Where to start?

[Epicwinguy]

I have no game. Seriously. Absolutely none. I am 23 and not in university. I am also very broke for the time being.

Where should I start?

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

Get clean, get healthy. Find some stuff about yourself to like. Don't dress like you are homeless. Get a nice pair of jeans and a few clean shirts. Get a haircut. Don't worry about game. Forget about it completely. Join some clubs or sports that are social and just meet people. Learn to not be a douche.

 

[Vivacity]

Put yourself above anyone and anything. Always.

Get yourself a job first, which means you are putting yourself above anything. Get some money. With that money, buy clothes, then slowly a car, and then start saving for your future...............

Then think about getting a girl.

I have seen several cases where idiots dropped out of college, moved cities/towns for the sake of love and chasing women, ended up wasting their valuable time they could have used to build their careers and ended up being useless, and eventually the girls dumping them and them losing the girls and remain brokenhearted. I do not blame girls. I only blame those idiots for their mindless outlook/attitude.

Be a catch. When you are self-reliant and not dependent on anyone, then you are golden.

 

[Epicwinguy]

Put yourself above anyone and anything. Always.

Get yourself a job first, which means you are putting yourself above anything. Get some money. With that money, buy clothes, then slowly a car, and then start saving for your future...............

Then think about getting a girl.

I have seen several cases where idiots dropped out of college, moved cities/towns for the sake of love and chasing women, ended up wasting their valuable time they could have used to build their careers and ended up being useless, and eventually the girls dumping them and them losing the girls and remain brokenhearted. I do not blame girls. I only blame those idiots for their mindless outlook/attitude.

Be a catch. When you are self-reliant and not dependent on anyone, then you are golden.

Alright dude, listen. I got a big problem here and just don't really know the quickest way to solve it. Maybe nobody on here can ****ing help me either, but here it goes.

Dude, I have no work passions. I hate food service, I hate working with my hands outside, I hate working with glitchy computers. I truly can't figure out a good career I will be good in. I like working with people actually (outside of food service) but lack charisma for sales.

I currently work fast food. I honestly don't know how I will make good enough money for the things I will need to be good with women especially in the night life scene like bars and clubs.

 

[grayclif]

Get a job any job for now. Get fit and stop drinking and smoking (if you do). You don't need a car 8f there is reliable public trasporotation.

Get a gym membership and a bike. Riding will get you cut and lifting will bring out your muscles. Drink lots of water to flush your system and it'll make your skin clear and smooth. Groom yourself properly and bathe twice daily. Eat high protein foods.

Look for a nice progressive church and join their men's group. Lots of influential connected people in these churches. Develop relationships there and parley those relationships into finding new and better jobs.

Don't look for a girl. Beat off if you must but avoid porn.

Fill your day with activities and interests. Find a great hobby. Tons of stuff on utube to help you develop your interest.

Come back to this site when you feel it's time for a girl.

 

[Epicwinguy]

Get a job any job for now. Get fit and stop drinking and smoking (if you do). You don't need a car 8f there is reliable public trasporotation.

Get a gym membership and a bike. Riding will get you cut and lifting will bring out your muscles. Drink lots of water to flush your system and it'll make your skin clear and smooth. Groom yourself properly and bathe twice daily. Eat high protein foods.

Look for a nice progressive church and join their men's group. Lots of influential connected people in these churches. Develop relationships there and parley those relationships into finding new and better jobs.

Don't look for a girl. Beat off if you must but avoid porn.

Fill your day with activities and interests. Find a great hobby. Tons of stuff on utube to help you develop your interest.

Come back to this site when you feel it's time for a girl.

Wait, why would I look for a church? They are all about saving it for marriage and sauage festing everywhere

 

[grayclif]

Wait, why would I look for a church? They are all about saving it for marriage and sauage festing everywhere

I thought I explained why. Church's aren't bad places. They do a lot of good and you don't have to internalize everything they teach. Just trying to give you some options young man so you can come out on top.

 

[Epicwinguy]

I thought I explained why. Church's aren't bad places. They do a lot of good and you don't have to internalize everything they teach. Just trying to give you some options young man so you can come out on top.

What if the guys there I meet are super pushy with their beliefs? "Oh no, you gotta stop drinking (and no nightlife) altogether" or the whole "Young marriage and kids" pressure? I don't mean to be arguing with advice. In fact I considered using church as a way to form professional connections, but then pretty quickly ran into the very guys im talking about. Very pushy with the Christian lifestyle and behavior. I live in Houston, TX, and recently moved from Thornton, CO, just in case that gives you an idea of how religion is around me.

 

[grayclif]

What if the guys there I meet are super pushy with their beliefs? "Oh no, you gotta stop drinking (and no nightlife) altogether" or the whole "Young marriage and kids" pressure? I don't mean to be arguing with advice. In fact I considered using church as a way to form professional connections, but then pretty quickly ran into the very guys im talking about. Very pushy with the Christian lifestyle and behavior. I live in Houston, TX, and recently moved from Thornton, CO, just in case that gives you an idea of how religion is around me.

Agreed and I see where your coming from i hate that extreme shtt too. That's why it'll take a bit of time to find and settle into someplace you really like. Go easy on the nightlife it's really just a waste of time.

I suggested a mens group because I always feel it's good to be around honest, fun hard working men. To learn how to speak like a man, where people listen to you and respect you. To watch and see how their women treat them based on their actions. It's just an idea.

 

[Epicwinguy]

Wait, why is nightlife a waste of time? I've never been to a club btw and rarely did any nightlife the past 3 years btw.

 

[Vivacity]

I thought I explained why. Church's aren't bad places. They do a lot of good and you don't have to internalize everything they teach. Just trying to give you some options young man so you can come out on top.

Church girls are overrated, in my opinion. They are not anything special and different from other girls. They don't reply to texts, don't take calls and put your calls to answering system, cancel/flake on dates, da da da. In the past month, I had nexted two girls (all they do is talk about Bible and God, how Christ would want to see people lead their lives, and nothing about external world and general knowledge) from Church who I met from the Bible Study meetups.

Bonus - A majority of them are plain stupid. No kidding.

 

[Epicwinguy]

Church girls are overrated, in my opinion. They are not anything special and different from other girls. They don't reply to texts, don't take calls and put your calls to answering system, cancel/flake on dates, da da da. In the past month, I had nexted two girls (all they do is talk about Bible and God, how Christ would want to see people lead their lives, and nothing about external world and general knowledge) from Church who I met from the Bible Study meetups.

Bonus - A majority of them are plain stupid. No kidding.

Do you think night life is stupid? Im definitely very interested in night clubbing and I hear for some guys sex is easy to get in a night club.

 

[nyc123]

I don't think there's anything wrong with night life for you, especially since you're interested in it.
i don't really understand the church option. lol
I also disagree with what someone said above about not thinking about game and focusing on other things.
I do agree that you should work on yourself though.

Work on yourself. improve your career, look good, work out, dress good, learn to flirt and talk to girls by talking to girls.
approach girls that you like
read about game

 

[marmel75]

I have no game. Seriously. Absolutely none. I am 23 and not in university. I am also very broke for the time being.

Where should I start?

I had no game til my mid 30s but I made up for lost time quite well...it can be done, you've got plenty of time.

 

[MrWiggles]

start by getting a job and some money. work out. feel good about yourself. then learn game

 

[wifehunter]

Take all these suggestions with a grain of salt... For instance, I'm homeless and broke (I have $5), but I have girls chasing after me. I could live in a cardboard box (wish I had one), and still have girls after me... maybe it's got something to do with my street cred! LOL!!! ...or maybe it's my confident outdoorsy alpha-ness. Game = Challenge, Confidence, and Control. My weakness is Challenge (I tend to give away too much info.), so I've been working on that lately.

Your mileage may vary.

 

[marmel75]

@marmel75 , Many spend their life that way and never change. What was the turning point for you? And... Successfully transforming from a man with no game, to now being a man with really great game, what would you most attribute that success to?

Not caring about what happened. Realizing that no matter the outcome, it was going to make me better for the next outcome. Aggressive escalation in date. Doing what you feel like doing without caring about their reaction to it. When that happens you can completely relax in date because you aren't constantly trying to analyze what is going on, and that comes across as being really confident and puts them at ease so they can relax and enjoy the interaction versus wondering what this guy is doing, his intentions, etc. My intentions are always known to her within the first half hour...it's a sexually charged interaction that is taking place between us. Women respond well to sexual conversations, actions and mindsets. Anyone who says otherwise is simply full of sh!t.

It really was like a snowball rolling downhill...at first it was slow progress, then it picked up a little bit...I remember the first time I succeeded at various things...making out on one out of every three or four dates to making out and more every date, to not remembering the last time I had a date where I wasn't kissing and making out with her within 30 minutes of meeting, to a one night stand with a random chick at the bar, same night lay on a date, to having a woman chase me and carry on a Fvck buddy relationship, to having multiple women chasing me...every new thing was like a little milestone and gave me confidence to continue, and once I hit it I kind of realized what I did to get that and then started reusing it...basically turning it into a cookie cutter operation. It won't work on every woman, but what you do is maximize your chances by playing the percentages and then on top of that getting hints into women and what they are looking for so you could be that and play that percentage...

I got to the point that I knew that in any extended interaction with any woman, I would act in a way that would be very attractive to her, regardless of what she initially thought of my looks. Whether that was enough to Fvck her, no way of knowing. Body never was an issue I am in fantastic shape, well built and muscular. I don't think I am anything special looks wise, I'd say maybe a 6 face wise, body makes up a lot for that but more than anything that is irrelevant once you are in front of them in person in most cases. If you can use your other abilities to make them feel the way they feel in the presence of a good looking hot guy(sexually attracted and wet) they will be all about it, even more so sometimes because they may never have met anyone who could do that to them that wasn't really hot...

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

OK...your first step is to stop telling yourself you can't do stuff. That will keep your life ****ty forever.

Game has almost NOTHINg to do with your car, your house, your job, or your skin color.

Game is almost entirely to do with attitude to yourself and your life.

At the moment your attitude sucks. You sound like a whiney crybaby making excuses. That is not attractive to anyone, women and future employers included.

Job first- if you like people have you thought about nursing, the police force, teaching, personal instructor, lot any of the dozen careers that involve working with people and not in sales.

Self-improvement. Lots of guys on here talk about going to the gym, lifting weights and stuff. It is good advice. Gyms are expensive, but fitness isn't. The main benefit of this stuff is not because it makes you look better, although that doesn't hurt.
The main benefit is you feel better about yourself. The better you feel about yourself, the more confident you feel, the more confident you are, the more attractive you are, the more attractive you are, the more successful you will be in all areas of your life.

Confidence is about setting goals for yourself and working to achieve them.
Confidence is about believing you have value.
Confidence is about having the power to make choices about your life. I know it seems as if sometimes we don't have choices but that is bull****. Everyday I get out of bed I have made a choice. Every day I choose to have a subway instead of a burger and fries I am making a choice. Every time I stop myself from making a negative comment about myself I am making a choice.

Bad news though for a young guy like yourself. Women are not the goal. If you have a life you like and are a person you like you will get women.

There is good news, you don't have to be gorgeous, rich, young or buff to get laid a lot although all that stuff will help. I am too tall, not glamorous, rich, handsome (IMVHO), too old (46) and I only improved my game in the last year. Now I have two FWB who are desperate to **** and several others orbiting who are also keen. One of them also wants to be my sex slave. I am not bragging (much) I am just pointing out what is possible. I didnt get buff or rich or anything or get plastic surgery. I changed how I looked at myself.

I started to like myself, I started to realise even if I am not handsome SFW, I can still be sexy. I also let myself be more sexual with women, holding eye contact and touching more. I also learned that having the power to say no to women and letting them know they can leave any time they want will not bother me that much, put me in control and gave me the choices.

TLR. Women don't like losers. Learn to like yourself. Take control of your life, one small choice at a time.

Be confident. Make eye contact. Touch more.

Good luck

 

[MrWood]

I started to realise even if I am not handsome SFW, I can still be sexy.

this is the posture I adopted a few years ago, and serves me, and my women very well

 

[ohrein]

Seems like people covered most of it already. I'd add on the career front that not everyone has a clear cut idea of what they want to do OR it will change in the future. In highschool I had one goal which I abandoned for another goal which I continued for 8 years. At 26 I changed my goal again and THEN went to university. That goal was shelved to hobby status due to family circumstances but is still simmering.

You've done well starting with what you like, interacting with people. Now you just need to explore further. At your age without any idea of the future, you just need a job for now. It sucks but you need the cash to live healthy and happy. Just gotta remind yourself it's a stepping stone for now.

I love that when people come here now looking for "game" that this community has a fairly standard reply of "that's not what you really want!". You want to be the best you! Here's how.