance tests didn't work? They can work, but you can get played easily by a manipulative timewaster, erotic hypocrite, or wholesome pretender. These are archetypes of women that mode one nips in the but. You sadly won't know because you won't open your mind and read the book. And yea strong body language and masculine vibe is used IN CONJUNCTION with being verbally direct. What better "challenge" than to challenge her social programming? That's what mode one does. You can screen her and all that basic game bull**** while being mode one. There have been men who have gotten charged with date rape because there was no verbal communication.

You never answered my questions of whether you've had same day seductions such as this "fool" writing this post... Did body language alone ever allow you to seduce women and **** them in the same day you met them? I highly doubt it. You need verbal game and communication to make magic like that happen.

It's ok if you're not in the top 20 percent of alpha males bro. We'll still love you here on so suave, the land of the unconsciously incompetent.
 

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mode1 isn't special. It 'works', but everything 'works' if you are her type/you approach the right girl
Yea this statement is partly true. Mode one isn't going to work if you're ugly af, short, and not sexually attractive. Confidence is the biggest trait you need, which is why most men are scared to even try it. I personally got big balls and a backbone made of steel, so I gave it a try and am reaping the benefits.

There deff needs to be a level of attraction from the girl for mode one to work in your favor, but at the same time the mindset that there's a specific type of girl to approach is bull****. In this day and age, unless she is a nun or extremely religious, all women have a kinky freak side that is waiting to be unleashed. Doesn't matter what girl it is. If you think there's such a thing as "good girls" then you suffer from the madonna ***** complex and are holding yourself back. I'm not necessarily proud of it, but I've seduced married woman or those in LTR's. This is proof that women can't control they're sexual urges when someone is able to diffuse their social programming through DIRECT VERBAL GAME.
 

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yeah, by 'right girl', I didn't mean a '$lut' or whatever, because I also think there's no such thing as a good girl. I just mean a girl who thinks you are hot or whatever, basically.

Same as I have good looking friends who literally DM random girls on insta and tell them they're hot and suggest meeting up for sex, who get some success. But as with 'mode 1' it's not actually 'seduction'. It won't work on a girl who doesn't want to be seduced by you. In fact, no game will. Be it indirect 'mysterymethod' (who many here think is the best) or the complete opposite (mode1, which you think is the best)

I'm in the 'it's irrelevant' camp, so I don't care either way lol
 

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yeah, by 'right girl', I didn't mean a '$lut' or whatever, because I also think there's no such thing as a good girl. I just mean a girl who thinks you are hot or whatever, basically.

Same as I have good looking friends who literally DM random girls on insta and tell them they're hot and suggest meeting up for sex, who get some success. But as with 'mode 1' it's not actually 'seduction'. It won't work on a girl who doesn't want to be seduced by you. In fact, no game will. Be it indirect 'mysterymethod' (who many here think is the best) or the complete opposite (mode1, which you think is the best)

I'm in the 'it's irrelevant' camp, so I don't care either way lol
Text messaging and dm's are not mode one. Mode one is VERBAL communication. Meaning using your voice. I don't suggest being verbally direct with OLD, social media, or even texting (unless she opens the door for sexual talk). You can consider me indirect Mode 2 or vague and ambiguous when it comes to the phone. But mode one in person.

You're wrong though because seducing is exactly that, It is persuading a woman who doesn't want you into wanting you. When I tell a girl "You're fine af, I can just picture bending you over while you throw that phat ass back at me" and she gives me an adverse reaction, curses me out, calls me names... but I hold my confident frame and demeanor, which leads to her THEN getting turned on by me is seduction in it's purest form.
 

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You're wrong though because seducing is exactly that, It is getting a women who doesn't want you, to wanting you.
Which the community (the small percent who believe that's possible and that doesn't include me) would say is exactly what indirect game is for (Mysterymethod etc, which is the opposite of mode1)
Opening a girl who isn't attracted to you and telling her all the sexual stuff you wanna do with her doesn't end well for anyone lol
But of course if you are good looking or even if you open a girl who happens to think you look hot, then direct game can of course work
But in terms of 'getting women who don't want you, wanting you', we'll just have to agree to disagree. I've never seen anything like it with fellow gamers, and not even seen anything like it in coaches infields! Of which i've seen many. It's just the stuff of anecdotes on reddit/seddit, tbh. (''I have a friend who is 4ft tall, broke, old and covered in burns, and he bangs hot teenage models every weekend from cold approach' kinda thing etc)
 

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mode1 isn't special. It 'works', but everything 'works' if you are her type/you approach the right girl
i am definitely top 20% and i am experienced to know that you are full of cap. you cannot 'same day lay' a woman who isnt a) highly promiscious b) likely intoxicated c) low status and d) already highly physically attracted to you.
you also will never loose an attracted woman by being indirect, but you will loose 99% of them by being direct.
you also cannot 'convince' a woman to sleep with you by your game or approach as characternote has already stated. any player knows you can tell within a few seconds if you have a shot or not
 

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Mystery's indirect Vs Mode one's direct game.

Meet: Alek Novy's level concept :

"Let’s say that moves fall on a spectrum of 1 to 20…

– With 20 being you pushing your **** up against her and grinding her as you pull her hair back (or i dunno grab her ***** as you lean into her face and talk dirty)

– With 1 being something like “Leaning in a little closer than normal and/or having deeper more sultry eye contact”.

When women complain about guys making a move, it’s about the level being inappropriate.

You’re like wait, if women give no signals, but then also complain when you make a move, what are you to do? Die a virgin or just accept being a douche?

The solution is that you only make a low-level move… That’s why it seems like there’s a logical contradiction. When women say “I hate it when men make a move”… In most cases it’s “I hate he went directly to a level 7 move and kept communicating at level 7 despite me still being at level 1”.

Women give most of their signals in a proceptive manner.

That means in reaction to your moves. The most common sign a girl can and will give is accepting your advances. That’s how human mating works".

i posted a report here recently where I was going at a level above level of appropriateness. I notice this. Went back a level. Then when I felt I was beyond this level, I went back to the level that was once inappropriate. Her NOW accepting my advances, indicates this is the level we're at now.
 

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i am definitely top 20% and i am experienced to know that you are full of cap. you cannot 'same day lay' a woman who isnt a) highly promiscious b) likely intoxicated c) low status and d) already highly physically attracted to you.
you also will never loose an attracted woman by being indirect, but you will loose 99% of them by being direct.
you also cannot 'convince' a woman to sleep with you by your game or approach as characternote has already stated. any player knows you can tell within a few seconds if you have a shot or not
@SmoothSmooth Not one lie was told by me, so there is no cap. You obviously suffer from the madonna ***** complex if you truly believe that a "highly promiscuous slut" is the only type of girl that would **** on the first meet, date, whatever. You and @characternote are right about one thing, and that is that the women needs to be attracted to you to increase your chances of success from being direct. But the same can be said for being indirect. I don't buy girls drinks so I don't rely on getting them intoxicated. Low status is irrelevant lol just as how I gave you a lesson on the differences between low value guys and alpha males. The same goes for women. A women can be a loser and hot af while one can be popular, successful, independent, self loving, and UGLY.

Wrong again (for the third time today) Not only can you lose a women being indirect, you can get played, manipulated, and taken advantage of. I already told you, being indirect works at times, I don't disagree with that. But how many guys have fumbled the bag with a woman because he kept her in the dark about his true intentions? I'd say a **** load. I've had girls tell me how hot I am, and never ended up banging them being indirect. You have to be extremely skilled and manipulative to be highly successful with indirect game. That's why conventional PUA's make a living teaching all of their bull**** methods and techniques to guys. Being direct allows you to find out whether she is attracted to you without wasting time or money. Rejection or reciprocation will happen no matter what form of communication you use, but you eliminate getting played by being direct. PERIOD.

Attraction is obviously the biggest factor in BOTH indirect and direct game, but if she IS ATTRACTED TO YOU, why waste time being indirect? DROPS MIC again.

I've been indirect most of my life and have had above average success. Why would I be so adamant about mode one if it didn't work wonders for me?
 
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Which the community (the small percent who believe that's possible and that doesn't include me) would say is exactly what indirect game is for (Mysterymethod etc, which is the opposite of mode1)
Opening a girl who isn't attracted to you and telling her all the sexual stuff you wanna do with her doesn't end well for anyone lol
But of course if you are good looking or even if you open a girl who happens to think you look hot, then direct game can of course work
But in terms of 'getting women who don't want you, wanting you', we'll just have to agree to disagree. I've never seen anything like it with fellow gamers, and not even seen anything like it in coaches infields! Of which i've seen many. It's just the stuff of anecdotes on reddit/seddit, tbh. (''I have a friend who is 4ft tall, broke, old and covered in burns, and he bangs hot teenage models every weekend from cold approach' kinda thing etc)
Ok but how would you know if she's attracted to you? By guessing? lol Being mode one allows you to eliminate girls who aren't attracted to you. We all understand attraction is key but how do you know if she's attracted to you or not? Again, another example of how mode one saves time.
 

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Ok but how would you know if she's attracted to you? By guessing? lol Being mode one allows you to eliminate girls who aren't attracted to you. We all understand attraction is key but how do you know if she's attracted to you or not? Again, another example of how mode one saves time.
I don't disagree with that. I mean, I believe that I personally CAN tell nowadays within seconds of opening a girl whether I have a shot (she's attracted) or not instinctively, although that's besides the point since as I say, i'm fine with direct game. I agree that you 'eliminate girls who aren't attracted to you' as you put it and that it can save time.

(although isn't that an admission that you are no longer 'getting the girls who don't want you'?) - maybe it's semantics at this point
 

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@SmoothSmooth you aren't in the top 20 percent if you suffer from the madonna ***** complex, haven't ****ed a girl in 24 hours within meeting her, and don't know the difference between an Alpha and a high value man. You aren't in the top 20 percent if you cry about how "masculinity isn't enough alone to get women", and that women these days "want a man who is high status and has more feminine qualities". Cry me a river buddy. What alpha male would actually make those claims? I mean seriously lol. To be honest, your posts in the last 24 hours have screamed Beta with a few alpha tendencies with very little factual knowledge on what you preach, while also not even responding to half of the valid statements or questions that I have asked.
 

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I don't disagree with that. I mean, I believe that I personally CAN tell nowadays within seconds of opening a girl whether I have a shot (she's attracted) or not instinctively, although that's besides the point since as I say, i'm fine with direct game. I agree that you 'eliminate girls who aren't attracted to you' as you put it and that it can save time.

(although isn't that an admission that you are no longer 'getting the girls who don't want you'?) - maybe it's semantics at this point
Ok well be aware that these girls who you "have a feeling are attracted to you" can just be giving you that vibe to see if you will spend money on them, take them on dates, and spend non sexual time with them because they want attention.
 

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Ok well be aware that these girls who you "have a feeling are attracted to you" can just be giving you that vibe to see if you will spend money on them, take them on dates, and spend non sexual time with them because they want attention.
true, although that's no concern of mine.
I'm almost exclusively a nightgamer. I'm looking for same night lays. I'm certainly not spending a penny on these girls lol
 
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