"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Where do you draw the line between wanting the best for your partner and trying to change her?

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For example you want your fiancee to stop smoking or enter therapy for her depression when you get married and she agrees. On one hand marriage is about growing to be a better person but on the other hand people say don't marry potential. So where do you draw the line?
 
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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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The only time people change is when THEY want to.... not when YOU want them to. Date one without the issues you don't like. Don't wait for one to change, hope she will AFTER the wedding, AFTER she get's lung cancer, AFTER is like someday. Someday never seems to come
 

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You won't change her. If her friend(s) decide to quit, she might. If someone she knows has health issues from smoking, she might. If you don't want a smoker, find a gal who isn't.
I told my ex after she started again, not to expect me to carry her Oxygen tank for her later in life. Like my older cousin has from smoking. Didn't faze her.
 

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For example you want your fiancee to stop smoking or enter therapy for her depression when you get married and she agrees. On one hand marriage is about growing to be a better person but on the other hand people say don't marry potential. So where do you draw the line?
You chose to keep this woman with all her defects intact. You must now live with those defects.

If you didn't want a depressed chain smoker, then you should have chosen a different woman who meets your high standards. If you plan on marrying, then you SHOULD have very high standards. If you don't, then you end up in situations like this.
 

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Yea, isn't it Rollo that said you don't build a good relationship, you buy it. Meaning, don't plan on changing your partner.

I think people can change - I have changed. But they have to want it, as someone said above. So be a person that is trying to improve yourself, and attract someone who is likewise always trying to improve herself. Then you can grow together.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Women will change for whomever they love. Science says that It takes approximately sixty days to replace an old habit with a new one.


Basically, Set boundaries and learn to love enforcing them because it will happen often.
 

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Women will change for whomever they love. Science says that It takes approximately sixty days to replace an old habit with a new one.


Basically, Set boundaries and learn to love enforcing them because it will happen often.
Wishfull thinking. Women's "love" is based on admiration and respect. Women love pragmatically and are
not capable of unconditional love towards a man.

Sure, you can influence her behaviour but you're never going to fundamentally change anyone. If she's a depressive smoker how can I change that by setting boundaries.

Only she can quit her addictions on her own. To try and get involved with changing someone's addictions will lead you straight to insanity. Co-dependency can suck you right in and suck the life out of you. And then when they get better.......they'll probably feel a kind of condescension toward you....the burden of a favor owed.....and will probably respect you less for ignoring your own path.....for to "help" anyone with addictions you're going to get pulled off your own path....

She must overcome her own depression by taking the appropriate action every day. Is she capable? Probably not.

better to throw that fishy back into the toxic waters from wence she came. Plenty of fish in the sea as the old saying goes.....

Why have cotton when you can have silk...

 

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Wishfull thinking. Women's "love" is based on admiration and respect. Women love pragmatically and are
not capable of unconditional love towards a man.

Sure, you can influence her behaviour but you're never going to fundamentally change anyone. If she's a depressive smoker how can I change that by setting boundaries.

Only she can quit her addictions on her own. To try and get involved with changing someone's addictions will lead you straight to insanity. Co-dependency can suck you right in and suck the life out of you. And then when they get better.......they'll probably feel a kind of condescension toward you....the burden of a favor owed.....and will probably respect you less for ignoring your own path.....for to "help" anyone with addictions you're going to get pulled off your own path....

She must overcome her own depression by taking the appropriate action every day. Is she capable? Probably not.

better to throw that fishy back into the toxic waters from wence she came. Plenty of fish in the sea as the old saying goes.....

Why have cotton when you can have silk...


I understand what you mean. Everyone has their core personality traits. traits that can't be changed. What I mean is once he has found a female with decent enough core traits then the rest of her can be molded to what ever he desires. Feel me?

-Jaimee
 

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Hello,

For example you want your fiancee to stop smoking or enter therapy for her depression when you get married and she agrees. On one hand marriage is about growing to be a better person but on the other hand people say don't marry potential. So where do you draw the line?
Ever heard of a guy named Anti-Dump? Search for this posts on here, he says that you should BUY a relationship, not BUILD one. He doesn't mean "buy" literally, what he's referring to is how you would go to a car lot and purchase (buy) a car that's already assembled the way you want it, rather than buying a car that you will have to take home and "build" to be what you want it to be.

I'm not a huge religious person, but the Bible says that he that FINDS a good wife, finds a good thing. The keyword is FIND, which means when you find her you won't have to do too much to change her. She will pretty much be what you need her to be out of the package.

Now, women can change though. You can marry a nice 150lb, long haired, HB 7...who within 5 years might turn into a 250lb, bald head (after she cuts all her hair off), loud mouth, nag.

To be honest with you, marriage is very outdated and doesn't fit in with today's new dating/relationship market. Marriage died in Generation X.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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